Was able to get a hold of JD in hedonism, Howard on demand, while JD was interviewing Jenaveve he asked if she does black men and she replied 'she has not had the chance to work with one'. Being a black man myself and a big Jenaveve Jolie Fan I have to say I believe she was talking shit. I find it hard to believe that in the porn industry that if she wanted to do it, it won't be much of a problem. The thing is if she does not want to do black men she should say it rather than talk a load of crap, If she was a vivid contract girl (which she is not) I would understand the image thing (which is bullshit anyways and I believe vivid is such a racist company). Tory Lane and Harmony Rose came out and said they were not interested in doing interracial and I respect them for it although they lost me as a fan, not that it matters to them. Anyways I’m still hoping that one day Jenaveve and Harmony will someday surcome to the black man. Justin slayer, Mandingo and Lex steel you know u need to get these chicks.
Are there any more chicks that you would like to see do interracial.
I understand that they don't want to do it. I get a lot of hate mail, disgusting racial insults and even death threads because I perform with black performers... I don't blame anybody who wants to spare themselves of that...
I wonder if girls who choose not to perform with blacks get hate mail and slurs for not performing with them. I wouldn't be surprised if they do. Unfortunately sometimes the fans who have issues are the most vocal even if they are not representative of most fans. You can't please all the nutjobs all the time.
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Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 2:16AM
Based on the history of the USA, and the industry, it's in fact far more likely that the women who do IR would be subject to more harassment than those who don't.
Other than that, what a girl wants to do with her body is her business. I could care less that a girl doesn't want to fuck black guys. I'm looking more for a girls performance anyway. Now if she's paired with a slouch that can't keep up then that's one thing. Beyond that how can you honestly criticize a girl for offering her every orifice and then some for the viewers pleasure just because she's not getting railed by your choice of male talent?
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T0201 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 3:55AM
Well it could be true that given that she's latina any scene she does with an Anglo would be IR, but by that reasoning any scene between any given male and female would technically be IR simply because of the genetic and racial diversity of the human race.
As for what she wants to do with her body it is indeed her business, but if she chooses to avoid certain talent because of discriminatory beliefs then she may be subject to criticism from certain corners. That's just the way it is.
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Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 11:06AM
I wish just once that a beautiful white girl came along that fucked ONLY black guys on camera. Then I'd wait to see how many "hey, its her body ... her choice" arguments start showing up when the situation is reversed.
Its easy to say when your fantasy isn't the one being excluded.
I totaly agree with you tritone, every girl who fucks a white guy is a racist.
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 1:19PM
Yeah, yeah :)
What I meant was that if white people were to see someone universally loved like Teagan doing ONLY black guys --they would wonder why they got left out. Furthermore, you wouldn't get the chorus of "OH, it her body, her choice ... live with it" retorts that follow. Yes, the hard truth is -- we do have to live with it because it is her choice and it is beyond our control. But we damn well have the right to complain about it. It is natural to fantasize about a starlet you like being with someone "like you".
Now I understand that there are only so many black guys in the industry and its not possible or practical for every girl to work with them. But for someone whose been in the biz for quite a while like Jolie -- you start to wonder.
So I say let my man vent -- I understand his dissapointment.
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T0201 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 1:25PM
Well I don't know if the discriminatory label holds for Jolie, because while it is true that Jolie doesn't do LF/AAM IR on screen. It is also true, based on what I've seen, that in real life she apparently doesn't have a problem "dating" black males.
Another reason why a girl who dates black guys in her personal life won't do interracial might be that in many interracial titles white girls are being humiliated. They are supposed to use the n word a lot, adress themselves as a "black cock whores", talk about how their racist redneck daddy would be pissed if he knew etc. Man that's just sick! I can perfectly understand that some girls don't want to be have anything to do with it for any kind of money.
Excuse my English, it's not my first language.
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Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 1:41PM
Good point, I also think that we should respect their choices.
Maybe not all girl feel comfortable with fucking black guys, just as some don't do girl-girl.
Since it's our bodies I don't think it's up for us to decide what they should do
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Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 1:51PM
Actually on those IR sites it's definitely not the white girls being humiliated, more like the black guys being used as a prop for the main consumers of that kind of content, white guys, to denigrate. Because the use of racial slurs is one way, towards the guys, not towards the girls.
