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bps
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313 Posts
2/07
Posted - Aug 19 2007 : 1:11AM
my sense of it is that purveyors of more circus-ish/extreme porn are targeting men who probably don't get much -- if any -- tail in their own lives. the acts they tend to depict are, as a rule, so degrading and so oriented towards the girl being constantly tested/submitting to the will of her partner, it must be that those are the kinds of acts -- AND the kind of dynamic -- they reckon the target audience would wish to engage in if they ever had a crack at a real female. I'd like to think they're wrong about that.
Tommy Kaye
Member

135 Posts
2/07
Posted - Aug 19 2007 : 11:34AM
To maccer: Yes, I always try to add a sense of eroticism to every scene I shoot. Certainly my direction is part of it, but chemistry between the performers is the key. Your job as a director is to try to foster and capture the chemistry without being invasive, or get in the way. Do the people look as though they actually care for each other? From what I see commonly in gonzo porn these days is guys who appear to have disdain for women. Choking and manhandling the women to the point of absurdity and abuse. Erotic? paleeeeze. I don't think so.
Directing and producing skills, or lack thereof, do become very apparent and obvious as storyline/plot lines meld into the sex scene itself. A polished and erotic scene seamlessly unfolds and is unhurried... unless frenetic sex is what you intended to portray in the first place.
Creativity? oh boy... lets discuss that in another thread.
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Edited by - tommy kaye on 8/20/2007 8:56:04 AM
RandomPrecision
Senior Member

Enjoy!
8175 Posts
3/06
Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 9:12AM
You know what makes it hard to find the good stuff? The folks who make the crap know how to make it look like good stuff. If you can throw together a halfway decent looking cover, who can tell unless they watch the movie? Even a trailer isn't foolproof. They only have to come up with a couple of minutes of boner-inducing stuff.
ntfighter
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645 Posts
7/07
Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 3:16PM
Jim Gunn posted to one of the current threads and provided an insight into his movie making style. He as a veteran film maker explained the absolute control he exerts over every aspect of the production, and here is where the problem begin. Normal human lust for anthers is directed right out of the product, and with it any eroticism.
The actors of today also seem to see themselves as professional athletes. A pro football team arriving a suiting up for a game. The actors are not about to have sex. but to perform a physically demanding task, separately that incidentally involves genitals. I would not be turned on by someone who is going to tackle me either. Gonzo porn can barely be described as sex, take away the cursory penetration, Stud is going to beat off in any case, and we have Jack Ass the movie..
 
CL
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108 Posts
8/07
Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 4:19PM
Yes, but at the same time, I always hated crappy porn music.
"Yeah well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man"
junglew
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1042 Posts
12/02
Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:01PM
No.
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musiqman
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You Big Dummy
293 Posts
7/06
Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:49PM
@Tommy Kaye
I can't wait to checkout your stuff. It sounds like your material will be a welcomed breath of fresh air. At least for me it seems like your type of material will be a good alternative to much of the over the top crap out these days.
One last comment, I think your observation of "From what I see commonly in gonzo porn these days is guys who appear to have disdain for women. Choking and manhandling the women to the point of absurdity and abuse. Erotic? paleeeeze. " Is on point. I hope your passion remains true.

