Read they are coming out with a this ain't avatar xxx. Just wondering with the growing popularity of fucking machines. how long before someone makes a saw parody. Just an Idea. ; ) "There will be cum." Topic Moved by - Flash on Aug 14 2010
At the end of the day, it is what it is. 629 Posts 12/09
Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 6:10AM
Considering that most classic slasher films of the 70's and beyond contain sex scenes, their parodies are ideal for porn. We can start with "Friday the Thirteenth" and "Nightmare on Elm Street". "Verbal intercourse has been known to cause pregnant pauses"
I know there's at least two "Elm Street" parodies shot in the 80s. I've only seen one. There's no gore. There's not a single murder. Nobody even gets their ass spanked. Freddy is basically a perv who jumps into dreams to fuck people. It's played for laughs.
Recently filmed. The press release on it was a decent sized big deal because it was the first time Ron Jeremy and Ginger Lynn had done a scene together in years.
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 1:12PM
I hope never. Torture porn is terrible. I hate it and Eli Roth. Eli Roth should be in prison, not Max Hardcore. Quentin Tarantino should be in prison for, Inglourious Basterds.
oh settle down, Hostel and Saw aren't torture porn, there is a lot of sick mysogonistic crap out there, most of it is internet stuff, Hostel and Saw are horror movies, they are supposed to be violent and mean spirited to frighten people, whereas this stuff on the internet is actually for these disgusting freaks to jerk off to and laugh at, because they enjoy watching women being raped, tortured, maimed and mutilated. There's a big difference, the movies arent toture porn, and Eli Roth and the dudes who made Saw don't belong in prison, by saying so you might as well vote for communism, free speech is still a right in this country, at least for the time being.
Eli Roth, who plays a leading role in the film as the "Bear Jew", says that the idea of vengence is "...almost a deep sexual satisfaction of wanting to beat Nazis to death, an orgasmic feeling. My character gets to beat Nazis to death. That’s something I could watch all day. My parents are very strong about Holocaust education.” On a similar note, one of the films producers, Lawrence Bender told Tarantino that “As your producing partner, I thank you, and as a member of the Jewish tribe, I thank you, motherf--ker, because this movie is a f--king Jewish wet dream.” Jewish wet dream Edited by - mr. sausage on 8/5/2010 1:44:29 PM
jeez you are really hung up on that, whatever you say.
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 2:30PM
Glad you see it my way. ;)
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Young Herschel Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 2:43PM
I am one of the most avid supporters of the horror porn genre on ADT. I have coressponded with several directors here about doing something challenging and daring in 2010. I recommend "Squealer" as a porn project which was almost right; it was glaringly and regretably void of any dialogue or character development to set up the girls before they sufferred their tragic fate at the hands of those hard-up hillbillies. The other films which are closer to the epitome of horror porn are "Texas Vibrator Massacre" and "Night of the Giving Head". TVM even got some love from the AVN awards We really need more films like these IMHO and if a major company like Hustler, Elegant Angel or New Sensations were to do a serious porn tribute like "Friday the Thirteenth XXX" I might die from anticipation!!! It is the simple concept of sexy girls and a depraved ax-murderer trapped on a remote Pennsylvania mountain side during a snowmaggedeon like we just had this winter; mix the girls up with Asa Akira, Isis Taylor, Catalina Taylor, Tori Black, Misty Stone, Kristina Rose and London Keyes and give them all distinct character personas so we as an audience can get to know and care about them before all the mayhem begins when the power goes out. Some should be terrified and despondent but others can be resolute and determined to make it out together; some are just all about saving their own big, beautiful asses from the killer :-) Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/5/2010 2:47:34 PM Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/5/2010 2:50:42 PM
brazzers did a scene a while back that was a parody of the first saw movie . with i believe ricki white ..or shyla stylez or maybe both of them tied up in that white tile room ..chained to the pipes . it was ok :)
I don't see why a porn company can't do a good horror porn. Special effects are cheaper these days, so I would think that they could have effects as good as the early/mid 80s. Many horror films back then mixed sex and killing, the porn company would just take it further. As to good horror porn, I add Succubus to the list.
I have seen a few horror porns. Not a fan. the makeup always throws me off. Like night of giving head would have been a great movie, good concept, except for they went and put the girls in zombie makeup with flesh and stuff hanging off. Real wood killer. If your going to make a horror porn you should focus on the porn part.
