^ This issue is that Gamma is a huge company with a bunch of different brands attached to it. Mindgeek is a huge company with a bunch of different brands attached to it (that doesn't even make the majority of their money from their subscription sites). Naughty is a pretty small company in comparison to those sites, and they apparently don't have the money behind them to operate the same way. Basically, they operate at the same level in terms of content releases, but don't (and probably haven't for a long time) bring in the same level of revenue. So their choices are either to make themselves much smaller, or try to bring in much more revenue.
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Posted - May 2 2018 : 1:26AM
^You think Mindgeek gets more money from tube sites than subscriptions to Brazzers, RK, etc.? Edited by - Porn Scout on 5/2/2018 1:27:55 AM
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I don't think the issue with NA is lack of big money backing them. My suspicion is that they simply don't do the numbers well. They don't understand how to measure revenues against expenses and they probably don't have a model that tells them how well (or poorly) any given scene drives subscription revenue. This is one of the reasons I've been wondering about their VR investment. People like me furiously downloading tons from the back catalog has to be an issue, and of course those costs go up as your library grows. I really wonder how big of a problem that is. For instance, if I sign up and then download 1 TB of scenes over the next few weeks, how much does that cost the site? And then, in any given month, how many users are there like that?
They do have a model that tells them how well any scene drives subscription revenue. They have an affiliate program just like every other major site, and that would tell them what scenes people are viewing before they sign up, which is the basic determining factor of which scenes drive subscription revenue. And outside of the multi-girl VR scenes, which basically only saw a big uptick this year, they've been producing basic boy/girl scenes without even very much anal, which is about as cheap of content as you can produce (I don't think I need to go over again how the extra cost for VR scenes would have been spent a long time ago and amortized over all of the scenes so it doesn't cost more to shoot a boy/girl VR scene than a normal boy/girl scene). I think it's a lot more likely that they've been operating in a very lean fashion for a long time and this is a last ditch effort to bring in extra money than them suddenly, after years of being a successful company, having just suddenly forgotten all the things they did to get them there.Yes. Tube sites have nearly zero costs to produce content, because everyone else produces the content for you and uploads it, and you basically only have to pay them if the content gets popular (and even then, it's usually a lot less than you'd pay someone to actually make content for you directly). And for their primary tube site, they even have a subscription that you can pay to access a bunch of old content that they bought the rights to years ago, in addition to the advertising and affiliate revenue they already bring in. I don't necessarily think the tube sites bring in more total revenue (I think it's possible, but not necessarily likely), but I do think they have much lower operating costs. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 5/2/2018 2:47:17 AM
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Posted - May 5 2018 : 12:51AM
Holy hell I wish I saw this before signing up, because NA sure as hell doesn't tell you upfront. Like all, I sign up and go to try and watch a scene and I can't because I have to pay? They don't make this clear at all, so I take the bait so I pay the extra money to watch the scene, however, I try to watch a different scene - and I don't have access to that either.....WTF. Never using this site again, which sucks because they have some good scenes. Thankfully, I was able to get a refund, but I had to explain to the person in the chat, and he didn't understand it at first. Way to fuck over your actual paying customers. It's one thing to change you model, that's your right - but to be so purpusley deceptive is shady as hell. Just because you work in the porn industry doesn't mean you have to act like snake oil salesmen.
^ Yes, its crazy. I refunded my yearly due to the same thing. Advertising access to 44 sites when you don't get jack all. People want a fair deal, their new model is not a fair deal - especially when they poorly advertise and barely offer any transparency. They haven't listened to all the negative feedback on their forums and I'd suggest anyone who is unhappy to post up here as well. Allow everyone to understand whats changed that visits ADT & also share your feedback. $19.95-29.95/m for 100 scenes (or access to a months content) and then $19.95/m for each MSHF type channel etc. The main NA guy (owner) has barely posted since the changes, not helping out anyone who is upset or taking in feedback. Its really poor customer care, especially when your job as a subscription site is to ensure your members want to come back month after month... I'm sure the payment provider doesn't like issuing so many refunds....
^ The admin on the NA boards said they were looking into lower cost options to be available in the immediate future. Not sure if it'll actually amount to anything but least it suggests they are aware that people aren't pleased.
^ They've been aware people weren't pleased since day one (if we're being honest, they were aware people wouldn't be pleased even before they made this move). They just need/needed the money bad enough that they hoped people wouldn't care as long as they kept current memberships the same, and that things would blow over eventually. Both of those things haven't happened.
They have started to do scenes with 2 or more women which are shot normally and not VR, might have to rejoin if this is a regular thing now and not all group scenes being filmed in VR anymore.
