Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Dec 14 2009 : 8:47AM
The OP listed, among his criteria the number and intensity of real female orgasms the 'male performer' had induced on screen. The word 'stud' like all but nonsense words such as 'Jabberwocky', carries meaning and conotation -- in this case a male whose principal function is impregnating females of the same species, and connoting, in our culture a male person with advanced sexual prowess. It is not, never has been, nor in this case was it used to mean simply 'male performer,' but very specifically to male performers with some kind of legendary sexual prowess. The 'stud,' as such, is an absurd myth, cherished by males, that has no basis in empirical fact. As I understand it, when it comes to purely sexual prowess, the only real stud is the vibrator. Also as I understand it, male performers have lately taken to the use of Viagra just to keep it up, and the use of 'fluffers' is well documented. Add to that the almost universal necessity of these self styled satyrs to stand there and play with themselves in order to cum, and your 'studs' become just a collection of ordinary schlemiels like the rest of us, with, probably, narcissistic tendencies enough to walk around naked and erect in front of a camera. Without them, no b/g porn? Mostly, all male performers are nothing but ambulatory dicks. Without them, porn makers would just let the next crop in the door, and things would go on like always, and nobody would notice the difference. But you boys go right ahead and believe what you like. A guy can't think he's a stud unless he believes that there is such a thing. And that, I think, is what this absurd poll is all about.
^ I alluded to the absurdity of the OP's definition of "porn stud" when this thread first started. I think it's pretty silly (and insulting) to think vaginal orgasms are some kind of validation of masculine prowess. I vote for Tori Black's right hand, and Manuel Ferrara's first two digits on either of his hands.
And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09
Posted - Dec 14 2009 : 2:48PM
Okay, this has gone into semantics of definition; You're correct, "stud" is a male animal whose role it is to impregnate the females of its species in animal husbandry... It is not, a male porn star by strict definition and etymology. But, the term has been appropriated to generally mean something akin to "pretty decent human male fuck person", and the previous word before stud: "porn" conjures up the general image of a favoured male performer - I thought nothing more than that. You may call the term meaningless, but you understood what was generally asked for. It has no less meaning than calling a female star something falsely elevating such as "goddess", or even porn "star" (very few are stars). It's just what people say; you do not have to take all these terms literally to understand the general meaning. As I've listed, I have my favoured male performers. They are good, in ways that would show up in lesser performers. They are not all the same, and do play a big part in the scene, whether you credit them as doing so or not... Ultimately though, if you see them as no more than totally interchangeable, lesser-functioning dildoes with a pulse, that's up to you... Is the poll absurd? Well, probably... but no more so than practically all extended topics on the subject of porn conducted by strangers under aliases across the world, on a specific forum designed to do just that.
I certainly understand Mark Ashley and Peter North, but how can you guys overlook Scott Nails? By the way, I have to agree with Criss Strokes and we should also add Johnny Sins while we are at it.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 3:13PM
When wmonbear defined 'stud', he said " In my opinion, the single most important criterion to consider is a male performer's ability to induce vaginal orgasm (not to be confused with clitoral orgasm) in his female partners during intercourse." If you want to change the definition of stud to any guy with a nice smile, or whatever, go ahead, but, according to the original criteria for a stud in the porn business, there is in fact no such animal . No doubt there are those in the business with the conceit to suppose they are studs, and many men harbor that illusion outside the business, but the concept is an absolute absurdity.