Co-sign. I know that porn is often about pushing the social boundaries of video entertainment. But in a horror feature, it is implicit, usually explicit that the sexy young women are going to be hacked or otherwise slain to death by the antagonist (Jason/Micheal Myers/Leatherface/Freddy). With that in mind then I could see the argument for having the girls suffer implied rape/murder in a horror porn from the antagonist as well. In one on the best parodies ever made, Private's "Sex City" there are two or three rape scenes and the first was a rape/murder. This three disc feature release handled the rape scenes with artistic integrity as they were integral to the character's storyline; nothing was sugar- coated. It is a taboo topic in porn to be sure but if it is socially acceptable to have an antagonist hack and disembowel his victims on film then horror porn shouldn't be so squimish about felony murder (rape) IMHO. Case in point: Vivid's "Cry Wolf" had an openining sex scene which began as consensual sex then it morphed into the sodomy/rape of Monique Alexander. This film was critically-acclaimed and won the AVN award that year. Horror porn does touch upon some senstive subjects of a taboo nature but if the girls are being killed off with mayhem and malice anyway then would "Friday the Thirteenth XXX" with multiple rape/murder scenes commited by Jason along with all the consensual counselor and camper carnality among the cast of co-eds be too taboo? I do not think so, depending on how serious the script was (a true tribute as opposed to a comic parody) and the vision of the director. Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/6/2010 1:44:25 PM
I don't see why it has to be a complete rip-off called Friday the 13th XXX. They could make their own summer camp horror porn film without having to force it into the vein of Friday the 13th. A high school senior week at a sleepover summer camp in the woods, that way all characters are 18 and no one gets in trouble, where an unknown killer, with killings that are shown in POV style, where campers and counselors who are seen engaging in sex are later stalked and killed, which separates the sex and violence so no one gets in trouble. This allows for numerous sex scenes that fit in with the story. Counselors sneaking away from the bonfire to get busy. Campers sneaking away to screw. A girls cabin girl/girl experimental scene. A spin the bottle leading to sex scene in an unsupervised cabin. This set up allows for numerous tease non-sex situations as well, boys peeking in the girls shower. Skinny dipping at the lake. At the end the killer gets unmasked as the overly religious counselor or camper, who believes sex is evil, which explains why they were killing the sexually active counselors/campers. Figure 80 minutes on story/killings/tease scenes, 42 minutes for sex scenes (6 scenes at 7 min each), makes a nice 122 minute feature film. A closed overnight summer camp should be easy to find in this economy or an open one that would rent the place out in the fall which would keep costs down. Hire more then just the sexual participants to be actors/actresses so it looks like a full summer camp (some could participate in the tease scenes).
Wouldn't any movie that mixes hardcore sex and violence (even if it's not in the same scene) be an obscenity trial waiting to happen? Depending on how you interpret the laws, it'd probably be illegal to own in the UK. I've seen an Italian slasher themed porn series mentioned somewhere, but I can't remember the details off hand. I'd be surprised if there aren't at least a few from Europe, especially considering all the lesbian vampire movies from France, and the truly batshit insane horror-porn pulp comics from Italy:
Succubus combined violence and sex. Hell Liz Vicious kills a guy right after fucking him. Blood Lake also combined violence and sex although the director confirmed that VCA cut much of it out. Edited by - flash on 8/7/2010 10:41:11 PM
Powertool Massacre is the only recent slasher porn movie I can think of - there was no visible violence per se, but there was blood, and a couple get killed right after fucking. I wonder how this went down in UK and Australia?
Camp Cuddly Pines Powertool Massacre was a porn parody of horror films. An excellent one that did a better job than the Scary Movie franchise in my opinion, but I wouldn't call it a porn horror film.
The really big thing I hated about Hostel 2 and which might be evidence that it isn't exactly "porn" was when the nude model opens up her robe for the art students AND THEY DON'T SHOW FULL FRONTAL!!! WTF
I've never been a big fan of horror and porn together for that matter I'm not a huge fan of slasher movies with or withourt porn but I do know that Andy Casanova has done a few movies with a slasher theme. I can't remember the name of them but I know that at least one was basically a killer some s short stories where a killer breaks into homes and has sex with the females and then kills them(not on screen). I tend to agree with Dave_k99 that this is just asking for trouble. Isn't one of Rob Blacks and Lizzi Bordens porn slasher movie the reason for their legal problems?