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Posted - Jul 1 2018 : 11:16PM
This site has been off my "porn radar" for a long time now, but a new scene featuring my current porn obsession - Eliza Ibarra - was released last week. The thing is, it's a VR scene. Are these VR scenes only available to watch in that format or are they also available in 4K and 1080p? I tried to view the trailer for the scene (Double the fun with VR porn threesome with Ashley Adams and Eliza Ibarra) on both my iPad and laptop, but in both cases the video started but kept stalling. My porn viewing method is streaming 1080p scenes on my iPad, so VR and 4K are useless to me.
^ Steer clear of NA atm Mass, you don't get access to VR, only a round of monthly releases. So if you want it, you may be able to get this month - but that also isn't clarified by NA before joining. As for VR, you have to buy channels to have access to them monthly, same with MSHF and all those have individual channels which ranger from $17-21 per month. If you visit their forums, you will have a clear idea of whats going on with NA at the moment, its a shambles.
^ That's not entirely, true, as far as I know. You get access to the latest month of scenes, VR or not. As far as VR, technically there's a process to view them in 2D, but it takes downloading a program to watch it, and you'll end up with distortion, so it's generally not worth it. The truth is, that if you see them release a scene that you really want to see, and it's within the past moth, I believe you can join on one of their trial options and you'll have access to that scene. So basically, you can end up paying $2 (the price of a 3 day trial) for that one scene with the option to check out everything else that has released in the past month, which isn't a bad deal (basically all of their membership options besides the two trials are terrible deals, though, because they all give you the same access and the only difference is the amount of time you have that access for).
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^ "As far as VR, technically there's a process to view them in 2D, but it takes downloading a program to watch it, and you'll end up with distortion, so it's generally not worth it." Okay, that is what I wanted to know. Thank you, I posed the same question about VR in the Eliza Ibarra and Ashley Adams Star Crossed threads but couldn't get a reply from anyone. Sucks that they make these scenes available in ONLY that format; like I said, I just stream scenes on my iPad, so I have no interest in getting the specialized goggles - or whatever the fuck you need - to watch these VR scenes.
^ The generally problem is that to shoot in 180 degree VR, you need to use special wide angle lenses that are naturally going to distort the image, but in a way that works for what VR is trying to do. You can try to use software to get rid of the distortion, but it's gonna look weird the further away form the center of the image you get. And shooting with a normal camera in addition to the VR is nearly impossible because it'd be really hard to do it in a way where the 2D camera doesn't show up in the VR shot or vice-versa.
Does anybody buy NA DVD's? If so what is the mastering quality like on them? I purchased a compilation DVD from them 2 years ago, and the transfer was abysmal, screen shrinking, 480p quality. So bad I threw it in the bin. If they all like this, them I'm better off downloading/streaming their movies. Edited by - Secret Guy on 7/2/2018 8:43:16 PM
I have been a member for about 4 years just found out about this now when I tried to download an older video this is crazy they have about 50 channels if people are just downloading for a month and that's the problem then why not put some sort of reasonable download limit as it is I will not renew again unfortunately I paid for a year not that long ago.
So whats the deal? You subscribe and only get access to content from the last month? And then anything older requires an "upgrade"? Was going to subscribe but i might wait to see if they change their new business model...
^ Yes, that's the deal. Any subscription only gets you the most recent month of scenes, and maybe a couple extras (if you pay attention to their Twitter account, once every week or two they'll throw some extra scenes into the membership, most of the time the extra scenes are all scenes of X performer because it is her birthday). Anything older than that you can only buy via channels, which get expensive quickly and most of the time one channel isn't gonna contain all the videos you want (basically, each of their subsites [i.e. My Sister's Hot Friend, My Friend's Hot Mom] is a channel, and each channel has a set unlock price, so if you were looking for all videos of a specific performer, you'd have to unlock each channel/subsite they had appeared on). The sub is only worth it if you're explicitly looking to download something they had released in the past month, and even then you're better off getting a trial than a full sub (since the trials actually have full download/stream access). Edit: And right after I post this, I get an example of what I'm talking about: [Tweet is no longer available] Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 7/22/2018 3:29:50 AM
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^ Just tried the trial membership for the 3days, there's also a 7 day trial - however the trial membership doesn't allow for access for the recently released scenes. Instead you get only access to "trial membership vides" which is a random hodgepodge of 28 scenes that you can't download. Frustrating part is when signing up the site does not lay out any detail in what's included. Very shady and no reason to sign up - wasted $1.95
^ It almost seems that the current NA business model is to scam as many people once until that business model fails. I'm glad that there are still some porn sites that seem to appreciate the business that members bring. Bryan Gozzling probably leads that group.
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Posted - Jul 29 2018 : 11:28PM
So, essentially, when you purchase an NA membership nowadays, you really have no clue how much - or how little - you'll have access to? Gee, that sounds great.
