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rjk13
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Posted - May 17 2003 : 8:16AM
For the last few weeks, I have been getting a steady barrage of Messenger Service popups, especially when I am on ADT. Most of them are from sites that want me to purchase their product to block out future annoying popups - average price 25 dollars.

This seems like downright blackmail to me. Send me money and I won't bother you anymore.

For all the time I spend on the Internet, I don't know diddly about the behind the scenes stuff. What is the best way to get rid of this trash?

The Wanderer All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 17 2003 : 10:39AM
See answers below...


Edited by - The Wanderer on 5/18/2003 7:04:54 PM

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 17 2003 : 12:14PM
Check this out.
Flash All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 17 2003 : 1:36PM
I had that problem too for a while and it drove me nuts trying to figure out how to stop it, but Hardware has posted the correct way to prevent it from happening anymore. Ad-aware 6 won't help you with the messenger problem as messenger is a part of Windows that can't be removed.
DenverDon
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Posted - May 17 2003 : 3:01PM
That's fine for Windows XP.

How about Win2k?

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BadKarma
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Posted - May 17 2003 : 10:53PM
rjk13, there's a few things you can do:

1. Check your browser settings, and see if it will block popups. I use Opera, and it seems to block popup windows pretty well.

2. Use a spy removal program on a regular basis, and keep it updated. I use 'SpyBot - Search and Destroy'. It wipes out all sorts of tracking cookies, stealth Windoz registry settings, etc.

3. Use a personal firewall, which can block popups. I use ZoneAlarm Pro, which has settings to block web bugs, private headers, and banner ads, etc. The nice thing about ZoneAlarm Pro is that you can tune it for particular websites.

4. If have broadband, and have a hardware firewall or firewall/router, you can create a domain blocking list, which will block all the crap traffic at the firewall. (If you have broadband with no firewall, then your suicidal.)

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Jeff @ IAFD All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 18 2003 : 12:45AM
What you're experiencing isn't web related at all.

DenverDon, the KB article works for all versions of Windows NT -- 4.0, 2K and XP (Home and Pro).

What I would be more concerned with is the gaping hole in your firewall which is allowing this traffic in.

Go to http://www.grc.com and follow the links to ShieldsUP and see what it says. My guess is it will return the name of your computer, perhaps any shares or printers you have set up and the like.

The Windows Messenger service uses port 135 to communicate, and it may also use 137 and 139 for NetBIOS lookups, I don't recall off the top of my head.

In any event, AdAware ain't gonna help -- you need a firewall of some sort. If you're on a dial-up, download a free copy of ZoneAlarm and keep it running when you're on-line. It will block all incoming traffic and monitor outbound traffic as well.

If you have a cable modem, invest $100 in a hardware router. Linksys routers are as plug-and-play as they come... just remember to change the default password.

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Posted - May 18 2003 : 12:46AM
The problem he is discussing isn't caused by adware on the inside of the computer, it's caused by someone on the outside sending a message to the windows messenger. Back when I had the problem and found the answer the site I found it on (don't remember which one anymore) said it was caused by the message being send to groups of IP numbers. To solve the problem he'll have to turn off the Windows messenger. Unforunately I don't know how to turn it off for Windows 2K.
DenverDon
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Posted - May 18 2003 : 12:50AM
Adult Movie FAQ,

Thanks for the info.

DenverDon

Jeff @ IAFD All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 18 2003 : 10:21AM
That's putting a band-aid on a cut artery. You may stop the bleeding, but there are larger issues.

Shutting off the Messenger service (not to be confused with Windows Messenger, the IM client) in Win@K is simple. Click Start, Settings, Control Panel. Go into Administrative Tools, click on Services. Scroll down until you find the "Messenger" service; open the properties box, and change the status to MANUAL. Click OK. While you're at it, you can right click on it and choose "STOP" (or just reboot)

HOWEVER, all this will do is stop the boxes from popping up, it will NOT do anything about the security risk of having an unsecured computer on the internet. All the security holes are still there; just the manifestation of them will be hidden.

Get a firewall. ZoneAlarm is free, use it.

