Although, you say "crack whore from Arkansas" like it's a bad thing

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There is so much bullshit-talk about Eastern Europe. About car thieves, poverty only, socialist blocks only, people with not work ethics etc. It's all bullshit!

I hope you do come back for some more highly porn-charged Slavic beauties soon!

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Too much of the hooker mentality I guess.

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I dont think it makes sense to talk about prejudices concerning Euro-porn and Euro-girls. And them being just <a flexible hole> is one recurring element of that prejudice. I wish you could once be on a set with Euro-girls, or even actually fuck one - that might change your mind!

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I bet a lot of the Eastern European women showed up on time, and with no complaints, because they think working for an American company in Prague will be their ticket to America, their ticket out of Eastern Europe (is it?). If I was one of them, I'd do like they did. I've gotten the impression from some of Shameless's posts that the Ukrainian women he has signed up sometimes assume that they will soon be working in Los Angeles.

In the US, roughly what percentage of actresses fail to show up on time, or not at all? I've gotten the idea that it happens, but have no idea how often.

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As for the names of some of the girls - I may have some of them wrong so forgive me - Angelica, Sandy Sayle,Jessica Fiorentino, Sarah Blue, Sharka.....many others.

We also shot the glorious Lea Demae for the next No Holes Barred and perhaps God's most perfect creation, a girl who calls herself Dark Angel..or maybe it's Angel Dark. Either way, she's a perfect specimen of female. I looked very hard for flaws and came up empty. She graces the cover of Ass Cleavage 3.

To an unnattached male with some disposable income Prague is indeed close to paradise. To a married man like myself who lives vicariously through the penis of others, it's still a pretty awesome place.

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As far as Eastern European girls hoping to come work in LA, like the song says "I wish they all could be California girls" :) There is always plenty of work here for them if they do come. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Monica Sweetheart has made enough money here to BUY eastern Europe.

Quaze

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If market forces allowed domestically produced porn to pay women the equivellent of 1-2 months professional wages (let's say $4k-$8K) per scene, I'm sure both the physical caliber and reliablity of the women would rise commensurately. It seems unlikely this will happen any time soon.

"Flaking" is endemic in the business, and prospect of being left hanging by talent lurks on nearly every porn set. When I used to shoot magazine lay outs I never got stood up, but even still I always felt a sense of relief when the model actually showed up.

Conversly, nearly every query I get for my current project stresses words like "reliable" and "amenable". Can you imagine a "ligit" actress assuring the producer that if selected for a role she would actually show up?

-T.C.

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This could be simply cultural; maybe Prague is simply more reserved than I’m used to. Maybe there’s more “go with the flow” and less initiative: they’re just waiting to be told what position is next. Language could be an issue. And maybe more of the girls finding their way to porn are hardened prostitutes.

There are plenty of girls in US porn that can’t emote and there are certainly many Eastern girls who seem to get into their scene (Quaze says he shot Jessica Fiorentino, and she usually gets into it – I’ll especially look forward to that scene). But for whatever reason the Eastern girls seem more prone to “working their way down the checklist of circus acts”.

To name names, two girls who are/were quite popular but seem to usually lack expressiveness are Danielle Rush and Julie Silver. They seem(ed) able to perform with ease what acts the scene calls for but never really seem to get into it or get off on it. They never fail to perform but never seem to get excited.

“flexible hole” is really a jab at fans, not the girls: a lot of fans seem to hold in high on their lists whoever has the most flexible holes, without having any other fantasy to fulfill. It’s a little shallow if the only reason you can name for having a girl as your favorite is that she did three double anals in a scene last week.

Shooting in Prague is a good thing and I have no problem there – Quaze should be able to avoid many of the disfigurements that plague the US girls. But I think extra effort may be needed to get the girl to be expressive in scenes. Smile at the guy in the scene, be a little playful: it’s about acting and not merely going through the paces.

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Edited by - Frigo on 11/15/2003 3:32:50 AM

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Edited by - Shameless on 11/15/2003 11:19:27 AM

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The Czech Republic, Poland and Hungary will join the EU pretty soon - and their economy is rising much faster than ours here in Germany, for example. Out in the rural parts of the country, people still don't have much - but it's completely different in the big cities. Prague, for example, is a pulsating metropolis (as well as Budapest) and doesn't have to hide behind cities like Berlin or Paris.

