Do you really think that there is any limits?
Im starting to forget about limits...

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Edited by - Zartyr on 11/10/2004 12:31:06 PM

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There is still passion , beautiful women , and the great outdoors you know . Maybe if that's become stale then there's a problem ?

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My God. I'm delusional.

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Or maybe I'm just delusional too.

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Katja Kean was actually looking at her partner and - sit down before you proceed reading - NOT looking into the camera, during a whole scene.

On the day I was watching "Constance" I had also rented "Riot Sluts" and I still cannot decide which movie is hotter, the nearly softcore "Constance" or the reportedly hard gonzo "Riot Sluts".

Edited by - Zartyr on 11/11/2004 11:58:58 AM

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I mentioned what I mentioned because that is truly what I would like to see. I just don't realistically think it will happen unless the homogenized/circus act gonzo stops selling well. I think the market will dictate what happens and if pornographers feel that softer, more authentic stuff is what people want maybe they'll give it to us (Fusxion, Lex Drill, Acid Rain...all these gonzo fronts formed because they said "this is what the modern consumer wants") I just don't see them getting the message that chemistry and not debauchery is the true thing porn fans crave because I don't think the sales will go down significantly enough.

This is just the nature of a free market: something successfull will be imitated to death until it has lost any real meaning and saturation will be achieved. There are quite definitely girls working today who probably don't really enjoy the stuff they feel they have to do because it is the current nature of the biz (at the same time, there are plenty of girls who probably love it...this way they get their money for a short amount of work as opposed to getting the same amnt. of money for standing around on sets waiting for lighting and learning lines with no extra compensation) And the Vince Vouyer's and Stoney Curtis' who make sure to have the girls look straight into the camera and spout offensively forced dirty talk ain't helping, especially when they do it to new girls who then don't know any better and think that is what they are supposed to do in porn scenes. Gonzo is all fine and good but too much of it is a bad thing. If I were to watch a feature film and the two performers actually looked authentically into eachother, like Devinn Lane always does, I would find that incredibly sexier than any monotonous anal, DP, DAP, DPP scene in a Red Light/Platinum X-imitated gonzo tape since so often the performers doing those scenes look about as excited as typical Eurogirls.

We've got anal. We've got DP. We've got both Double anal and Double vag. We've got gangbangs. We've got 50 Man Cream Pies. We've got widespread overemphasis on Interracial and shitty POV films. We've got veiled bukkake in "Baker's Dozen." We have the actual thing in JM's "American Bukkake" series. We've got rough sex that makes some of that old Extreme stuff (not the Federal 5) look antiquated. We've got more and more specialized fetish series, such as the recent camel toe videos.

Individually, these things aren't necessarily bad. However, it all amounts to a constant upping of the ante and outdoing the other guy or copying what the other guy did and sold well with. Sexually, I don't know where they can go from here, hence the comical dicussion earlier about how the hell three guys could "fit in there". I think it would be better to actually cut back and focus more and authentic product. It ain't gonna happen though because it is not clear that this is what the majority of us want. I imagine we are in the minority.

Kelly

Edited by - tscfan317 on 11/11/2004 1:02:24 PM

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But I was shocked too ;-), finding a scene which reminded me of Ninn's "Shock" in a gonzo in particular, and shocked in general that my distaste for gonzos would have nearly cost me the pleasure to view this gem of porn of the last years, which many very likely will name a milestone of the adult genre in lets say about 10 years from now.

And what was too bizarre? I mean this movie did not have any circus acts. (I personally would have enjoyed a Euro version with actual chain-bondage of Arianna Jollee).

I find the usual gonzo formula of a gathering of people who are going to fuck each others brains out at least as "bizarre".
And what tops the bizarrity of all bizarrities is, in usual gonzos they gather in million dollar houses but wear clothing so cheap, you would get evicted in the most sleaziest club or house in the trailer-trash ghetto.
Now this is what I call bizarre.

BTW, I normally stick with Private, Dorcel, Colmax, IFG, various Italian studios, Studio A and AlexD and enjoy one or the other Adam&Eve, Digital Playground and Vivid movie from over the pond as well.

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As dvd technology gets better and cheaper, you could easily see larger compilations, where studios open up an entire series of scenes to consumers.