They won't tell you up front, but the only thing you're guaranteed, as long as you buy a non-trial, is access to the most recent month of scenes. Everything older than that, you're best off assuming you don't have access to and treating it as a bonus if you do. With them fixing the trial thing, there's really no reason I'd recommend them at this point.
[mod edit: comment removed. don't tell people how to find vids on tube sites.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/30/2018 4:29:51 AM
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Posted - Jul 30 2018 : 4:18AM
I wonder how long they can survive like this? They're still doing daily content drops, including VR scenes, so they must have enough cash on hand to pay producers.
Grrr I wish I saw this thread before parting with my cash. I bought an annual subscription hoping to get all scenes, now I get limited nonsense! If I want all the scenes I would have to pay $25000 a year! I'm going for a refund, as much as I dont want to. The worse is the lack of transparency when signing up.
So I contacted Epoch via e-mail and live chat. At first they were not willing to give me a refund, stating that they are third party, but after protest they eventually paid me back my annual subscription fee. Stay well away from NA until further notice.
This is just getting worse I am a member of Tonight's Girlfriend and was after the Shawna Lenne video in 4K but its only 1080P but I am a full member. But a 4K version is available on Naughty America but its now locked under the new channel system even though I have been a full member for over three years. dose anyone know if there are looking into this or who to contact.
^ just contact support, if not forums.naughtyamerica or just go to their payment provider EPOCH and say you feel ripped off. Puts more pressure on NA to revert this nonsense. I can sub to nearly every other porn site on the planet and not pay the same monthly fee for all of NA's back catalog.
Even being grandfathered in at the old set-up I decided to cancel a few weeks ago. The quality has gone downhill and the sameness of each scene has only gotten more pronounced. They have a ton of sub-sites but every scene seems to be the same thing with the only difference being a couch or an office desk. It used to just be The Tonight's Girlfriend stuff but lately a ton of scenes start out with the girl putting her clothes on for a few minutes ZZZzzzzzzzz... It's okay once in a while, but it starts to feel like filler for directors that have no ideas. Even the quality of the lighting seems to have gotten a lot "cheaper" looking, as if they are cutting corners with the behind the scenes talent. A shame as I like Vanilla scenario porn, but NA is starting to resemble casting couch porn, only done in low rent soap opera sets with thinnest veneer of being a scenario. Edited by - jackie treehorn on 8/8/2018 6:30:50 PM
I had completely missed this new business model, so i got a monthly membership as i had done many times in the past. Was shocked at the site being cut up into channels that you had to pay extra for and immediately contacted NA through email. I demanded my money back due to them not being clear about how much the site has changed and within a few hours i had been granted a full refund, so the support was very helpful and have probably had to handle a lot of these requests during the last few months. NA has great content and i'm not against paying a bit more - but not hundreds of dollars per month. Perhaps they should look into implementing the same system as Digital Playground has. For the basic membership fee you get access to all content but only for streaming, and for an additional $19.95 a month you get full access with unlimited downloads. I would happily pay this for their content.
^ I have a feeling that the reason this model has stuck around for this long is because at the current prices, for every person that cancels their sub, they only need one person to buy one "channel" to make up for it.
On the plus side teensloveblackcock/teamskeet has a promo for 33% off naughty america(among others). Wonder if thats 33% off the just the main membership or the membership and the "ugrade/vip"?
I bought a monthly membership today for $29.95 and can confirm that all channels are unlocked with HD and 4K downloads available. It seems they've come to their senses and gone back to the pre-april system, apart from raising the price $5 and VR not being available, which i never downloaded anyway.
^i can confirm. I just got a 29.95 membership as well and all the channels are unlocked and downloadable. Edit post: Except vr Edited by - Chessmaster on 9/28/2018 3:23:21 PM
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Posted - Sep 29 2018 : 3:50PM
This is good. So long as they're transparent and upfront about what is offered for a given membership tier, I have no issues with them.
The funny thing is their forum(visible to members only?) is literally 9 out every 10 threads is some variation of "im cancelling/i want a refund/fuck NA" going back a few pages.
^ The forum is visible to anyone (and you don't have to be a member to sign up). And it's mostly that way because after the change, the staff just stopped showing up and saying anything, so there was nothing to do do except complain.
Sent email to support not sure what's going on but as far as I can tell it has not changed if it had and they had gotten rid of the channel system the option wouldn't be there at all I did take a 12 month membership so maybe I'm being punished for taking a longer membership. :)
^ If I had to guess, it's probably changed for new people signing up and current members are stuck on whatever plan they are currently on. For monthly members, this is probably fine as they can cancel and rejoin with whatever all-access plan they want. But for the yearly members, it means having to lose the year's access to go for monthly at a much higher price.