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Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 4:54PM
I'd say Peter North. T.T. Boy and John Holmes are up there as being recognized as the greatest performers although not sure of what rank to give them. John Holmes is known as the King of Porn, the orginal legend and was around from 1969-1988, almost 20 years and would have been around a lot longer in the business had he not become sick and died. He never truly retired. Peter North active 1983-2008, not sure if actually retired and separates himself from all others with massive cumshots no one can equal on a consistent basis. Performed in nearly 1,800 titles. T.T. Boy performed in nearly 1,700 titles and has been active for about 20 years. Most male stars are annoying to watch so often but these three never bothered me as long as the sex is decent. Mark Ashley I can't stand and will not even watch a DVD if he is included on it.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Dec 21 2009 : 7:58AM
John Holmes first claim to fame, believe it or not, was NOT the size of his dick. He was originally thought to be the same guy that played Eddie Haskell, the unscrupulous kid in 'Leave It to Beaver'. This fiction was so widely believed that the real actor, then a Los Angeles cop, issued a statement saying Holmes and he were not the same person. Holmes died of aids after doing gay porn, because he was no longer hired to do the straight stuff. He had become 'box office poison' after his arrest in connection with the so called 'Wonderland killings'.
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Posted - Dec 22 2009 : 9:10AM
Of all the qualifications mentioned by the OP, these are the only two that I consider relevant to being a great male performer in porn. I couldn't care less about the others. In addition to these two, there are two other qualifications that are important: (1) Appearance. I know we say all this stuff about how we don't care about the guys in porn, and how they look, blah blah blah. But I think most guys only say that so they won't sound gay. Truth be told, an ugly-looking guy can ruin a scene. The guy doesn't have be an Adonis. But he should be atleast somewhat decent-looking. He shouldn't weigh 400 lbs., or look like a truck just ran over his face. (2) Versatility. He must be a good all-around performer. This means he can act, be funny, play any type of role, and just be good at carrying a scene. For example, I don't mind hearing a guy talk throughout the scene if what he says is atleast funny, or otherwise fits well into the scene, such as into the character he's portraying. But if he talks throughout the scene and it is just plain annoying and unnecessary, then it's a problem. There are times when it adds to the scene, and times when it takes away from it. A good performer knows the difference. Also, it means that he is as good at doing rough/extreme/hardcore scenes as he is at doing vanilla scenes. Being the indecisive person that I am, I can never come up with just one or two names for these lists. Therefore, my list will probably be much longer than other posters' lists because there are quite a few guys in porn who are great performers. Considering the given four conditions for being a great male porn performer, here is my (probably incomplete) list of male porn performers who qualify: Erik Everhard Manuel Ferrara Preston Parker Nacho Vidal Scott Nails Jules Jordan Rocco Siffredi Mr. Pete Peter North Mark Ashley Mr. Marcus Lex Steele Kid Jamaica Mick Blue Keiran Lee Sean Michaels Tee Reel Toni Ribas James Deen Voodoo Julian Ramon (the white Spanish one) Ramon (the Cuban one) Rico Strong Prince Yeshua Richard Mann Mandingo Mark Wood Ben English John Strong Jerry Mike Adriano Mike Stephano Justice Young Sasha Steve French Brandon Iron Jazz Duro Johnny Darrko Johnny Sinns Jordan Ashe Frank Major Shane Diesel Justin Slayer Jean Yves LeCastel Greg Centauro Nick Lang
Oh man, that's a tough one. My first instinct was Mr. North, since he has the greatest reputation of all time, greatest cumshots, and I do like his style. However, Rocco has built himself quite an empire and did get to fuck a TON of hot ladies. Bastard. But as for favourite, mine is probably Mr. Mark Ashley, for his underrated character, good looks, ridiculously big cock, and sexy pairings. But for greatest of all time...my vote still goes to North. I like that he's nicer to the ladies; I've seen Rocco be an asshole before, which is a turnoff. It's like asking what's the greatest metal band of all time; while they're not necessarily my all time favourite, I gotta go with Iron Maiden :D. Longevity, never sold out, put out both quantity and quality.
I still like Ron Jermey! Big Dick Can Nut and keep going! That is rare and this was before Viagra! Not to mention he can now make fun of himself and take diffrent roles.
