I thought the looooooong discussion with Alek James Hidell about his Slap Happy series made everybody display his thoughts in every little detail. I guess the discussion was closed for that reason. How about letting everybody watch what he wants, not forcing people to watch what they don't like and everybody is happy instead of repeating the whole thread ?

Just an idea :)

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I hope you didn't misinterprete my post above as me not caring about female feelings. I just thought that after having discussed this topic for so long that the discussion was finally closed because nobody could add any more new essential opinions repeating the whole thread wasn't the best idea. Sure - a new member doesn't necessarily know about that thread, but the people who do could tell him to read it like lunacy (I guess it was her ?) did a little while ago when I had asked a question concerning a topic that had already been talked about on the board.

There'll always be such videos, and imagine starting a new thread everytime someone wonders if the vid he just saw can be considered humiliating .
Many females consider being bukkake'd as humiliation just as many feel about being slapped or gagged. Now we could start discussing which is more humiliating, and we could start wondering why board members obviously don't have so many problems with the bukkake-DVDs which even get good ratings in the review-section, although some females I know don't make a difference between a Bukkake-vid and a gagging vid. Many women I know feel humiliated by doing or watching anal. So can we say Buttman doesn't care about female's feelings because he's humiliating them by doing to them what many women don't like ?
Discussions about morale in porn tend to become a never-ending story simply because they're pointless since everybody's got his own special barriers he sets for himself.

Wow... That post became much longer again than I had intended. Forgive me, DB .
That's especially ironic since after re-reading I found that the most important thing I wanted to say was the first sentence .

CU

Spesedy

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"Many females consider being bukkake'd as humiliation just as many feel about being slapped or gagged. Now we could start discussing which is more humiliating, and we could start wondering why board members obviously don't have so many problems with the bukkake-DVDs which even get good ratings in the review-section"

Good question, and I'd have to agree here, because to me anyway, it's all humiliation related,
from facials, bukkake, to choke & puke. What's next?

take care......DB

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Sometimes I put my electric toothbrush..cleaning my tongue, to far in by accident..and I puke.

I can literally tell you, I dispise this feeling.

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thanks for the positive critics about my post. I'm not used to that

Of course I've got my own preferences, and there are things in porn I like and dislike a lot. I know other peoples' preferences are different, and how could I say that the things they are watching is disgusting and humiliating while the things I like aren't ?
Just like you said you couldn't imagine someone not considering making someone puke humiliating, most people who think Bukkakes are humiliating can't imagine someone not considering Bukkakes humiliating. On the other hand some people who consider one of these humiliating don't necessarily find the other humiliating as well.
So where's the border ? Who wants to decide that ?
Where do we get if anybody could remove everything from the market he thinks is deeply disgusting ?

We get to become like a government who removes gay-DVDs, peeing-DVDs, fisting-DVDs and everything else it finds to be disgusting. Now there are lots of people who think that's a shame and wonder how someone thinks he's able to decide that for them. Now think about removing Gag-Factor, Slap Happy and DVDs alike from the market because you and
many others think they're disgusting. There'll be lots of people again who think it's a shame and that nobody should decide that for them. You would have become like the government so many people here criticize for being like that. Now someone is certainly going to start the 'But the one thing is lots worse than the other.' discussion for the thousandth time based on their own preferences again. In fact it's exactly the same.

So who want's to define the borders ? Who want's to decide who's right ? It's not possible, it'll never be fair and it'll never be tolerant.

That's why I think discussions about morale in the porn-world (and not only there, but especially) are pointless.

Edited by - spesedy on Jan 31 2001

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I want men being gagged and tortured too in those type of series..and they don't have to be gay.