Music the true universal language
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Edited by - hardware on 8/21/2007 9:00:22 PM
Clam Digger
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Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good.
2268 Posts
1/05
Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:03PM
I think that what we as individuals consider erotic porn gets lost in the landslide of junk that pervades the market place today.
There is just so much of it that quality stuff gets lost.
realtip
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2301 Posts
6/04
Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 12:52AM
As has been mentioned on this thread already, eroticism is subjective. Personally, I am finding the newer porn to be less erotic because most of it is less hardcore. It seems most of porn is now trying to go in the direction of plain vanilla sex, which I find so boring to watch. On the Web, most of the major porn sites have scenes that are 99% vag only. I've also noticed the same trend in movies. So anal appears to be on the decline. I don't know what the cause of it is, but it seems like porn is trying to now be as uncontroversial as possible. And some of the controversial/extreme stuff is what I sometimes would like to see. It may not necessarily be "erotic" for many peoples' tastes, but at least it was something different from the everyday standard fare. Basically, I just don't feel that I should be going to sleep from watching porn.
monkey power
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Tim?
868 Posts
1/03
Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 5:51AM
If someone says the erotica is missing from porn, and then other people chime in with "What is erotica anyway?" or "Isn't it all subjective?", I think this only confirms that there's been a kind of breakdown here. It's not all that subjective. Erotica is: human appeal channeled into sexuality / toying with temptation / fueling one's earnest excitement at the prospect of sex, an excitement made possible because you value the other and your connection to them. Well, the "value" part of that is what's bled out of porn. Both fans and directors claim to highly esteem the performers they're degrading more and more all the while, and it just doesn't compute. The wires are crossed. The human appeal has evaporated. The only connecting is that of crotches, the only heat that of friction. The prevailing attitude is that if you want your movie to be good it must contain "superwhores." So a femme who wants to work on her performance will be led to focus on acting like an even bigger whore instead of shoring up those other human qualities that might make her more endearing / memorable / warm / erotic.
If the mindset of everyone involved is dippy, so is the product, non-coincidentally. It's all about the prevailing attitudes, and to find those all you have to do is listen to the crew talking on a behind the scenes feature about what a big whore someone is or telling her to her face that she's a big whore or the male performer telling her that during the scene itself, etc. Well, guess what? If you treat your "stars" like anti-stars, like dirt, then that's what you'll get: dirty performances. And what's wrong with that? Nothing? For a while, maybe. But then this happens: dirt fatigue. Try this out: 4 = 4. A simple math statement. So simple you aren't really fascinated by it, are you? 4 = 4. So what? Well, the same can eventually be said for Whores = Whores. After a while, it no longer fascinates you. Because there's no surprises with an equation like that. No mattter if they're gargling or swapping jizz like there's no tomorrow, they're still behaving pretty much like you'd expect, having been branded as big whores. In much the same way, there's no surprises with the interview questions we hear over and over again: "How long have you been in the industry?" and "How did you get into doing porn?" This is robotic repetition. You wouldn't normally ask a person the same questions every time you see them. ....Just a little example of how all kinds of things are impersonal and robotic nowadays. I guess it shouldn't come as so great a surprise that the average DP also has that pre-programmed feel to it.
There used to be more ingredients in the sex pot. Redeeming qualities that would launch lasting fantasies.
Oh well.
Here's a report from the firing line:
I just had 60 new titles show up, filling up 3 full wall sections at the store, and was looking over the boxcovers for something that looked worthwhile. There was one, like "Nice Rack 15" or some such name, that appeared to contain some hot new cutie and a solid all around cast. One. One movie. One that made me say "That's an appealing, well put together product, with still photos that make the performers look good, creating in me the belief that someone cared a little. I hope that carried over into the filming of it. I can't say yet because it was one of the few that somebody had already rented!
Vodveer
Member

72 Posts
7/07
Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 9:46PM
Porn. 1. An erotic picture or erotic writing that stimulates the sexual appetite. 2. (New definition) Violent, risky behavior involving superstretched body cavities, severely pounded rectums, phlegm- and semen-puking throats and other phenomena that provide thrills for some people.
bigmacman
Member

39 Posts
1/07
Posted - Aug 30 2007 : 7:28PM
I think porn is less erotic these days. They concentrate too much on closeup penetration shots. I prefer full body side on shots where we can see the woman's beautiful body and her facial reactions of ecstacy as she's getting pounded.
Plus they seem to edit out portions where the girls have an orgasm. Watching a girl enjoy herself and having a big orgasm and panting and shaking is very erotic and satisfying.
Edited by - bigmacman on 8/30/2007 7:30:11 PM
Edited by - bigmacman on 8/30/2007 7:30:28 PM
Baggio
Member

451 Posts
7/04
Posted - Aug 31 2007 : 4:41PM
If it wasn't for Wicked or Vivid, erotic porn would be completely lost.
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