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Redish All-Star Supporter
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Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine
4076 Posts
12/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 1:44PM
Possible breach in security of Firefox 1.0.3

Thought I would mention to all, especially us new converts to the True Way of browsing.

Hurrab
Member

Denmark, EU
256 Posts
3/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 1:47PM
You mean Mosaic, right?
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - May 10 2005 : 1:55PM
half of the members of this board were not even born then
Kperv
The Cuddler

*struck
(She slipped)

1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 10 2005 : 2:34PM
Lynx forever!!!
jrv
Senior Member

1266 Posts
2/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 2:55PM
Am I the only one to still use telnet?
 
Hurrab
Member

Denmark, EU
256 Posts
3/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 2:59PM
I was going to mention Lynx, but I wasn't sure how to spell it and I was to lazy to look it up
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 3:01PM
The second e-mail I ever sent Mrs.C was about this great new thing I had just found called "Lynx", and how you could use it to go around this cool new part of the internet called The World Wide Web.

+1 Lynx

-T.C.

PL
Senior Member

God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer
1726 Posts
10/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 3:25PM
I read about this on Yahoo yesterday.
Kperv
The Cuddler

*struck
(She slipped)

1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 10 2005 : 3:46PM
I had no idea you were such and old hand at this here Internet thang. Cool. <<<<[[[[
Jacco All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

"liable to deprave and corrupt"
2673 Posts
5/04
Posted - May 10 2005 : 4:08PM
The Mozilla website made a temporay fix by renaming their update websites and you should change the setting for 'allow websites to install software' to no, if you haven't done so already. It's under Web Features in the preferences.

Jacco

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - May 10 2005 : 4:25PM
I love it. "Don't use internet explorer, it's not secure! um, neither is ours."
Redish All-Star Supporter
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Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine
4076 Posts
12/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 4:43PM
That's true oatmeal, but it also wouldn't surprise me if Microsuck didn't have a couple of people going over FF to find holes as well.
PL
Senior Member

God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer
1726 Posts
10/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 5:03PM
I thought I read somewhere about MS looking into trying to get the programmers who coded FF to work for MS... Maybe I'm wrong... Regardless, ok lets point out the one flaw in FF, now lets see how many you can point out in IE
jrv
Senior Member

1266 Posts
2/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 5:16PM
FF actually is more secure but not substantially since Microsoft started working on IE again. The biggest security issue is that IE has always had an insecure approach to things like Zones and ActiveX which MS has had hard time undoing. FF uses those too but depends on them less.

The main security advantage to FF is time-to-fix. MS at best takes two weeks in an emergency; several months is more common for this sort of thing. From the sound of it this should be a quick fix and there are probably various proposed patches available on the developer mailing lists if you're brave.

The biggest reason to use FF at this point is features. It's just nice to have tools like Image Zoom, Scrapbook, ForecastFox, Adblock, Spellbound, etc.

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 7:21PM
Mrs.C and I met online back when that was so unusual (probably because back then there were so few women online) it wasn't even considered dorky.

Mrs.C built her first website blind on a crippled old 386 she had (connection too slow, computer too fucked up to show images), then would rush into work early to see if the tags had laid out the page the way she wanted. IIRC, this was around Mosaic .9. She thought I was a spoiled brat because I had an 8100 tricked out with a Radius VideoVision card (as an offline system) and still had the nerve to complain my client (of the moment) was an asshole and an idiot. After 10 or so years of having clients of her own, she doesn't think I'm a spoiled brat. (Of course now she thinks I'm an asshole and an idiot.)

-T.C.

 
PL
Senior Member

God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer
1726 Posts
10/03
Posted - May 10 2005 : 8:48PM
And don't forget about tabbed browsing... Great feature there too!

( I know you said etc. but I had to mention it as I love the option to browse using tabs )

1on1Fan
Member

273 Posts
8/03
Posted - May 11 2005 : 3:07PM
I don't use IE because it has ActiveX, that thing or some other IE security hole allows free spyware access.
After i did switch to the Firefox, my PC has been totally spyware free.

These FF holes are not good, but i still use it.
I just love Tabs, Pop-up blocker and Adblock(extension).

PL
Senior Member

God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer
1726 Posts
10/03
Posted - May 12 2005 : 10:10PM
Seems the FireFox crew is fast. New 1.0.4 was released today, or maybe it was late last night.... Either way, FF is still on top as far as browsers are concerned (well in my book anyway )
Jacco All-Star Supporter
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"liable to deprave and corrupt"
2673 Posts
5/04
Posted - May 12 2005 : 11:27PM
And if you try to go to one of the official Mozilla sites with 1.0.3 it tells you to upgrade! No installing extensions or new themes before upgrading, very good since one of the bugs fixed had to do with software installation from websites.