So, I would say, the girls LIKE to live in Prague or the Czech Republic in general and they don't necessarily think (or want) that their porn shoot for a US company is their ticket to America. As far as I know, they have normal lifes, normal jobs & many even have boyfriends who don't know about what their girls are doing. They just do porn to get some extra money.

Oh - and something else... I don't want to offend anybody in here, but I think (too) many American's think that people from Europe (especially Eastern Europe) would like to live in the US. Well, for me I can say I would never ever want to live in the USA - and many people I know don't as well. What do I find in the USA when I move there? A crazy Texas Cowboy who thinks he is the king of the world, high unemployment rates, high crime rates and the rate, how many people are killed by guns per year in the USA should be in the Guiness Book of Records (yes, I have seen Bowling for Columbine *hehe*). And I won't even mention the death row or laws in some states which say that certain sexual positions are forbidden - and you say America is a free country!? So, it's a fairytale, that so many people would like to live in America if they could, in my opinion.

And now I stop typing, b4 I get even more political ;-)

Greetz

maniac481

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Edited by - jrv on 11/16/2003 2:22:26 AM

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In regards to Maniac's post above, were you able to find out how many of the actresses you worked with were originally from Prague, or from the Czech countryside, or from other parts of Eastern Europe? Could you tell if they were doing porn films on a full time basis, or just part-time, and keeping this hidden from family or boyfriends, etc? Or was the lack of English on their part just too much of an obstacle to overcome, to have any sort of meaningful conversation?

Maniac, I was hoping that someone who works in the porn industry, either in Europe or the US, would have posted by now to refute what I said in my post yesterday, but I see I will have to wait some more. An insider like this would have a better picture of what is going on, compared to either you or myself.

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Most of the girls were from Czech. Some I gather opted for Slovakian nationality during that whole "fall of communism" thing and lived in Slovakia but made the journey.

I understand that not everyone in the world wants to live in the U.S. but many do DESPITE the rampant gun violence, poverty and unemployment. Personally I'd rather be poor or unemployed here than any other place on earth. Also it's my opinion that Michael Moore should move to Canada. I'll swap passports with him.

As for America being a land led by a Texas cowboy, when terrorists fly airplanes into YOUR buildings, you might be wishing you had a Texas cowboy in your corner. Just my opinion of course.

I'm gonna stop now before I get too political too :)

Back to porn. Something we can all agree on.

Quaze

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Work ethics, once people here know that they are payed good+in time+and in cash+and in $$$$ (as opposed to Hryvnias or Rubles) are really great - not only in porn.
I cannot immagine how it is even possible to work under conditions when 50% of your actresses flake...not talking about all those fake boobs, large tattoos, non-do-acts etc.

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Edited by - Mike Quasar on 11/16/2003 1:26:29 AM

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You're about as misinformed about the U.S. as most of the U.S. is about Europe.

Most European's I've talked to that the come here say they love it. About the only thing they don't like is the people, because of the culture clash and arrogance of Americans.

Their is a great deal more freedom in America than in many European nations barring a few notable exceptions. Not to mention bringing up stupid things like sex laws is pretty lame given that most European nations have laws just as stupid, if not stupider, regarding taxation and regulation of taxation and commerce.

Some benefits in America, that often don't exist in Europe. No need to carry papers to go from one state to the next. Easy to obtain a job without having to be over-educated for a position. Can wander America at any time of the day or night and always find a store open in just about any part of the country. Cheap material goods easily accessible by anyone. And Hollywood baby, hollywood. This is where all the big budget films find financing. Alot of love about America.

