I don't mind interracial. In fact I don't notice it.

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While this is a forum, you are entitled to have your rant but your comments are unfounded when there is so much more material being produced out there at the moment. I don't think Viv Thomas has ever shot inter-racial and by not doing so doesnt make him racist (totally different issue here folks).

Porn is a very subjective and personal one for the individuals that patronise it. Just because you don't like brutal anal (and I don't either for that matter) you shouldnt spoil anyone elses fun by saying it shouldnt be produced.

Hey, some people like watching girls crush insects with their bare feet which again is not my thing at all but someone is drawing some enjoyment from the experience...

Or maybe too much of anything is just plain bad.

Personally, I'd complain that there are too many similar blonde blue-eyed and boob jobbed girls in the industry that almost look the same. I'm glad there is more variety in the mix these days with brunettes and girls of different colour...with real tiddies too

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Edited by - Drew Black on 11/10/2005 12:09:11 PM

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Interracial is a very american genre, same thing with asian themed movies. I think it's pathetic... please get over your heritage of racism...

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The original comment is fair...go look at any dvd site's "new releases" section and look at what kind of videos are being released. If it's not the type PB mentioned, he's wrong. If it is, he's right...

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I will tip my hat to hardware though. For a moderator, not only does this guy have a sense of humor, he rides that ragged line bewteen participant and pessimist.

The market is oversaturated, but so what? I don't hear you calling for a recall of Gay, Tranny or Bi Films. Should I assume that you are happy with that mix? What about midget porn. What about titles with short men?

I don't know what's up with the market. 10 years ago P. North, S. Micheals, T. Byron, Mr. Marcus, Joey Silvera, L. Steele, and a few other ruled the male side of the industry and no one complained about their works.

If we are oversaturated, we are over saturated with production companies. There has to be 25 fold the comapnies there were in the 90's and every companie want to compete in every genre.

Don't blame IR or Anal, it has nothing to do with that. People put out what sells, and if you don't like the market, don't put what's on the shelf.

I like Anal titles and I like IR, and it appears that I am in the majority since these genres are coming to town by the truckload. At the same time, as a female, if you don't do one of the two, plan for a short carreer. Guess that's why Audrey Hollander, Trina Micheals, Katja Kasin, Lauren Phoenix, Ashley Long and a host of women hit the porn market on fire.

You ain't got to jump on the bandwagon, but don't get mad when it crushes your foot for dancing a jig in front of it.

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"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

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The reality is that you go to every single web site of a major US producer and the dull interracial (for the record for those that “skipped” the part where I mention that quality interracial titles are indeed present….RE-READ my initial post again) will great you right away. My observation was prompted by the fact that obviously at least for me putting up a cheap black on white title and hoping for a breakthrough is not enough.

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"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

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Once again, I saw it comes down to sales. If white men truly bought these titles, the market would be flooded with it. I think Stefano's success in this genre stems from his reputation and the support of both PXP and RLD. GWBS from Devil, is out there, but not many people talk about it.

Either way, we all controll the market without our dollars and input. I'm a huge MILF fan, but the issue stems from the fact that big companies aren't willing to invest in it. That leave either broken down women in these title, or the title is in the hands of C and D level studios with out of shape men attempting to lay wood.

So once again, IR and Anal may need to shake up casting and style, but the genre is more than welcome.

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Edited by - AztecGold11 on 11/10/2005 3:23:03 PM

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You don't have to have an interracial scene or rough anal scene in every movie to have a "quality product".

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"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

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It's a cultural thing. We get more porn delivered from places with similar societies. I'm not sure that African-americans make up 50% of the US population yet, so why would or should 50% be "interracial"? And for that matter, if Afro-Americans were 50% of the US population, why wouldn't the porn they make be predominantly black-on-black?

And "white" is a pretty broad term as well when you consider that Olivia Del Rio, Sativa Rose and Alexis Amore are both latin in origin, from different places, yet are both called "white" when they're not being shoveled into some kind of "Latina Babes" title.

What about the asian-descended women? Katsumi, the Thai sisters, Miko Tan...

As Astro said, everything that I like should be produced in far larger quantities than I could ever actually watch, and everything else should be shit-canned.. right?

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The only obvious to me thing is that you are trying to push this thread into the treacherous territory of racism and eventually grant this thread the fate many past discussions suffered- a moderator’s lock!!

