A man should be able to do it on his own. If you dick rubbin, your stuff is too small, If you are leaning on each other, you ain't man, or strong enough to bring the heat, and if any other limbs are touching, I suggest you get out of porn and work it out with Dr. Phil.

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Dude, ladies, gentlemen, a dick touching a dick does not gay make. But that's just my humble opinion. Gay means you are sexually aroused and attracted to other men. Getting a blowjob from a hot chick at the same time as a good buddy and our dicks happen to rub together? So what, so what, so what, you boring little cunt!

Maybe I'm the freak here, but incidental contact doesn't bother me in the least. Seeking out the affection and physical contact of a man defines homosexual. If my dick is in the missus' pussy while a buddy is in her ass and our balls slap together -- so what, so what, so you boring little fuck!

Jesus Christ; challenge me. I know I'm right here. Be less worried about touching man meat than questioning your entire sexuality!

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I like to think that I'm pretty reasonable and open-minded about sex, and am comfortable with the idea that in simultaneous, multiple partner sex, things can and do happen.

But from my seat, what Lee-O described after he went bold , WAS NOT "incidental" contact. The girl had taken the two dicks and was deliberately rubbing the heads against each other for her visual enjoyment. Apparently, if I understand Lee-O correctly, this also appeared to be sexually gratifying, or at a mimimum non-repulsive to Tom and Joey. But the point is, the girl was no longer the source of the sexual stimulation that the guys appeared to be enjoying, but she seemed to be but a conduit for the act.

For me, the guys deriving pleasure from the deliberate act of rubbing their dicks together, whether they do it themselves, or whether a girl does it for them, constitutes homosexual activity. While I certainly don't think that Byron and Silvera are homosexual, and wouldn't care if they were, I think the distinction is important. This is something that the girl did on her own in the heat of the moment, and as far as I know, this wasn't pre-planned by the boys. They didn't initiate the activity, and as they were also aroused and caught up in the moment, (not to mention they were professional porn stars of some repute), they probably didn't sweat it too much.

But it's not that much of a leap for a scenario to be envisioned where straight guys, in a straight but cutting edge flick, (say a Mason joint?}, could have that as part of the script while engaged in a b\g\b. Say a dominating Ariana Jollee ordering a Brandon Iron and Erik Everhard to caress, stroke, or otherwise stimulate each other while, or before they work the shit out of her. Not your basic, bi-boy, "I'd just as soon put it in his ass as hers", stuff, but the kind of stuff that lets Mason be Mason , and has earned her the reputation she has.

For people that are not prepared for this, or don't want this in their "straight" porn, this could be problematic and they probably shouldn't have it sprung on them.

I really don't care about arms and legs getting entangled in gang bangs, or balls contacting balls in dp's, or even guys cumming on other guys in orgies. I've seen all those things in straight porn and never thought twice about it meaning anything more than it was. But the psychological and philosophical aspect of the males being physically stimulated and gratified by contact with each other and not by the girl, changes the equation. I probably would have been somewhat unnerved as Lee-O was, not because I'm homophobic, but because that's not what I wanted, or paid to see. If I wanted that, I know what part of the porn store to go to to get it.

It's probably not a big deal, and I certainly don't think any less of anyone involved, but I think there is a point to be made here.

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Point is, there's no bright line here- is getting the guy's ass involved (even if only by other women) "gay?" Is a DP "gay?" How about DAP/DPP? Swordfights in the mouth? Or the ever popular male on male oral sex?

Pretty much everyone will have said "yes" at some point on that list. However, it's also likely that someone will have said "yes" to every single one of those points.

Trying to draw a line is pointless, just like trying to define porn/not porn or obscenity. It's much easier to just hit fast forward.

Do it for the children!

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Don't know whom you are referring to, since you use the phrase "some of you people would...", when making your generalizations, but since I disagree with the illustrations you present, I'll offer an opinion.

In common usage, "gay" is a euphemism for homosexual. "Homosexual" requires two basic components. The obvioous, two people of the same sex, and the implied "willingness". (If a man gets raped in prison by another man against his will, that doesn't make him gay.)

So all of the examples you provide with the exception of male on male oral sex do not meet the definition of "gay". At least, not mine.

I've found being rimmed by a girl an erotic and pleasurable experience, and I enjoy seeing it in my porn. Additionally, if some guy likes to have his girl strap on a unit and fuck him up the ass, I view that as a sexual practice between consenting adults, without any bearing on his or her sexual orientation. Women have stuck their fingers up my ass and I never once considered myself gay.

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Right. But even in this thread, we're seeing some of the "DAP/DPP is gay" line of argument.

I wasn't making any sort of declaration, just noting that different people draw the line at different places, and thus any attempt to complain about "not-gay" vs. "gay" activities in porn is doomed to failure.

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Got it. Understood.

No harm, no foul.

Play on.

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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Besides, you can't work in adult doing multi=partner scenes and not be a LITTLE bit homo. It just comes with the turf. Everybody knows that. Embrace your inner cocksucker. You'll feel better in the morning. Girls like a guy whose just a little "sensitive," ya know -- like a best girlfriend who just happens to have a fat cock!

It's just common sense.

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Edited by - lordasmus on 8/21/2004 4:02:22 AM

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I wasn't repulsed or upset . Just surprised at an act which must be a serious rage inducer to some porn punters - just check out CC's post in News and Nonsense - so can the 'fucking stupid' comments please .

Thanks bud . From the very heart of my bottom .