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Something that really pisses me off here is, that too many people in Germany seem to have no problems paying prices that are far beyond imagination, especially for US products, like Levi's Jeans (about 120-150EUR each!!!) and even worse... A Big Mac's 2,70EUR, which is about 3,20$ at the moment! That's right, we pay 3,20 for ONE f***in' Big Mac *geez*

OK, but the other things you mentioned - I don't have to carry papers to go from one state to the next. I can even go to all EU member countries without tourist Visa's and nowadays I don't even need a traveller's passport. Prostitution is legal over here (and we don't have higher crime rates or a more alienated youth over here because of that *hehe*). You won't get arrested for every fucking thing you do, you're allowed to drink beer with 16, and when you're 18 you can buy every kind of alcohol you want.

And talking about job's. Well, our unemployment rates are not the best - but you don't have to have 2 or 3 jobs to get your family thru. You don't lose your job as easy as in the USA (if you want to fire someone you have to have reason's for it, and you can't fire him/her from one day to another). Oh, and when you break your leg, for example and you have to go to the hospital - you pay nothing over here... but sadly that will change pretty soon, I guess. Anywayz - the prices for medicine in the USA are three times higher than over here, and you have to pay everything by yourself, afaik (over here your health insurance pays a part of it). That's a scandal for me - paying so much for things you NEED.

One thing we're not as free as the USA is everything concerning guns. You have to have a fire arm license (which you only get when you're in need of a gun - for example when you're member of some shooting sport club - but afaik you don't get one, just because you want it), and even with that your identity is triple checked when you want to buy a gun and you can only buy sport weapons. You won't be able to buy MP's or something like that at all - and thanks 2 god for that. How can you sell weapons for everyone at every corner and ammunition at the supermarket? And then you're astonished about the high gun murder rate *doh*

And last but not least we don't bomb countries to "free the people" - who never asked for it. Oh, sorry - of course the Iraq has chemical and biological mass destruction weapons... which the USA couldn't show us until today. And I thought the US government learned something out of Vietnam.

OK, but now:

Greetz

maniac481

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I did not mean to imply they want to settle here permanently, or that they want to leave their home countries, all things being equal.

I am not going to get into the argument of which is a better place to live, Europe or the US. Advantages and disadvantages to both places.

In regards to where the girls are really from (assuming that if a movie is made in Prague, the girls are Czech or Slovakian), I just watched "Rocco invades Poland", which is supposed to be all about Rocco finding lovely Polish women to film. In the second scene with a blonde woman named Agnes, he asks her in English what the Polish word for 'beautiful' is. She says in good English that she doesn't know. At the very end of the scene, he asks her where is she really from. She admits that she comes from Rostov. Rocco seems fine with this.

And I did, too; I initially figured that Rostov must be in Poland. But then, I went and looked at a map, and this city is located 900 miles (about 1200 km) southeast of Warsaw. Agnes isn't Polish, she's Russian! So much for a film about lovely Polish women. At least Agnes was very good in her scene.

If someone like Rocco, who lives and works in Eastern Europe, can be fooled about where a woman is really from, what about an American company that just goes to Prague or Budapest for a couple of weeks to shoot films there.

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There are many examples of this type of thinking (new car vs. used car, people on welfare with cable TV, etc...)

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Oh , the overall joys of Eurobabes . Good luck with the releases Quasar , are these going to be all Euro versions of some current series ? You know , like Ass Cleavage 3 : Deep in the Old Country .

PS: just couldn't resist getting my oar in - the British and Italian governments supported Bush , against the wishes of most of their people .

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No, Germany invades countries in order to stay there. The last group of people who should have any right to bitch about another country's foreign policy are the Germans.

I don't how it got this ugly but it did.....but I agree. At least we have the Italians and the British on our side :)

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Hi Quaze,

could luck with the Italians. They were on our (the German) side the last time we fought a war but then they made up their minds. They are not very reliable, you know. And first of all we had to fight their war (in Africa) anyway. Ask Montgomery or Rommel what they think about Italian soldiers. Do you know the titles of the three shortest books in Europe: "Polish Honesty", "German Humor" and "Italian War Heroes".

No, honestly. Not every German agrees with the current government about the support of the US in Iraq. I for one would give my left arm for getting away with these fucking communists as soon as yesterday!

Thanks, and keep the porn from Europe coming.