Edited by - sonic on Jan 31 2001

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True, especially if our government decides to step in and decide for all of us. While it remains to be seen what will happen when Mr. Ashcroft takes over the job of Attorney General, it is far from unimaginable that not only will gagging series be banned, but much more. Mr. Ashcroft,
for those of you who don't know, is a Pentacostal religious zealot. The recent trend in the treatment of females only serves to validate claims by many in this country that pornography in general leads to violence towards women. And although I am against banning, don't get me wrong, I can't help but wonder if maybe they are right!
So, you see this is VERY important and hardly pointless, but perhaps people not living in this country (and even some that are) just assume that the good old USA will always furnish their porn, at good prices, too.
No one wants to see censorship of any kind - but the fact is, if the porn community doesn't start some kind of self-contol, you can bet your ass the government will do it for us.

Quote Sonic: "You know, in those gag titles or slap titles..I want vice versa..I wanna see the male mother fuckers get it too..gagged and brutally fucked in the ass. I want them to choke on cum too! Why is it just a one way standard?"

Now Sonic, that wouldn't be very nice, I don't want to see anybody abused, for me that just isn't erotic. And as porn is made almost exclusively for men, not likely to happen anyway.
However, as the owner of a much underused strap-on, I would like to see more guys getting fucked in the ass, but only if they're enjoying it, as this is key to my pleasure as well.

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Nobody is saying that all porn is degrading toward women.

There's a big difference between a slap on the ass and writing cunt on a girls face in feces.

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Of course there's a difference. These are two totally different things which you are rating using your own preferences. I know enough women who say 'OK... Slapping on the ass is physical violence. That shouldn't be seen in porn.', but when asked about that 'cunt'-thing they said 'Well, who cares about that ? Smearing some word on these girls' foreheads doesn't harm them at all.'

Now who of you is right ? If you say there should be some control or self-control, and you'd remove the videos with the 'cunt'-smearing from the market, because it's more degrading than ass slapping, and the other women I talked with removed the videos with ass-slapping because they think it's more degrading than the 'smearing'-thing, the effect was, that both types of videos would vanish from the market.

I wonder if this was the desired effect.

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Well, you are just wrong here spesedy. Yes, these types have been around a long time, but only in very small numbers, and enjoyed by a tiny percentage of porn viewers. There very definitely is a trend and proliferation of these types of degrading scenes, anyone in the porn biz will tell you that.
Although I haven't been watching porn as long as you have, even I can see the difference, and have taken to buying the older stuff, it's more to my liking.
The whole point to my post however, is that in the end it's not going to matter what I think, or what anyone else thinks - it's what Mr. Ashcroft thinks, and it's important to realize how he thinks. This is something that does not seem to be getting through. Believe me, I hate the thought of censuring anything, and maybe nothing will happen, but to just put our head in the sand and say "if you don't like it, don't watch it", etc. is missing the point completely.
Because you don't live in this country spesedy, I can understand why you think it's no big deal.
I sincerely hope a crackdown on porn doesn't happen - but I would be willing to bet that if it does, then you will be complaining loudly. By then however, it will be too late.

Quote: "One other main point I already mentioned is that not only women are affected, but there are lots of tapes out there which depict the same things - and even worse things (of course again only in my personal opinion - other people may think different) being done to men."

Perhaps in Europe, but not here. Oh, there might be a few - but no significant amount, I assure you.

Bring it ON, spesedy!!!

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Spesedy, if Bush's election was such a "catastrophe", what would having Leiberman-the only candidate aggressively pushing for moral legislation this time-in the VP spot do? What do you think Gore would have done considering his support, and his wife's support, for musical censorship in the 80's?

Further, "I still can't understand how one can use such a weird election system." The founding fathers knew how much tyranny would be had with a direct democracy. They installed the Electoral College to help prevent the majority from crushing the minority. A direct democracy is where 6 wolves and 1 sheep decide what to eat for dinner.

Enough with politics though (I believe Ashcroft was confirmed earlier today), I agree that consenting adults should be able to have what fun they may. I agree that it should be available if the market so chooses. If someone is so sad as to find enjoyment in such stuff-that's their problem and I hope they won't be upset if I refuse to hang around with them until they seek major psychiatric help...

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