And it seems reasonable to conclude that the whole point of that kind of language being used is to take the sting out of the scene and make it palatable for the main consumers of that content to watch. Because if the women were actually having a good time sans the slurs it wouldn't be as "entertaining."
Maybe humiated is not the right word. The thing is the white girls in today's interracial porn are often depicted the way that some of the girls might not be confortable with. I presume the black performers are not very happy about the stereotypes their characters need to fit in either.
Sure it's all about the supply and demand but I would not blame the girls that don't want to participate in that.
Do you also get disgusting racial insults and even death threats because you're also performing with white performers?
I guess my point is if white fans can get angree because you have sex with black performers why can't black fans get angry also because you have sex with white performers. I guess in this case it's one-way racism.
I can only imagine the e-mail Spring Thomas gets from the South ;-)
I'm sure there are black people that are not very happy to see black female performers working with white guys.
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Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 2:40PM
I agree with this, and I do not watch the kind of IR porn that promotes these themes. However, I truly doubt this is why some white performers will not do IR.
If they wanted to do IR without all the "controversy" attached they can always get with Lex Steele, Slayer, Jack Napier, Mr. Marcus, Sean Michaels, etc...
Your point doesn't make sense. Katja Kassin is white so why would black fans get angry at a white girl because they have sex with white performers? Surely they are more likely to be angry if its a black girl that only has sex with white performers.
Lol Looks like we got some dumb one in ere, not goner mention names. Anyways i'm a black liberal English guy and race does not mean shit to me, i'm a porn lover first before i see colour. And i think us English are more tolerance when it comes to race. The point i was trying to make is that why did she say what she said when she has no intention of doing black guys let me say interracial.
I have sex with white guys and black guys and I wouldn't even have a problem with asian or mexican guys if there were any performers, so why would anybody get upset at me? The insults I get are mainly about my looks (I'm fat, ugly, disgusting and lord knows what) plus about performing with black guys on camera and being a race traitor and a shame to the white superiority
You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06
Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 10:21PM
the whole 'interracial' porn market seems to be about playing up bitter ongoing issues related to america's sad past.
I watch porn with black guys in it but i won't watch rubbish where the black man is portayed as a gang member or some animal violating a dumb little white girl(which seems like 98% of IR titles)
Racial harmony will not be achieved when every white girl does 'interracial' it will be achieved when people stop putting black people into a special category.
when I first came to America 4 years ago to become a porn star I didn't know much about American culture and I didn't know I would eventually end up living here. I didn't know about the issues people have with each other. I tell you honestly if I had grown up in the US and if I had experienced all this crap my whole life I would have probably never performed an interracial scene...
Because some people are just stupid. They're the ones who have issues. It doesn't have a thing to do with you.Well...all I can say to that is that I think I have pretty good taste in women and you don't have a thing to worry about in any of those categories.
I understand that when you're in the public eye and you're getting all kinds of insults, threats and everything else that it can seem like the whole world is against you but actually, this is probably a very small group of very ignorant (or just plain stupid) people. I wouldn't worry about a thing any of them has to say. Your fans obviously love you and that's what really matters, right? Anyone who calls themselves a fan and then sets about insulting you is not really a fan and probably has some kind of mental issue.
I'm sure a lot of people get that sort of mail. There are groups of people who actually believe that junk. Just nonsense, mental illness and/or a poor upbringing.
From a business point of view I would think its a very bad move to do interracial. Everyone knows that the majority of people who buy, rent, watch porn are single lonley white men. Out of that i'm sure 90%, or more of them do not want to see it. So i would think that in order to stay popular a female performer would give the majority of her fans what they want. But of course this is not the case. And for the record, Jenaveve has done interracial, go to her website and you will see. For the record, I work in an adult video shop and have for 5 years now. Very few white men buy these exclusive interracial movies. I am often asked which movies a said star is in without an interracial scene.
That's BS... Most of the interracial porn is being sold to white guys that think it's the nastiest thing on earth for daddy's little white princess to get her tight holes stretched out by a big black monster cock.