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Posted - May 18 2003 : 12:40PM
Zone Alarm is an excellent software firewall (I use it); however, I firmly believe that anyone on a braodband connection to the internet should have a good hardware firewall as well. Two of the best I've encountered are incorporated in inexpensive routers which have the added advantage of offering multiple connections. automatic DHCP services, and print services (shared network printing) in addition to the excellent firewall protection. One (the Netgear) even includes an 802.11b wireless access point - great for portable notebook computers.
  • US Robotics USR8000A - router, firewall, 4-port 10/100 switch, print server (about $65 at cdw.com)
  • Netgear FM114P - router, firewall, 4-port 10/100 switch, print server, 802.11b wireless access point (about $160 at newegg.com)
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Posted - May 18 2003 : 3:04PM
Firewalls are definitely required on broadband, always-on, connections, however they are less of a requirement for dial-ups. Your behavior on the Internet plays a large part in your vulnerability. If you stay online for long periods of time, frequently download files, participate in peer-to-peer nets (including instant messagin) or visit questionable (pay for porn) sites, then a firewall is a requirement. If you stick with major sites and avoid risky behavior, then you can dialup with little risk of infection. However, if you don't know your risks, then you'd better get a firewall. I also recommend ZoneAlarm for the less technically inclined; furthermore, I agree that grc.com is an excellent site. Mr. Gibson knows his stuff.
rjk13
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Posted - May 18 2003 : 4:19PM
Thanks for all the responses.

I checked out Hardwares link and followed all the directions. I also clicked on "block all messages" on my browser preferences. Strangely, I am still getting message popups. Went back to doublecheck and I seem to have the correct settings.

Also when I checked ZoneAlarm's site, they were charging $49.95.

joeblow69
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Posted - May 18 2003 : 5:02PM
It looks like Hardware's link only describes how to disable the Windows Messaging Program. You need to disable the Windows messaging Service. Follow Adult Movie FAQ's advice, above.

You can get the free version of Zone Alarm here.

Edited by - joeblow69 on 5/18/2003 5:10:11 PM

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Posted - May 18 2003 : 6:55PM
Feh, I think I did get the wrong link. Adult Movie FAQ is correct.


Edited by - hardware on 5/19/2003 10:07:41 AM

 
Jeff @ IAFD All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 19 2003 : 1:04AM
Just for the record, I'm a computer consultant to small bsuinesses by trade, so my job is helping my clients set up and secure their networks... I've seen the Messenger spam quite a lot, and the installation of a firewall does the trick; the Messenger service is actually quite useful in a network environment.

To me, running Zone Alarm, even on a dial-up, is not a bad thing. You are still vulnerable to attack on a dial-up; speed's not the issue... and the dial-up IP blocks are just as easily scanned as any other.

Just remember -- when you get a firewall (the ones GS recommended are great) CHANGE THE ADMIN PASSWORD. I can't tell you how many sites I've walked into, loaded a web browser, typed in the gateway address and typed the default Linksys password and gained entry into their system. :-\

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Posted - May 19 2003 : 10:17AM
And I'm a network engineer for a large outfit. I don't disagree with you, I simply like things in perspective. As you say, speed is not the issue, accessibility is. However, with Zone Alarm being freely available it's a no-brainer to get it and use it.

Dial-up IP blocks are easily scanned if they are from the public IP net. Smarter providers use private nets (see RFC 1918) which are inaccessible from outside the domain.

Jeff @ IAFD All-Star Supporter
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Posted - May 19 2003 : 2:15PM
Who are the "smarter" providers? I'm not aware of anyone giving you a NAT'd "private" IP address when you dial-in... certainly none of the majors -- Earthlink, AOL, etc. do this unless they've changed policies recently...

You'd think they ISPs would play this up if this were the case. I know I'd rather use an ISP if they did this...

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Posted - May 19 2003 : 2:39PM
Yes, unfortunately it's the little local fish that do this, not the majors.
BadKarma
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Posted - May 19 2003 : 11:25PM
Good advice from all ...

As Bruce Schneier says "Security is a process, not a product."

The first step is to apply all security patches provided by your OS vendor. Microsoft makes a bunch of free tools for Windoz to analyze then download and apply patches.

I believe you absolutely need a personal firewall, even for dialup. ZoneAlarm has a free version.

For broadband, LinkSys has excellent products. NetGear also makes broadband routers with integrated firewalls with stateful packet inspection.

When you ready to dig deeper, try www.sans.org. They have a free "reading room" containing papers detailing security best practices.

Also, The Center for Internet Security (www.cisecurity.org)
provides a free OS security scoring tool, which will examine your OS and give you a list of vulnerabilities, and optionally lock it down. Use the CIS lockdown tools with caution, as they really lockdown the machine. My Windows2000 laptop takes much longer to startup and shutdown with the CIS tool applied, since its checking so many more things. Its fine once its booted though.

And remember, be careful out there ....

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Hope this helps.

rjk13
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Posted - May 23 2003 : 2:31PM
I got home from travels last night, followed Adult Movie FAQ's directions and used JB69s link to download ZoneAlarm. I am happy to report I am message free. Thanks to all for their input. It was an education.



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