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Posted - Aug 9 2010 : 12:36PM
Co-sign. I cannot believe that Wicked never did another edition; this classic won a slew of AVN awards. Flash, I could hardly believe what I was watching the first time I saw this three disc release. This was a remarkable endeavor on Wicked's part, but I'm slightly partial to Private's "Sex City" because it was a serious parody to "Frank Miller's Sin City" rather than a comedic spoof. This project was greenlit in 2006, years before the present porn parody era which has revitalized the adult entertainment economy; how is it that no one at Wicked has considered the timeliness of a Camp Cuddly Pines sequal today? Flash, did you enjoy Private's "Sex City" more or less than CCPPM? Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/9/2010 2:44:53 PM
Hello Isis Taylor, Thank you for your response as well. There has to be a breaking point for all the porn comedic parodies which have flooded the market today. It was the serious tribute to X-Files by New Sensations/Digital Sin which recieved (and deservedly so) the most ardent praise last year. Are you also a fan of teen slasher movies? I could really envision you starring alongside Kristina Rose as one of several juicy, buxom, bootyfull co-eds on a winter break ski-trip to Big Bear, CA or some other resort destination where all the suspense, the stalking and all the serial-kiling drama unfolds as everyone has to decide whether to stick together or save their own asses by whatever means necessary. Do you sleep with the lonely groundskeeper and steal the keys to his new Mountaineer knowing that you can sex him to sweet release and then take off after he falls into a deep slumber? Do you enlist your girlfreinds to accomplish this feat of survival or think to hell with them - their fucking my ex lol. Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/9/2010 2:51:38 PM
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Posted - Aug 9 2010 : 2:25PM
I'll admit I have never heard of that movie, but I submit that there have been some porn features where the rape and even rape/murder scenes are consistent with the evil-nature of the antagonist and done within the artistic vision of the storyline/plot. Flash, I think that you will really enjoy Sex City. It is a three disc release just like Camp Cuddly Pines Powertool Massacre, but each disc is part of the film with a fourth disc reserved for the extra material/bonus. There are several rape scenes in this film with the first being a rape-murder scene committed by Roarke Junior's character; it was, IMHO, consistent with nature of the actual film as he WAS a murderer/rapist in "Frank Miller's Sin City". Not to spoil the film for you but even one of the female heroines falls victim to his depravity. Senator Rourke's only son was a really sick, twisted serial felon in Sin City and that is just how he is portrayed in Private's Sex City but with more hardcore sexual violence. An old-school 70's flick which received rave reviews on adultdvduniverse.com was Porno Holocaust. I bought it last year after reading all the verified buyer's comments. It had decent plot about a tropical island where military atomic weapons where tested years ago. Some island native became a big creepy creature/zombie who would assault the beautiful island women and kill them with his radioactive semen if he could catch them. Needless to say he scared off the inhabitants and became a local legend among the natives until a news crew from Italy came to do a special on this legend. There is plenty XXX material and even a good deal of IR both in Italy and on the island, since the monster appears to be played by a black male and one of the many beautiful girls on the news crew is Indo-Carribean I think. Very cheesy 70's style special effects but the story was better than some modern porn features and I felt that all the rape/murders committed by the monster (there were three such scenes with one being a forced face-fuck of an incredibly goregous Italian woman) were well within the realm of the plot the movie called for; he ain't no cassanova going around seducing pretty young women - he's a zombie/monster created by nuclear weapons fallout! The same reasoning would hold for any such antagonist if a porn horror feature were to be made today; Texas Vibrator Massacre had such a villian and it was nominated for an AVN. Roxy Deville kinda fights him off at first then switches gears on him and seduces him into fucking her so she can escape after the killer gets lost in the throes of post-climax esctasy. Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/9/2010 2:26:58 PM Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/9/2010 2:54:10 PM
Joe D'Amato made several films back then that crossed the hardcore barrier. Porno Holocaust was the second in a series he did. The first two being Orgasmo Nero and Sesso Nero. I don't think either of them were released on DVD in the states yet. You also might want to check out his film Erotic Nights Of The Living Dead, which is available from Media Blasters, the same company that released Porno Holocaust in the U.S.
