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Renee
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765 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 4:22PM
Here's a question for HTML experts - does the coding for the encircled R trademark symbol only work for certain fonts? In my HTML book that I have, it says that if you type '&reg.' or '&#174', your webpage will print up the circled R. I tried this on the ADT write a review page, and it does work, at least in the Verdana font.

The reason I'm asking isn't related to writing reviews. I'm writing an article for a knitting magazine. One of the online yarn vendors wants to send me some yarn that is made from Tactel nylon, whose name is trademarked by the DuPont company. DuPont ordered this vendor to stop using the word Tactel without the encircled R. The yarn vendor told me that the font used on their website doesn't allow them to display the circled R. DuPont told them to hire a website consultant to fix the problem. The yarn vendor is a small company, and doesn't have a lot of money to hire consultants.

Anyway, you can have a look at the webpage I'm talking about:
http://www.artfibers.com/YARN/catalog/ribbon_romance_2/Catnap/catnap.html

Read to the bottom of the page, to see what's going on with the fonts. Thanks. (P.S.: I didn't tell the yarn vendor I'd be posting this question on ADT)

cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 4:46PM
One top of the head answer: embed a tiny graphic (.gif, .jpg or .png) of the trademark symbol there.

Another: change fonts, say to Verdana, for the duration of that single character and then change back.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 5:39PM
I downloaded a copy of the html and added in both ® and ® and it worked. It looks like they're using tahoma font for the grey box and that's the correct character code

Here's a reference page on the subject and here's a faster Mirror with reference to all the known HTML and CSS commands and concepts. (VERY handy)


Edited by - oatmeal on 2/11/2005 5:40:11 PM

Kperv
The Cuddler

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(She slipped)

1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 5:45PM
C60's font temporary font selection should work.
Am I supposed to see anything wrong? It looks fine here.

I tried the '& #174' thing with a bunch of fonts, and I had to use some obscure ones to find any without support for the circled R.

If I save the catnap page, and put in '& #174' after 'tactel', it works just fine here.
Apart from the missing pictures and the new character, it looks exactly the same as the original, so there are no style sheets messing about with the layout.

The page doesn't specify any font faces until well after 'tactel'. I suppose it just uses the browser's default font for rendering the part with 'tactel'.

Harri Patel
Senior Member

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5110 Posts
3/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 8:26PM
Why is it that when I try to use "&reg" in a reply, the circled R comes through in the message preview, but not when I post the message?

Edited by - Harri Patel on 2/11/2005 8:30:26 PM

 
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 8:33PM
html code stripped out or ignored?
Harri Patel
Senior Member

#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele
5110 Posts
3/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 8:40PM
Tactel®
Harri Patel
Senior Member

#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele
5110 Posts
3/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 8:46PM
Hold down the Alt key and type 0174 (on the numeric keypad).
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 9:18PM
Oatmeal's© Hot Lunch®
Drew Black
broken crankshaft

8009 Posts
9/99
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 9:55PM
I must have two different code-stripping functions running on the two pages. That's an oops.
Renee
Member

765 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 9:58PM
Thanks for all the replies. So, the name of the font they are using is 'tahoma'? I'll double check that with the yarn vendor to make certain that's its name.

I think the vendor got scared when Big Bad DuPont told them they'd have to hire a website consultant, like this would all cost a lot of money. If DuPont is like any other big company, they probably contract out all their website work, then get charged way more than is reasonable for the what gets done.

I should email this thread to the good folks at DuPont's Tactel division, and let them know a bunch of porn fans solved this momentous problem. Then we should bill DuPont for all the work.

Kperv
The Cuddler

*struck
(She slipped)

1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 4:09AM
Yes... and no.

They specify "Tahoma" (one of a group of very nice fonts Microsoft had made to improve web readability a few years ago), in a few places on that web page.
A few other places they specify "Papyrus".

For most of the page they simply use whatever the browser's default font is.

Try setting your browser's default font to "Courier" and you'll see what I mean.

If the yarn vendor people themselves can't see the circled R if they put it in, they must have their browser setup to use a font that doesn't support that character.

An easy solution is to simply specify "Tahoma" for the page as a whole.

That knitting business really is cut-throat isn't it?

Lee O
Forearm Trainer

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1193 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 7:45AM
What if you don't have a numeric keypad ?
Renee
Member

765 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 9:50AM
Cobalt60 recommended just changing the font for that one encircled R character. So I tried that.

I typed in, on the ADT write a review page, the following to compare:

Tactel&#174

Tactel&#174

But both looked the same. Am I doing something wrong?

Kperv, both the textile and the yarn businesses are cutthroat. There isn't much profit margin in either. There are way too many yarn vendors, and with the Internet , the numbers have gone even higher. Not so different from the porn business.

Just like there are now too many so-called 'directors' in porn, there are too many knitwear designers who decide they must have their own lines of yarns with their names all over it. Doesn't matter if they know anything about the yarn spinning business.

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 9:58AM
Just like cheap dye, it'll all come out in the wash (and turn your undie pink).

-T.C.

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Kperv
The Cuddler

*struck
(She slipped)

1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 10:05AM
Should be something like < font face="Tahoma" > ...

BTW, I miss the bunny avatars.

Renee
Member

765 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 5:18PM
Kperv,

What you suggested worked. When I typed in

Tactel&#174


Tactel&#174


Tactel&#174


The first gave everythink in Verdana, the second gave just the encircled R in Times New Roman, and the third gave all the text and the encircled R in Times New Roman.

Tony C, yes, there have been dye problems with some of these yarns. As well as too many knots, excessive fuzzing, uneven strands, etc. But if a knitter has the gall to complain on a message board, some of these designers will throw a 'Jewel' type fit (hope she isn't reading this).

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 5:22PM
What makes you think a prima donna knitting designer cum yarn monger is going to be reading the tech section of a porn board?

-T.C.

Bill All-Star Supporter
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5334 Posts
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Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 5:37PM
Chicken. What's the matter, you don't want her to wish an HIV infection on you too?

Edited by - Bill on 2/12/2005 5:41:44 PM

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