Jacco

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 13 2005 : 12:14AM
firefox has twice as many critical updates as IE over the last couple of months. that may be good or bad but none of us are in a position to really know-but what drives me nuts is that it makes you download a full-install of the browser for incremental updates. it's not a big deal on broadband but the tendency for it to break your old extensions is a major PITA and i won't use their installers anymore, but it's like pheonix all over again using .zips. i use it and it's better out of the box than ie, but noticably and substantially slower than opera and people who just want the tabs would probably be better off with one of the IE shells.

what's so funny about this annoying feature is it's become a huge part of their PR-campaign. think about it--they love telling you how many people have downloaded firefox. too bad that number is about 4-6x too high if people have to download a new copy just to be secure every few weeks and often for more than one computer. while it may be totally innocent, it's really assuming you're stupid to use numbers so shamelessly inflated and deceptive.

maquiavelli
Member

90 Posts
4/05
Posted - May 13 2005 : 2:22AM
When I first started using the Internet I used Netscape and IE. Nowadays, I mainly use IE. I have the google pop blocker and many others tools to keep my system spyware free, like:

1. spybot
2. ad-ware
3. bazooka
4. Super Windows task manager
5. My norton anti-virus and firewall of course

Do I still need to try out Firefox?

If so, I have some questions for ya:

1. How long have the Firefox software been out ?
2. Can I download Firefox into my system without deleting IE off my computer?

Thank you so much guys.

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 13 2005 : 2:54AM
definetly try it-it won't conflict with IE or require you to do anything to it.
it's had a few incarnations with different names in the past, but it's been firefox for close to two years i'm guessing. it's mature and stable enough and isn't complicated to set up, don't worry about that. it's worth seeing whether you like it-it's not a perfect browser but there isn't one of those out there.
1on1Fan
Member

273 Posts
8/03
Posted - May 13 2005 : 6:20AM
True, but it's better fix problems soon as possible.
and not like Microsoft does, they give updates once every month i think.
And they really don't even fix all IE holes, just look this
Secunia page IE 6.x
19 open holes, and only 3 are from 2005.
13 open holes are from 2004 and 3 from 2003.

I think Mozilla is very fast with Firefox, there are some
still open security holes in Firefox 1.x
But still that 4 open holes and Less critical sounds much better than IE:s 19 holes and Highly critical.

And for me downloading full installer once or twice a month is not bad, my internet connection is pretty fast.

ps: but with this PC, that installer freezes my PC little bit, but i have then time to drink coffee, or even make it:)
it just that Recommended for FF is 500MHz or more, my PC is 400MHz.
browser works fine, it just that installer:)

Edited by - 1on1Fan on 5/13/2005 6:37:08 AM

1on1Fan
Member

273 Posts
8/03
Posted - May 13 2005 : 6:32AM
Don't even try to delete IE, if you do, it's possible that after that your Computer is Blue screen evil.

Just download and install Firefox.

maquiavelli
Member

90 Posts
4/05
Posted - May 13 2005 : 4:04PM
Ok fellas, last night I downloaded Firefox 1.04 I think correct me if im wrong but yeah I downloaded the latest version and so far so good. It seems like my internet has gotten a bit faster.
I haven't downloaded any extensions as of now. What are the good/solid extensions out there you guys used the most? and what are they good for?

Thank you so much.

 
Redish All-Star Supporter
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Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine
4076 Posts
12/03
Posted - May 13 2005 : 4:18PM
Adblock, Tabbrowser Preferences, Chatzilla.

And yes, 1.0.4 is the latest.

Welcome to the club.

Jacco All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

"liable to deprave and corrupt"
2673 Posts
5/04
Posted - May 13 2005 : 8:09PM
The extensions I use on my private profile:

Adblock 0.5.2.039
CookieCuller 1.2.0
Diggler 0.9
Disable Targets For Downloads 0.9
downTHEMall! 0.9.4
Flashblock 1.3.1
Install New Theme 0.5
LinkChecker 0.1.2
Linky 2.6.0
ListZilla 0.5.1
Nuke Anything 0.2
PrefButtons 0.3.2
Preferential 0.7
Sage 1.3.2
Sort Extensions 1.0
Statusbar Clock 1.6.4
Tab Mix 0.2.1

The extensions for my work profile:

ColorZilla 0.8.2
Diggler 0.9
Disable Targets For Downloads 0.9
Flashblock 1.3.1
Google Pagerank Status 0.9.4
LinkChecker 0.1.2
Linky 2.6.0
ListZilla 0.5.1
Live HTTP Headers 0.10
Nuke Anything 0.2
PrefButtons 0.3.2
Sort Extensions 1.0
Statusbar Clock 1.6.4
Tab Mix 0.2
Web Developer 0.9.3
Word Count 0.1.1

(Yep, no adblock while working, have to see my own banners after all )

Jacco

1on1Fan
Member

273 Posts
8/03
Posted - May 17 2005 : 6:47AM
Currently i use these FF Extensions:
Adblock
PDF Download
DictionarySearch

I have only used DictionarySearch 2 days, and i did find out that you can use that with AVfantasy screenshots:
AVfantasy.com - screenshots.

