Do you believe a consensus of ADT opinion, has ever been responsible for setting a precedent, or affecting in any way, the manner in how mainstream porn is shot today?
Howard Levine (hollywood woody) made changes at Vivid a few years ago based on feedback he asked for here. He started a thread and asked how they could improve. He's no longer with them.
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Todd Gack Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 21 2013 : 9:20PM
What feedback was given and did he actually implement any if the suggestions?
Probably not but then again I don't think there as ever been a true consensus on any subject on ADT so it's not possible to say whether one could or could not set a precedence.
I'm not convinced its changed anything in the broad scope, but I like to believe that a chorus of interest, and posted support in a once popular thread, perhaps helped usher in a new series. "Swallow This" from Northstar. It isn't much, but I commend those from Northstar for at least listening, responding to those posts, and to this day, still seem to be following through with what the general consensus of those posters requested.
I think these boards have infulenced small things like casting choices but I don't think it has or should have any major influences. To be honest the most members/posters here are such a specific niche that doesn't reflect most casual porn fans. So many of the fans here seem to be almost fanatical IR, anal and harder/rough sex fans that unless the director/studio only does that type of movies/scenes input from this site wouldn't do them much good.
^I disagree somewhat. I think the "ADT audience" represents an enlightened group with valuable insight and experience. And the casual non-ADT porn viewer will blissfully accept anything that shows naked people fucking. So...the pornmakers should simply write off the more discerning viewers, because the "normal" viewers are buying enough porn to keep the money pouring in?
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Posted - Apr 22 2013 : 7:35PM
I'm with Draxxx. As in any entertainment businesses, there are the "smart" fans which constituent 2% of their audience. For those of you that follow wrestling, you may have heard the term "smart marks". It applies just as much in porn. Entertainment businesses know the 2% (in this case, ADT posters) are more knowledgeable and product savvy but they usually only get a thrown a bone whereas the business knows that feeding the masses (that 98%) is what pays their bills and mortgages at the end of the day. So, no, in my opinion, ADT represents such a small percentage of porn companies' overall audience that their feelings probably aren't going to make a difference in the end product. All that said, perhaps they would have influence on a smaller niche porn provider but certainly not a Wicked, Vivid, or Digital Playground.
I think that is a big thing Draxxx,a Director coming on here and taking on board ideas from fans and casting choices and using those in his or her movies is massive for me.
I think that some Directors do check the forum and maybe pick up on an idea or casting suggestion from threads and use the idea but of course not admit it lol.
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Todd Gack Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 22 2013 : 9:46PM
^ if it makes you feel better to believe it then Don't Stop Believing and don't let reality stand in the way.
Directors do listen to fans and cast girls they would like to see in movies,some Directors might see something in a "rival" Directors thread and pinch the idea before they get round to filming it,how do you know it does not go on?
^ I think the posters here sometimes might influence the casting in LT's movies. LT asks for suggestions from time to time. I would find it hard to believe that he would spend as much time in his thread if he didn't actually listen to their suggestions.
Too many 'experts' here with fairly narrow views of what like as opposed to what's actually good. From what I see the majority of the most vocal posters prefer the harder more extreme stuff and have a preoccupation with IR sex. In the real world DIGITAL PLAYGROUND is one of the top selling companies but it seems not that many people here like what the company does. Parodies were top selling movies for awhile and gave the porn biz a much needed shot in the arm but most people here were tired of them and wanted them to go away pretty much from the start even though they were very profitable for porn companies. Many fans here become bored with a performer much much earlier than a casual fan because fans of the ADT type will follow that performer and watch all her scenes. Too many people here are much more concerned with what a performer won't do as opposed to what they do well. Long story short the people here are a small but vocal percentage of the overall porn buying public who are more discerning (ie: overly picky and jaded) and really don't have numbers/power they think they have.