I am not willing to personally argue with you just for the sake of making you feel good about a subject you obviously want to talk without taking into account my original post:
First of all, this is not an “interracial” thread!! It is an “interracial and anal” thread looking for some resonance from other members that are in touch with the adult market. Second of all, unlike what you claim, my thread BEGINS WITH SUGGESTIONS for improvement of the current “dull” mass productions- I suggested multiple camera angles a.k.a “loose camera”, I also recommended showing the emotions on the actors’ faces, and last but not least I suggested steady investments into quality outfits/lingerie. These are very concrete suggestions that I thought/think would bring a different flavor to the dullness I talk about. Did you bother to even read what I wrote in the opening post?
Instead you are now talking about a “problem” (to use your own words) which you want to relate exclusively to interracial films and more importantly you feel “qualified” to judge whether or not I am interested in discussing the subject. Moot point, my friend!! Either drop the inflammatory tone of your posts in this thread or don’t “contribute” at all. My posts are right there for the moderators to read (and they have read them) so if anything you claim is true about my intents they would have taken the necessary measures.

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Wow. You've had an entire six months. I've been reviewing over ten times that. The bigger problem here seems to be that you want to cubbyhole yourself into one little segment of the industry, and from the looks of it I wouldn't be surprised if you were limiting yourself to a handful of studios.

Originality? Just a minute as I let my jaded side out for a moment. You're talking about an industry that's primarily built around capturing a guy sticking his cock in a chick. The girls aren't hired for their knowledge of Elizabethian England, their ability to do Kabuki theater, or even their ability to do a puppet show. They're hired for their ability to fuck and suck, and if they're talented enough to do more than that it's considered a bonus. I have yet to hear of a studio that hired a chick who can recite every line in "On Golden Pond" over somebody that's willing to go On Golden Blonde.

Now as I put my jaded side back in, some of the charm of porn is how people deal with those limitations and seeing if somebody can capture somebody that repetitive well enough to make it fully interesting. Some can, and some can't and by looking around one can find those who can. If you would have stood up and listened to what others have said here rather than showing an amazing act of spinal flexibility, you'd see that a few of us were telling you that if you'd try to find stuff out there you like and support it, studios would see that there's money in making certain projects. Instead you came at it with a long whine that makes me wonder why anybody would pay attention to it. In fact, I'm not sure why I have this long and am done with this thread...

"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

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You are missing the point of this thread because it (the thread) does concern rough anal and dull interracial. With other words NOT interracial filmmaking per se, but a specific aspect of racial films IN ADDITION TO rough anal. Something you clearly once again did not understand or read properly as your very last post which is addressed to me reads “INTERRACIAL ROUGH ANAL”….for the record my thread DOES NOT group the two genres together.

You are missing the point because the time span I pointed out to you, to be specific a time span of six months, is just a platform for my initial observation. With other words it is not a summative time frame as you seem to imply. What does this mean? It means that my observation is not definitive hence I asked for other forum members to share their observations! Furthermore, whether or not you have reviewed films for a substantial amount of time DOES NOT make you eligible to automatically generalize a certain statement addressing an area you feel “qualified” to criticize. Especially given the fact that you failed to recognize the distinction between the two genres- rough anal AND interracial. For the record I’ve owned 3 rental outlets for the last 12 years yet I don’t feel “qualified” to slam premature “evaluations” on this very board every time I felt like doing it. And NO I did not cubbyhole myself into one little segment of the industry…I addressed TWO of them. You on the other hand grouped them together and concluded that I should have addressed the “problem”. I am unsure why.

You are missing the point because if you think that a quality adult film does not require more than simply having a “guy sticking his cock in a chick” (to use your formulation) then indeed threads like this one are simply a moot point. Unfortunately for you I happen tot have a different opinion on the subject and wanted to share it with the community on this forum. A shiver at the thought that you are actually “reviewing” adult product as it seems to me your criteria for the term “quality” is non-existent (I wonder how you evaluate the films because by definition they all offer “sticking a cock in a chick”…last time I checked many readers me included ARE concerned with originality). Furthermore, there are plenty of adult stars that are way more intelligent than what you suggest. I cane be very specific with names if I have to, having had the opportunity to interview quite a few during the last 22 years of my career. There are also a predominant amount of film stars that DO NOT “fuck and suck” and are still considered part of the adult business, something you claim to be so familiar with. That is a subject for a different debate however which I don’t think you and I will ever be discussing.

You are missing the point because once again you are bluntly oversimplifying my statement as opposed to reading it slowly and carefully. I mentioned before and I will say it again, I am not looking for a recommendation (this you certainly failed to understand even after I made four posts underlying it for you) but I was searching for impressions and observations which other forum members have regarding the current direction the adult business is following. How is this “spinal flexibility” and what this self-made implying originality term has to do with it is beyond me.

Last but not least, I suggest that in the future if you decide to “criticize” others and their opinions on this board, you at least READ SLOWLY and MAKE SURE that you know what you are going to talk about. Otherwise, to use your dismissive description, “whining” about an area that you feel you are familiar with, yet you are obviously NOT, only makes you seem that much more incompetent.

All the best,

Mr.PB

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