I think Ron Jeremy is a good comedic performer (and has the looks for it). I almost wish he would have been a mainstream comic ala Chevy Chase. I think he would have been good at it. He was funny in that VH1 show he did with Vern Troyer.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 24 2010 : 6:11AM
A few errors here duefuss: 1) The rumour about Holmes came about after he became a successful porn actor, and that was entirely because of the size of his cock. 2) Holmes continued to work in straight porn in Europe after contracting HIV. He only did one gay scene in his later years (he did do gay loops early on, but they were softcore, although there are rumours of some hard stuff still circulating) and whether or not that is for a fact how he contracted HIV is still unknown. After all, it is also said that Holmes did some gay hustling on the side, and he was a very heavy drug user. 3) The Wonderland murders didn't end his career, his drug problems did. His longtime friend Bob Chinn would no longer hire him for work. He hadn't been performing for almost a year when the murders happened. There's a good book out on Holmes called [ invalid url ] Edited by - BlackSix on 1/24/2010 6:12:14 AM
hey Its Manuele Ferarra all the way... He clearly drew from Rocco--but he surpasses him in every way.. I find Rocco gross-hes vulgar--and who the fuck wants to watch him..yeah--hes got a nice cock...but he turns me off.. manuele is the best. For a straight guy--who can get turned off if theres too much focus on the men in the scene--i like manuele--cause he's not gross--and never does gross shit.. he loves women--is horny as hell....has a good mixture of animalism and romanticism....LOVES ass -the bigger the better...and best of all.. he seems to crave the smell of womans mouth..THATS hot...hes alwasy in their faces--making them kiss him and breath al over him..that turns me on to watch..anyone else ever notice that? Plus--the sight of a woman sucking HIS cock is a turn on....its big thick and uncut and just looks sexy.. he s the bomb
Well you give props to Sean Michael, he have been in porn for over 21 years and have won alot awards. He is the Jackie Robinson of porn who broke ground for african american performer today. Alot of woman like to work with Sean because he is tall,dark, and handsome. Then Mr Marcus and Lex took it to the next level. They don't played the steorotype thug black male performer like Brian Pumper, Shorty Mac, or Wesley "Will you please shut the hell up" Pipe. Even know my dad watch alot of his porn but Rocco the best. Without Rocco we won't have Manuel Ferrara which I like enjoy his work btw.
THIS IS IT! FINALLY TOTALS. UNLESS, OF COURSE, THERE ARE MORE VOTES TO COME:) THE LEADERS: Rocco holds strong, but Mr. North uses a late run to take a 1 vote lead. STILL BATTLING: Mark Ashley's popularity cannot be understated and Lex breaks into double digits. DISAPPOINTING: So-called Porn King John Holmes receiving little support. MEDALISTS Peter North 16 Rocco Siffredi 15 STILL IN MEDAL CONTENTION Mark Ashley 12 Manuel Ferrera 12 Lex 10 REMAINDER OF THE FIELD Sean Michaels 7 Steve Holmes 6 Mr Pete 6 Mike Stefano 6 Jean Yves Le Castel 5 Nacho Vidal 5 Evan Stone 4 Mr. Marcus 4 Erik Everhard 4 John Holmes 3 Tony Ribas 3 Scott Nails 3 Brandon Iron 3 TT Boy 2 John Leslie 2 Justin Slayer 2 Frank Major 2 Mandingo 2 BEn English 2 Chris Stokes 2 Ramon 2 Johnny Sins 2 Randy Spears 1 Kevin James 1 Jon Dough 1 Dave Hardman 1 Richard Mann 1 Dick Nasty 1 Marcus London 1 Julian Rios 1 Dale Dabone 1 Jean Van Jean 1 Kurt Lockwood 1 Franco Roccoforte 1 James Deen 1 Jass Durro 1 Nick Lang 1 Ian Scott 1 Brian Pumper 1 Jack Napier 1 Julian 1 VooDoo 1 Preston Parker 1 Jules Jordan 1 Kid Jamaica 1 Mick Blue 1 Keiran Lee 1
Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman ! 2776 Posts 10/07
Posted - Mar 6 2010 : 4:40PM
I could be wrong but I bet the reason there is little support for John Holmes is that there are only a handful of posters on this board that recall him or ever watched his movies. In my mind he is the most recognizable porn stud of all time.