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Posted - Apr 23 2013 : 6:44AM
I have the impression that the biggest chunk of porn consumers really only just streams the tubes.Sooooo critics? God help us. ____________________________ Please ID these PlayboyTV girls https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/playboytv-foursome-identification-thread/ Edited by - hoochimama on 4/23/2013 6:48:14 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that ever since that big thread, it's no coincidence that there was/is an incredibly dramatic increase of this act in scenes.
I agree with Draxxx. There's a thin line between being an enlightened consumer and one who merely mistakes his well-cultivated tunnel vision for insight.
I'm sure it has. Here and there. People who make porn for a living clearly do read this forum at least occasionally. And even when they don't, pertinent info seems to travel to them pretty quickly when it matters. I don't think they're going to come out at the start of every scene they make and announce they're changing things and why. I rarely have seen someone I recognized from the industry in a thread here promising to do anything differently but I have seen a few changes over the years. The bottom line is that they have a lot of places to get feedback from besides a porn forum. I wouldn't advise them to ignore any one of them.
No but had surely quit this board there are some members who really believe people comes here to read their hatred toward a porn performer and really think that to be mean against one performer would gain the respectability and influence because they feel free. Actually is quite the contrary also no man in real life would pursue all the women they don't like to say them they are ugly. And I really don't understand their urge to do this here I guess any director/performer in porn would take very carefully any suggestion coming from here agreement and disagreement are not always logical, just emotional
Some Directors do let their feelings known if they think an idea or maybe a movie has been "copied" check this older thread out and it is from a while ago so any bad blood is long gone. Battle Of The Asses/Anal Showdown Also check this out Cherry Boxxx company "pinching" Elegant Angel box covers? That is just 2 examples and im sure if you dig deep enough on the forum you would find more,now onto some positives and the small things that do make there way into movies or are picked up on by Directors or Studios. From the Omar Galanti thread,when Omar completed his new oil movie he asked fans for a suggestion for the name of the movie Omar's Slippery Anal Poundings was his choice and that was my 15 min of fame lol. I made a suggestion in the Elegant Angel podcast thread about getting some male talent in to hear their thoughts on porn and how they made it to the big time,i asked for Manuel etc Manuel did star in a Podcast and i got a name check from him I have shared a lot of PM messages with Jonni Darkko and Graham from Elegant Angel and have got some great feedback from them for suggestions i have made,im not going to say anymore on that for now In the Jonni Darkko thread i posted a pic of a Darkko tshirt i made up check the thread and Jonni loved the look of the tshirt and asked if i would send him one and he would use it in one of his movies. So i made up some tshirts and sent them off to him And so far Skin and Maddy has been pictured wearing the pink one and Allie Haze the black one. So if there was no ADT or Directors/Studios posting on the forums then none of that would have been possible,it might seem small news to some but the thrill of seeing a t shirt i sent to Darkko in one of his movies is awesome.I have also seen lots of threads regarding casting etc and again in the Darkko one the posters in the know who are on Twitter etc alert Jonni that the girl is available and he reaches out to the girl
I don't know why people keep bringing this up as if it's an epidemic when it's a small minority of people (some of whom apparently keep getting banned and coming back under different names). The vast majority of posters here on ADT (especially the regulars) do not do this. It is incessant only in that it is continuous. But I don't see why anyone would avoid the place or quit doing porn entirely because of a few idiots. The admins have tried hard to prevent harassment of performers and industry people on this forum. To make it as friendly and inviting as possible (under the circumstances). Edited by - randomprecision on 4/23/2013 6:38:36 PM
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Todd Gack Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 23 2013 : 8:25PM
"From the Omar Galanti thread,when Omar completed his new oil movie he asked fans for a suggestion for the name of the movie Omar's Slippery Anal Poundings was his choice and that was my 15 min of fame lol. I made a suggestion in the Elegant Angel podcast thread about getting some male talent in to hear their thoughts on porn and how they made it to the big time,i asked for Manuel etc Manuel did star in a Podcast and i got a name check from him I have shared a lot of PM messages with Jonni Darkko and Graham from Elegant Angel and have got some great feedback from them for suggestions i have made,im not going to say anymore on that for now In the Jonni Darkko thread i posted a pic of a Darkko tshirt i made up check the thread and Jonni loved the look of the tshirt and asked if i would send him one and he would use it in one of his movies. So i made up some tshirts and sent them off to him" ^ Wow. That's sad. For those having trouble spelling "fanboi", let me try and help...it's spelled S-T-I-N-K-F-I-S-T.