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The first one above might be a little confusing. But, life really is a matter of perceptions. A racial slur is demeaning to some, funny to others. Does that make it right or wrong? Again, that depends on your perceptions. So, the way a person views a given situation is really the only thing that matters. This is why we have war, both verbal and physical.

Is gay sex in prison gay? The way I hear it, it's only gay if you are a willing catcher. If you don't mind opening your mouth, or bending over, that's gay. The rapist isn't considered gay, and accusing him of so would get you raped and then killed, not necessarily in that order.

But, to recap, it's gay if you think it's gay (I can already hear the argument on this one), Or it's gay if the participants think it's gay.

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I will say that the idea of complaining that it seems "gay" that a girl starts rubbing the heads of 2 cocks together during a double blowjob scene without the guys freaking out seems to ignore the endless cock-against-cock contact that occurs in each and every DP scene. I mean we're talking one entire cock rubbing up against another entire cock inside a girls pussy or ass. This stuff goers on in so many movies these days it's almost de rigueur, i.e. required in porn.

So, thanks to Lee O for staring this thread - my only question to him is - How was the rest of the film? After reading about the "gay" scene in question, I'd like to know if the rest of the film justifies buying it!

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If this act and others troughout the movie were of a similar type, and there was more than 1, then perhaps its not a straight movie.

As for whether it was gay or not - in my opinion, no. When movies are made, most of what you watch is made for as wide an audience as possible (as you can see by the replies you got - some like it others do not).

This scene freaked you out. There might be some that do not, and would totally scare the bee-jesus out of me.

Different strokes for different folks. So to speak.

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Incidentally I intend keeping the film . The part of the scene in question though is useless to me as jack off fodder - not complaining , just commenting .

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I just happened to be quoting "So What?" lyrics since I had posted them in a "Favorite Lyrics" poll earlier in the day. Perhaps I should have italicized them; it was the third beer. No offense intended, mate.

I didn't answer the question, though. Where do I draw the line? I know it wouldn't arouse me to watch guys suck each other off, but it does arouse me to see a woman with two men any which way they can all get things syncopated including any and all incidental contact between friends, except DPP or DAP (it just looks awkward and uncomfortable for everyone involved to me, and no - I'm not knocking anyone who's a fan of it).

It's not a woodkill, though. Man eating man ass or sucking or fucking each other would give me pause - it's now gay or bi straight up. If that's what I was expecting, then fine, but don't surprise me!

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Just my luck! How the hell could Tracy have been so frickin' hot and be underage at the same time? I'm always amazed when I hear about some of the things she did in her movies. I remember seeing some clips back in the early 80s (I think), but now her movies are long gone.

I wonder if there are excepts from this flick out there somewhere on the net? (Just wondering, mind you!)

The search continues...

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But taking those things into mind, here's where I draw the line of what's I like, and what I consider to be a homosexual act: I like pretty much anything, including watching gay sex. What do I consider a homosexual act? I guess 2 guys willingly interacting with each other that includes penetration of some sort (oral, anal). Or one of the guys getting more aroused by looking at another guy.

Like I said, maybe I'm jaded, but I've been seeing 2 dicks in 1 girls mouth for awhile now, especially in BJ series'.

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So, no luck getting this rare double-blowjob-rubbing-cockheads-together scene.

Maybe if I petition Jules Jordan, Mike John, Brandon, et al, enough, they can make this happen. Can't hurt

Oh, and thanks to Tricia for her feedback - yes double blowjobs per se are no longer rare, but being jaded myself, I tend to want such scenes to get a little more adventurous.

Just to reiterate, cocks are constantly rubbing against each other internally all the time during DPs and double blowjobs. What would be so wrong to see it happening in full view?

Edited by - Cumwhipper on 8/21/2004 4:21:59 PM

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Thanks for your words cumwhipper - this is exactly the same what I feel! So I petition the pornlords with prayer: Give us such DBRCTS 'double-blowjob-rubbing-cockheads-together scenes'!!!
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But please warn us first!!

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Why are we splitting hairs here?

I have no problems with gay people, in fact I have a few friends who are. And I'm sure they would tell you that two guys getting off while a chick rubs their dick together would be considered at least a little gay. If I did it, I would consider myself gay and I wouldn't be in denial about it.

I think alot of people who watch porn on a regular basis really do become jaded. They see so much over-the-top shit that a little rub of the dick seems like such small potatoes. But in the "real" world, two guys enjoying their dicks being rubbed together is gay, and not the most outrageous porn viewing or anyone's opinion will change that for me.

Just my humble opinion...

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And since they already do tolerate it (and I assume you're not ready to say that virtually all the male talent in porn willing to participate in DPs and double-blowjobs is gay), then why for god's sake can't it be done outside the woman's mouth, ass, or pussy?

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Either way, it's all a little too "happy" for me. But it's not like I expect these men who make their living being manly, macho men to come right out and say they love penis.

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Not to split pubic hairs here, but I'm not talking about the guys enjoying or not enjoying their dicks rubbing together. Merely that they tolerate it, like they already do in virtually every DP and double-blowjob you see in porn.

And since they already do tolerate it (and I assume you're not ready to say that virtually all the male talent in porn willing to participate in DPs and double-blowjobs is gay), then why for god's sake can't it be done outside the woman's mouth, ass, or pussy?

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What is the point of making porn for straight guys that shows guys rubbing dicks? Why not just watch gay porn?
I prefer to see as little of the guys as possible.

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