Edited by - 1on1Fan on 5/17/2005 6:48:27 AM

Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - May 17 2005 : 7:40PM
For anyone who uses iafd, there is a plugin to add iafd to the Mozilla searchbar here. It appears to work faster than the search directly on the iafd site.
Jacco All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

"liable to deprave and corrupt"
2673 Posts
5/04
Posted - May 17 2005 : 9:25PM
Nice one, Bill, and you're right it seems a lot faster.

Jacco

squirtfan1
Member

Flower
435 Posts
8/04
Posted - May 18 2005 : 3:45AM
Thanks Bill. You just made my browser much better.
jrv
Senior Member

1266 Posts
2/03
Posted - May 18 2005 : 7:14PM
The noscript extension looks interesting. It can block on all web sites except those you whitelist.
jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 21 2005 : 1:57AM
jacco, i think adblock and flashblock might be a little redundant assuming you simply don't want to see flash stuff. i'd keep adblock and just add *swf as a wildcard. which filterset are you using in adblock? i'm also not sure preferential does anything about:config doesn't do and i found the way it refreshes and asks for confirmation.

the less extensions you can get away with, the better ff runs.

btw, you might wanna check out "remove it permanently" for your private profile--it's kinda between nuke anything and adblock.

Leyden
Senior Member

The people have spoken. I'm a nitpicking dick. Woo!
8751 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 21 2005 : 2:18AM
Extensions I have installed:

Disable Targets For Downloads 0.9
FoxyTunes 1.1
Web Developer 0.9.3

Jacco All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

"liable to deprave and corrupt"
2673 Posts
5/04
Posted - May 21 2005 : 9:53AM
There are a few sites with flash I want to see, not many, but enough not to block all *.swf with adblock.
I am using Pierceive's rules, with some of my own added.

Preferential was one I mostly used in the beginning, because of the comments and grouping of the prefs, but I tend to use about:config more and more lately, so maybe that one will go in my next cleanup.
Once in a while I just copy my bookmarks and passwords and start with a fresh profile and decide what extensions can stay and which ones have to go. Features get added to FF, extensions get abandoned, merged, split, and it is always fun to browse to the extensions lists and see what silly things people can come up with.

I have seen RIP, have you used it? I was wondering if it was not going to create a bigger and bigger list while using it, the adblock rules I use have lots of wildcard, so the file stays at a reasonable size.

And I am not so bad, I have seen people with 50+ extensions...

Jacco

 
Joey Starr
Senior Member

Still wanking after all these years.
8082 Posts
10/00
Posted - May 21 2005 : 10:15AM
I only use Firefox as a backup browser when a site won't work with Safari (like SG Video's website). I'm only at 1.0.2 for Macintosh, maybe I should upgrade to the latest version...
Joey Starr
Senior Member

Still wanking after all these years.
8082 Posts
10/00
Posted - May 21 2005 : 10:20AM
OK just updated Firefox to 1.0.4, seems to be way faster than 1.0.2.
jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 21 2005 : 10:25AM
i use exactly the same filters-i think it's called filterset.g as well.

remove it permanently is basically nuke anything that remembers what to filter--i find it really compliments adblock well, since it cleans out annoying tables, iframes, etc. much better. it's got an easy "undo" via-context menu. i've had no problems with it over the last few months and would definetly say it's worth a shot. it may even replace nuke anything on the profile you use away from the office.

50 extensions? good god. you're definetly within a reasonable amount, but not only would 50 extensions add a huge amount of code(TBE-style) but extensions are always the buggiest parts of the browser. i'd imagine they'd spend half of their time figuring out which one was breaking another one constantly. i've actually found the builds compiled for different processor-extensions speed things up a bit, why not use sse2-3 if you've got it.

maquiavelli
Member

90 Posts
4/05
Posted - May 26 2005 : 10:29PM
I started using Firefox for about 2 weeks ago and has stopped using it. My interent connection is not as fast as it used to be with Explorer.
Squinty backbone
New Member

Scotland
1 Posts
5/05
Posted - May 27 2005 : 9:22AM
Firefox is great, love the RSS extension.


Edited by - Squinty backbone on 5/27/2005 9:22:11 AM




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