Todd why are you on a porn forum if you dislike participation so much,i posted those to prove a point that suggesting ideas to Directors and Studios does indeed work as they do use fan ideas.If you think im sad take a look at all the threads for porn girls and threads for suggestions for Directors etc to see that we are all indeed sad in your eyes
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Todd Gack Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 23 2013 : 9:32PM
And others here make T-shirts for their favorite stars? Feel a sense of accomplishment when they get "name checks" from male pornstars on a podcast heard by like 143 people and (gasp) share PMs with directors? I'm pretty sure most people here would agree this goes slightly beyond "participation." I'm also pretty sure most think it's pathetic.
^ Todd, what's with the negativity? Someone asked about any changes ADT has made to porn, Stinkfist listed some real examples. Leave it alone. And please read the forum etiquette: "Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community. Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads." There's no need to call your neighbour "pathetic."
Todd, why do you ask when you obviously know exactly how to spread negativity? Seems a little bit dishonest... And as you prove, negativity does not necessarily have aything to do with asking for IR or Anal; there are many forms of it.
I think it's too risky for any porn producer to bet a lot of money on some people's opinion. Opinions are good only for getting new ideas that need to be tested in the porn market to see if they work or not. Just because there is widespread consensus doesn't necessarily mean that this consensus is right. And just because most people disagree with someone's opinion doesn't necessarily mean that this opinion is wrong. The only good way tell whether some opinion is right or wrong is to test it in the porn market among the general porn audience. There is a long history of widely accepted opinions being totally wrong, and widely rejected opinions that turned out to be right. The most famous example is how the Solar system works. The widely accepted opinion was that the Sun rotated around the Earth. While the rejected opinion of Galileo Galilei was that the Earth rotated around the Sun. And now we know which one of them was right and which one was wrong, based on evidence and testing.
Todd i never expected such a negative reaction from a fellow porn fan but that is your opinion and you are entitled to it,i gave my examples of how ADT can make small changes to porn and you threw it all back in my face the tshirt was so pathetic that Darkko asked me to send him some.Not sure what porn movies you like Todd or genres or if you have some favorite Studios or girls but you might be shocked to know that the next movie you watch could have been influenced by fans on ADT if of course the Director or someone from a Studio has a thread on here. Let's get the thread back on topic again if of course anyone is allowed to back up their claims that ADT can change small things in porn without being called out.
Most of this discussion has focused on the boards, but I would imagine the reviews have more impact. Some casual porn viewers (i.e. members of the 98%) might look at the reviews in deciding what to rent. The boards are are for the more serious porn fan. I imagine reviews impact AVN awards. I think I remember Bono-One once commenting about being among the voters that choose the winners, and I would imagine that when deciding what titles to nominate for awards, the companies might look at reviews. Even the most casual porn fan would be more likely to rent a title that won five awards than one that wasn't even nominated. The boards speak to the more serious fan, and we are an important part of the market. For instance, I once asked my local video store to order a particular title. (The Evil Angel compilation that they made during their legal problems; I really wanted to see it, in part because of reviews I read here.) When the store ordered one for me to rent, they ordered four more for the shelves. All four of those sold out. I have no idea how important the money raised by selling that title was to Evil Angel's ability to deal with its legal problems, but it points to the fact that ADT operates within a complex system, that includes a lot of actors, from law enforcement, to the tube sites, to video stores, to voters in California and casual fans. All of thee actors impact what gets produced.
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Posted - Apr 21 2013 : 6:48PM