I can only speak for myself, but I really don't like John Holmes - I sometimes pass on a movie if he's the star (unless it's a good film in spite of him, of course). I find him hard to watch for a variety of reasons, but my point is that even though I love movies of that era, I never enjoyed J.H. as a performer.
Read through all six pages, and just had to give a couple of shout-outs. Mr. Marcus, I'd say it's just fine for you to throw your name in the hat (ha): your aforementioned scene with April Summers (creampie if memory serves), Jade Hsu for Jules Jordan (think you had to pull and cum, then resume fucking her, not to mention the scene of yours with Lela Star) all make you an All-Star of All-Time. Throw in the Aurora Snow scene in Up Your Ass (with Lexington Steele) and you're talking some smoking-hot shit. And speaking of Lexington Steele, his scene with Kaylynn for Jules Jordan is off the charts. Others on the list who deserve mention: Michael Stefano: his scene with Mary Anne in Teenage Peach Fuzz is unbelievable. Tom Byron has been a master Jedi for decades. From Ginger Lynn to Nikki Dial to Jamie Summers to Taylor Hayes, he's fucked and brought out the dirtiest in the hottest starlets. To say nothing of his Cumback Pussy series which brought anal sex into vogue...or his making asseating mainstream. Then there are the three Euros: Rocco, Steve Holmes, and Manuel Ferrara. Rocco's work goes without saying. The guy is a god. His all-time high: Jenna Haze taking him up her ass in Fashionistas. Steve Holmes is unreal. As someone said earlier, he can bring it intimate or depraved. Usually things fall somewhere in between. Any man who can make every single starlet eat his ass, take his long cock in their shitters--and bang the Stevens sisters--is good by me. Manuel = a force of nature. His Raw series, the jackhammering anal of gals like Mia Rose, and the mental states he puts chicks in (e.g., Maya Hills, or the phenomenally beautiful Tori Black most recently) all set him apart. Quick honorable mention must go to Justin Slayer. I think he did scenes with a "Natali" from Europe and with Angel Dark that define sexing. LeCastel's huge sword and love of all things gaping anus (he is married to Venus after all) put him on my list. His spearing of Eva Black in Assman is what it's all about. Rounding out things, Brandon Iron wrecked Bobbi Star's perfect shitter and then made her taste it. He also fed a very new Isis Taylor some thick nutt. Hell, his Half His Age series alone could make him a legend... Edited by - angelus113 on 3/6/2010 10:44:44 PM
I can't believe I mentioned Mr. Marcus and failed to include his incredible scene with Kacey outdoors for Devil's Films. Kacey spreads her asshole wide, sits on Marcus's dick and then licks her ass-juice lovingly off his cock. One of the all-time great scenes!
Lex Steele is the undisputable king of porn. he has a fantastic chemistry with the ladies, and he works with the most beautiful girls. and his scenes are quality.
Where is the love for Justin Slayer. The dude puts it down every single time. Marcus is my close second and Mark Ashley is a beast yo. You also have to credit Stefano for the sensuality of his scenes. I hear a lot about the New Chicks Cum First 4 scene but I personally believe the Don't Pull Out 4 scene was better. Edited by - eyecue on 3/12/2010 6:15:05 PM
Manuel can outfuck every single major dude named, with maybe the exception of Mark Ashley. I have never seen the porn girls react to a guy the way they react to Manuel. They all look like they're going to cum within thirty seconds. I'm not saying that the other guys don't bring the hammer and bring it with a sense of solid professionalism, I'm just saying that from what I've seen, girls seem to get off the hardest with Manuel. Plus they treat his mouth jizzshots like it was nectar. That has to count for something.