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I also wonder if there is a "selection effect" here: perhaps American directors wind up casting a higher percentage of full-time prostitutes in Prague than they wind up with in the US. I'd have no idea if this is so, or if this makes any difference.

As for the girls wanting to move to the US: I would guess that the prospects in Prague don't seem so bad any more. But ten years ago it might not have seemed so risky to make a move compared with staying at home. Rocco shot some porn in East Europe at that time but I don't know of many Americans who did.

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SNP.

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As far as the series are concerned, we're gonna mix and match a little. Ass Cleavage 3 - half was shot in Prague, the rest we're shooting here. Grand Theft Anal - 4 of 6 scenes shot in Prague etc.

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I'm not inclined to lock it just yet, but let's stop the tirades about other people's governments. Nobody here can do anything about that and I'm sure most of us would rather read about the hot babes in Prague anyway.

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Dammit Quaze, didn't you get Claudia Jammson or Niki Blond? I knew I should have gone over myself!

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Edited by - Yani Z on 11/16/2003 7:41:28 PM

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I don't know what is to be gained with having this discussion here and in this way. All I see is an exchange of a lot of prejudice, based on very scattered and both too general and too personal information. The political-social-cultural situation differs greatly in Europe from country to country (and when you consider Belgium, even within countries). I have found out personally that the same is true with regards to different states in the US. Imagine my shock when I had spent 5 weeks in Hollywood doing research, and then moved on to Provo, Utah, to continue my research.

I know very little about America. Well, that is not true. Being a film historian specialized in the history of American film, I know a lot about America. But still, that is not nearly enough to even begin comparing the 'American' ways of life with the 'European' ways of life (note the inverted comma's and the plurals). When I was in different parts of America for extended periods of time, doing my research, I was still a European in America, just as Americans are still Americans when they are in Europe. There are many things I can't understand about America (as opposed to the USA). And that is fine. I am sure that there is a lot that you don't understand about Belgium.

In short, there are a lot of things said in this thread about both America(ns) and Europe(ans) that I recognize, but at least as many things that I don't recognize. For instance, contrary to Blue Sword, I have found most American people I have met, to be very friendly and not arrogant at all. In fact, in some ways, I thought they were too friendly and to open, almost childlike, in a very positive, refreshing way. I also don't recognize the difference made by Yani between social freedoms and humanity freedoms. Well, the humanity part at least, leaves me flabbergasted. Maybe that is because Yani mainly has experience with this in Eastern Europe?

Maybe it is time that this was discussed in another thread, in World News and Nonsense. Or maybe not so much discussed, as presented in the style of the "know your reviewer" thread. This could be the "know your ADT poster's country" thread. Judging from the answers most of you gave in the "what do you know about Belgium" poll, this might indeed be a good idea. A little knowledge never hurts when forming an opinion.

p.s. Bill, I am very disappointed that you made this comment:

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For example, German unemployment was 10% in September, whereas the US number was 6.0% (October). From memory I don’t think the US employment has been as high as 7.0% in many years.

My point is not to criticize but to point out that this probably comes as a surprise to foreigners observing the US angst over the economy. I myself expected to find Germany’s rate higher than the U.S. rate but was very surprised at so high as 10%.

As for guns, here’s an amusing story. Several years ago we had a foreigner (Canadian) come to work in our office for a while. He had watched all of the Hollywood movies and seemed in fear that Pablo Escobar lurked around every corner.

We did a quick survey and nobody in the office had ever been shot, or been shot at, or knew anyone who had. Indeed nobody had even heard a real gun fired except those who had served in the military (and this was an office in Texas!).

However, there are many places where you’d get the opposite answers, some no more than ten miles from that office. The US is still a fairly diverse place.

In 1990 I expect that an East Euro porn girl would have jumped at the chance to move to the US due to uncertainty at home. But now the uncertainties at home are much less and I wouldn’t expect the girls, on average, to find the risks of relocating worthwhile. They can make as much money by traveling to the US periodically, and there isn’t anything pushing them to leave home.

PS. Gun laws vary greatly from state to state, and it’s still the common for kids in rural farming or ranching areas to learn to shoot Armadillos and other varmits at a young age; it’s considered job training.

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