She made hundreds of porn scenes fucking white men. How is she not giving the majority of her fans what they want?
And I don't care whatever personal choices these girls make; but I just don't even get the whole business excuse for not doing black men on film. Are you seriously telling me that a girl, a non white one in this case, would lose her white fanbase because she had sex with a black man in 1 out of her 201 scenes? In other words, because she had sex with a black man, single lonely white men everywhere would stop watching her scenes altogether, even the ones where she starred with white males. You are pretty much saying that most porn fans are racists/rednecks. As well you are implying that black consumers don't exist to even bring in marginal profits.
And I also like how you used your little corner of the woods porn store to draw on generalizations the whole porn market.
Well that somewhat saddens me to hear that, at the same time, it makes me very very glad that you weren't born in the U.S. I can't imagine a porn world without Katja Kassin. Europeans as a whole, seem to have less issues with race and class...which is a beautiful thing. As a black man, I really love watching you in IR scenes. To be honest though, I'll pretty much watch you in damn near anything, and pretty much have. I think your that hot, sexy, and just that damn good!
Forget about all the haters, and know that there are plenty of us guys, whatever nationality, that really love watching you. I'm 100% sure that "we" outnumber those that hate on you.
Point well taken. I don't know though, just seems race issues don't matter nearly as much to Europeans, well at least not the porn performers who visit or migrate to the United States. I've heard several foreign performers mention this over the years. Like Katja, they appear to be genuinely surprised by the negative responses or the big-deal that generally gets made over it.
Edited by - aplus on 2/13/2007 8:35:44 PM
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sam46 Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 8:39PM
LOL!! Ask Katja how Arabs are treated in Germany! Like dirt.
Not only in Germany. I lived in Germany and in Denmark now and I have to say the Arabs and Turks get much more discriminated in Scandinavia especially Denmark then in Germany. A lot of it has to do with the wider and longer history of immigration in Germany compared to Denmark where it is a fairly new phenomena and not as common thru the decades and accepted as in Germany. Just my observation.
Muslim minority is a completely different issue and does not have anything to do with racism. The Arabs have no problems with integrating to the European societies if they want to.
Edited by - Slonik on 2/14/2007 7:57:26 AM
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sam46 Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 8:28AM
From Die Ziet, 10/06- In the German mind, the Arabs are maniacs, immature third-class citizens, quite beyond the reaches of humane Enlightenment. This German sympathy is a form of patronising contempt. The gushing respect for foreigners is nothing but self-satisfied arrogance. The multi-culti rhapsodising of my peers is, in my opinion, the flip-side of the sinister racism of yesteryear
PS: I'm not saying that we Europeans don't consider our culture superior to other cultures. We do, even tho' it's not politically correct to say so in public. I'm saying that race and ethnicity is not such a big deal in Europe as it is in northern America.
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sam46 Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 9:09AM
"The Arabs have no problems with integrating to the European societies if they want to."
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 9:11AM
"In the German mind, the Arabs are maniacs, immature third-class citizens, quite beyond the reaches of humane Enlightenment"
"The simpler-minded average German sides with the Arabs. There is much under-the-breath muttering, growling and whining of that old chorus: the Jews are to blame for everything! And when faced with reflex accusations of anti-Semitism, today’s Jew-haters reply coolly: “Surely one can criticise one’s friends!” The Germans have a steely eye on the Jews in Israel, and a moist eye on the Arabs in Palestine. But the German romantic sympathy for the Islamists in the Middle East conflict has its reasons. In the German mind, the Arabs are maniacs, immature third-class citizens, quite beyond the reaches of humane Enlightenment. This German sympathy is a form of patronising contempt. The gushing respect for foreigners is nothing but self-satisfied arrogance. The multi-culti rhapsodising of my peers is, in my opinion, the flip-side of the sinister racism of yesteryear. [emphasis added]"
That's the whole paragraph. The author was clearly analyzing the reason why do the Germans irationaly side with the Palastinians in their struggle against Israelis. He said nothing about how do the persons of Arabic origin integrate into the society.
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Posted - Jan 30 2007 : 8:09PM