Young Herschel I have not seen Squealer or Texas Vibrator Massacre. Maybe I should. I hear a lot of amazing things about Texas Vibrator Massacre though. I'd love to get to do something fun like that. I love doing those kinda projects.
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Posted - Aug 10 2010 : 8:15PM
^ They were both very entertaining movies but IMHO it was "Texas Vibrator Massacre" which deserved to win the AVN in 2007, since "Squealer" had won the AVN in the preceding year, 2006, but was absolutely void of any plot or character development. "Squealer" had a very grimy Southern vibe to it, but it would have been beneficial to know what part of the South the stranded motorists where stuck in (Northern Kentucky?) and where they were going/coming from (co-eds on a road trip to Mardi Gras?). Ten minutes of dialogue was all that "Squealer" needed to give some back-drop to this doomed group of young women so we could get a feel for who they were as individuals before the hillbillies get to them and all the twisted sex begins. "Texas Vibrator Massacre" had plenty of dialog among the characters to carry the audience from scene to scene and to amplify the entertainment and anticipation of the ensuing action. Both are very good films which I'm sure you will enjoy Kristina. Hopefully, some studio will be inspired to give you the chance to headline something of thier caliber. Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/10/2010 8:16:17 PM Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/10/2010 8:16:53 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 16 2010 : 6:19AM
Man, are those ever bad movies. But I'm not a fan of D'Amato in general, except in a kind of hypnotic 'so-bad-its-good' way. Squealer is nicely shot but should have had more of a storyline. My favourite porn-horror movies are probably Hardgore and Dracula Exotica. The original Forced Entry, Femmes De Sade, Sex Wish and company seem a different breed to me.
I always preferred Jess Franco's erotic flicks over Joe D'Mato's, 99 Women, Eugenie, Marquis De Sade's Justine... Great movies, but D'Mato's Emmanuelle movies were some of the best of the franchise Edited by - celluloidferox on 8/16/2010 6:43:33 PM
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Posted - Aug 18 2010 : 4:25AM
I agree about Jess Franco, but I've never cared for D'Amato's films outside of them as camp. Everyone behaves like zombies in his movies, whether there are zombies in them or not.
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 2:16PM
^^^Wes Craven's "The Hills have Eyes" suffered from the same poor special effects quality of that decade when compared to the 2006 remake. Take a step back and appreciate the plot and the determination on the part of the director to do some thing daring in the horror porn genre; it was the seventies after all. Flash, have you taken in Private's Sex City yet? This was another film where some could nitpick over the special effects but consider the budget restraints they were likely up against. Take a step back and appreciate the artistic vision of the director; this was a very bold movie which maximized the comic book violence of its inspiration to capture its audience with sexual violence. The scene where Jessica Alba's heroic character gets raped and sodomized by Nick Stahl's villanous character but maintains that determined look of defiance and perseverance in her beautiful eyes throughout the entire ordeal probably secured the AVN for Sex City that year. Flash, this is another example of how elements of horror porn have been successfully recognized by the academy despite depicting controversial sexual violence like attempted murder, felony murder(rape) and sodomy. Squealer ~ AVN winner Cry Wolf ~ AVN winner Texas Vibrator Masssacre ~ AVN nominee Sex City ~ AVN winner Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/20/2010 2:19:55 PM Edited by - Young Herschel on 8/20/2010 2:21:55 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 4:42AM
It's not about the special effects, I love 70s horror films and would disagree that the modern films effects are even superior in any meaningful way. D'Amato's films are incompetent on a much more basic level than cheap sfx: they're boring. But I respect where you're coming from Young Herschel. My statements about D'Amato aren't intended to derail this thread.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 9:16PM
Thanks Flash, I wasn't sure if I was OT or not. Sex City sounds interesting YH, I may check it out soon. I liked Cry Wolf quite a bit, but I think it's closer to a thriller-porn than horror-porn, although scenes of rape obviously has horrific elements, like in the classic Anna Obsessed.
The one I saw was Nightmare on Porn Street. Pretty funny. Best part would be Britt Morgan telling Eddy (Randy Spears) who's boss at the end of the flick. Ain't no doubt that woman is from Tyler, Texas. I still have the VHS tape here. If you ever get on a porn horror parody kick, say the word and it's yours.
Posted - Aug 4 2010 : 10:18PM
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