A "What do you want to see in the film" type of thing where reviewers pay to have things added, after reviewed approval, or for free if they buy the compilation. Maybe for say $100.

Imagine if you could submit a sexy line one of your favorite pornstars say. Or what she changes into, or how she performs.

The ideas could be grouped together into a compilation, made either interactive...like which of the 50 clothing items do you want to see her wearing, etc. Which of the phrases do you want to hear her say during sex, etc.

Or could be a compilation of completed scenes based on various ideas.

I think the future of porn will be more consumer oriented, which will make it better.

Like being able to check a box when the dvd loads to include or exclude, gaping, dap.....or to setup the order you want the events in. Shit like that.

I don't know I just made all this up. Who knows.

Edited by - rocco on 11/17/2004 8:51:52 PM

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It is the fucking job of the cook to create a delicious meal by himself, I am not going to do his part of job.
And if it does not fit my tastes I'll search for another restaurant.

The same goes mutatis mutandis for producers/directors/artists.

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(I Just love the energy you put in all your scenes!!)

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****Katja, don't assume you know somebody's feelings or beliefs from 1 opinion or what part of the US they are from.****

AC Cream

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On the other hand, I do understand Katjas statement about passionate 1on1 sex. I think once upon a time there will be a backlash. First, however, we will reach TAP and more BDSM hardcore porn.

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Consider scene 4 of the classic 'Lex the Impaler'; here 2 English girls relish the attentions of Lex and his black whopper,
urging each other on to further debauchery.

Likewise the last scene of RLDs excellent 'Cum Swapping Sluts #6' which has some of the hottest ever anal and A2OGM I've seen.
But it could have been even better with lots more dialog. Rather than the off-screen directions to share the cum with the other girl, they
should have talked about what they planned to do, urging each other on and really relishing the act.

Yes, we all really enjoy porn, but we'd all enjoy it a whole lot more if we were more convinced the performers were enjoying it too.

The higher the heels, the sexier the girl!

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Fact is that a good production staff (director, editor, etc.) somehow have the ability to make extreme stuff or circus acts not look like "sick".
The rising number of $I_just_grabbed_a_digital_camera_so_call_me_director would would also make a vaginal missionary position look like "sick".

OTOH, many people seem to be fond of this cheap stuff, when I look on the place occupied by unwatchable american gonzo, german wall-to-wall sex flicks, and german goo and urine themed DVDs in video stores.
Probably the same people who then complain about this "sick stuff, because it is really easy to avoid this stuff and look out for movies with higher production value.

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Frankly I'd like to see the end, or at least the decline of all the freakshow stuff that's been going on. I never even understand the point of gaping. The main enticement of anal is that the hole is so tight. When a girl gapes huge, it's not tight anymore so what's the appeal?

So many scenes have become endurance tests and nothing more. You might as well call porn an extreme sport because alot of the passion and eroticism has gone out of it.

I'm not complaining mind, because as long as Jules Jordan, Brian Xin, Staliano, and Leslie keep using the kind of women and getting the hots I love, I'll keep paying.

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Instead of continuing on this narrowing road to greater extremities, and farther away from the center of mainstream tastes, a studio would probably be better off, polishing a genre of choice. One that offers its talent, sufficient diversity to please a distinctive audience, and securing a solid base, against what could become a marauding competitive marketplace.
This, until as another thread had discussed, Technology, or other advancement in the medium, presents itself, and opens a door to some new stimulating possibility for the industry as a whole.

I would think it likely, that those who can adapt through raw creative ability, and maintain a loyal following, would best make it through to the next rainy season.

Well, along with a scarcity of those opportunists, extremely lucky, and equally ravenous.

Edited by - Endless Loop on 11/28/2004 8:34:43 PM

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Then we have the admoniished and reserved other sister.
The backdoor embarrassment. Who's forever locked away, never to be seen, much less heard, cast forever, as the disgraceful simpleton. While recieving little regard for her diligent work, she performs her duties to often unseen perfection, managing all the dirtiest chores, and taking nothing but hand-me-downs in return.
In society, hers is a place that lies beneath them all.

Just like in Cinderella.

Anal lovers are simply seeking to find out if their slipper fits.

"Cumfarts are fleeting, deep ACP's are forever"

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