And BTW: John Holmes was straight up creepy. Maybe that's easy for me to say in retrospect, but I cannot watch any of his scenes. He looked like a serial killer. Same with John Leslie and Jamie Gillis and Harry Reems. Yeah, they were pioneers, but that doesn't make it any easier to watch them. But I don't like old porn at all. I don't think old porn dates particularly well. I can barely watch stuff from the 90s anymore, with the exception of some Jon Dough scenes. Now as far as I'm concerned, Jon Dough is the most underrated porn stud ever. That dude could fuck and he was fearless.
All of the Gents bring their own style and flavor to a scene or movie, however, not all flavors are as good as others. That said, IMO, I have never seen anyone match the continued intensity throughout a movie as Rocco Siffredi. His early work was amazing; the passion, the chemistry, the stamina and endurance, and how he was able to get his "subjects" to get turned inside out! His current work shows flashes of the past (i.e., "Rocco Ravishes LA" scene with Kristina Rose) but no one has done it for so long at the level of Rocco. Justin Slayer, too, has plenty of game... Manuel, obviously, brings the pain and the emotional connection which separates his game from others - women simply LOVE this man. (I wonder where he learned his trade from? Rocco, maybe??) ;) Mark Ashley is a beast! My Sleeper is: Nacho Vidal!! Not the most attractive of performers mentioned in this thread, but one of the best who brings out unbridled passion and sexual intensity. His work in the Made In...series' is crazy hot! These women know that their sexual being is about to get taken to the brink. Dario Keep It Movin'
^ I would have to agree with you about Nacho. He fucked like he was on fire, and the girls liked it. By the way, Vince Voyeur was a stud. Probably still is.
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Just a few notes... First, on Rocco: I am a serious fan of Rocco when he fucks TRUE PORN STARS --- Lexi Marie, Chasey Lain, Nikki Tyler,those girls. His scenes are sizzling with the stars. Im not a fan of Rocco when he just goes and finds his euro chicks and just goes off on them. I dont like those scenes. Next, I agree about the creepy factor when it comes down to the old timers - John Holmes, Harry Reems, Jamie Gillis and those guys. THey all come off as being old perverts sneaking around getting sex from younger girls.
All this talk about creepy porn stars and no mention of Rick Savage yet??...That dude defined creepy! He looked like a cross between a caveman and a child molester. And amazingly enough, the women seemed to love him.
Yeah I much prefer Rocco when he gives it to proper porn actresses- I've longed to see him do Stormy Daniels and Kimberly Kane and would love to see him give a good seeing-to to the MILF-tastic Lisa Ann....
But his trists with "ordinary, off the street" ladies is also the allure of Rocco; knowing these ladies have no idea of what is about to happen to them is enticing, isn't it? (We all know they are actors, just Euros...and that ain't half bad!) I do agree, a scene with Lisa Ann would be crazy sweet, as one with Shyla Stylez!! In any event, porn vet or not, Rocco brings 110% to the table with whomever is on the other end :-)
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Posted - Mar 23 2010 : 1:43PM
Manuel Ferrara Also my favorite director. The ladies love him and it shows and makes for the best porn. And he's a total perv
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Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity! 465 Posts 3/10
Posted - Mar 23 2010 : 4:43PM
I throw in my vote for Mark Ashley first and Brian Pumper second. Brian gets second because he seldom goes balls deep. I believe that if I'm the one paying to see the video, the women should be put through the anal paces in a shitload of positions. I don't care to see a man hamming it up while his uncircumcised pecker lovingly goes from her ass to her mouth. I'm also not in the least bit concerned about how much semen he's packing. I'm more concerned about men who place women in positions that allow me to better see their anatomical features from head to toes, inside and out.
Wow, Rocco could do a victory lap to end his career - banging Lisa Ann, Shyla Stylez...oooh, how bout Rocco and Jesse Jane. I know Rocco is an old timer now, but he still bangs with the best. These scenes would rock.