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| Killer John Member i love sucking balls scenes 216 Posts 4/13 |  Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 6:41AMFeminist Porn Activist means what? i heard feminist, i heard porn activist, but what's the meaning of this new word is Feminist Porn Activist. [Link] |
Gore Gore Girl  Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 7:17AM [Link] |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 7:33AM 1) TV networks assume their viewers are misinformed idiots. 2) They spew a lot of nonsense. 3) Their viewers are misinformed. 4) Repeat cycle. Moreover, I'm curious. So it doesn't seem pointless to me. It seems to me the definition would need to encompass Annie Sprinkle, Andrea Dworkin, and people with more nuanced views. So you would need to cast a pretty wide net. Having done that, you might capture Gloria Steinem in your net, because decades ago she did 'undercover' reporting from a Playboy club. But I don't think when you use the term, you mean someone like her. [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 7:35AM [Link] |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 7:49AM Moreover, like I said, I'm curious. I've often found that trying to define what you mean by something is very helpful, and that once you have a definition, it can take you to surprising places. To give one example: 'Time' is a very difficult thing to define. Albert Einstein essentially said, 'Time is what clocks measure.' This allowed him to think about time mechanically, and physicists have lots of tools at their disposal for thinking about mechanics. At that point, a door opened to an entirely new conception not just of time, but of space. Ultimately we gained an understanding of the Universe that is (if you really consider the implications of the Inflationary Big Bang) FAR more revolutionary than what Copernicus proposed. I know that the implications of defining 'Feminist Porn Activist' won't be as huge as the implications of defining 'time'. But I consider definitions foundational to careful thinking. So, if it doesn't seem pointless to you: Of the three women I mentioned (Sprinkle, Dworkin, and Steinem), which if any of them would you consider feminist porn activists? Why (not)? Edited to change "even more revolutionary" to "FAR more revolutionary". Edited by - cumminglinguist on 7/23/2014 7:52:29 AM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 8:17AM All three of those women are feminist porn activists, but fighting for different things in different ways. They all identify as feminist, and are all taking action regarding something to do with porn. You can identify different feminist activist approaches - in simplified form, antiporn (believes all porn is violent and woman-hating and should be ended - see Andrea Dworkin, Robert Jensen, and Gail Dines); sex radical (porn critical but sex positive; recognizes that sexuality exists within oppressive structures but believes agency, pleasure, and change are possible); anti-censorship (pretty much what it says - censorship is bad for women and other marginalized groups and so all censorship is bad). That's a really minimal explanation (you could identify the differences between Dworkin and Dines, for example), and I obviously do not think antiporn feminism is good for women, but there you have it. :) [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 8:20AM [Link] |
| Zoiper2009 Deactivated User 575 Posts 3/14 | Posted - Jul 24 2014 : 2:38AM porn movie, appropriately entitled "Educating Nina", in 1984, and has been an active member of the porn industry in the 30 years since that time. [Link] |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Jul 24 2014 : 7:29PM From wikipedia:The word "feminist" didn't exist in Sojourner Truth's day. I don't know what identity groups existed before the Civil War, but I wouldn't be surprised if she thought of herself as a "Freeman" first, an "abolitionist" second, and a "woman's rights activist" third. But Ain't She a Feminist? But it's not just history. Does self-proclaimed identity really tell us much beyond how we should talk about a person if we want to be polite? Let's take Chelsea Manning as an example. She clearly wants to be referred to using female pronouns, and I'm happy to do so. She is clearly an activist, and right now, she is working for the right of self-identified female prisoners to be housed in female prisons. Let's for a second remember that she is not allowed to use the internet, so we can be pretty sure she isn't reading this. So let's forget our manners for one second. Is Chelsea Manning a feminist prison activist? Might she actually be advocating for the rights of a group of people who self-identify as female, but from the outside may represent something on the boundaries of male and female. Moreover, if she were to talk openly with her in a private discussion, isn't it possible that even on the inside she feels like a person living in a tense place between male and female, who has decided to resolve that tension by identifying as female. Chelsea Manning is an extreme case, but there are always tensions in human life. Differences between how we perceive ourselves, and how others perceive us. Our self-perceptions have all the limits inherent in subjectivity, including our ability to confuse our hopes and dreams for ourselves with reality. On the other hand, I get "porn activist". It's about concrete behaviors that a person does or does not do in the world. [Link] |
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