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*Mutt*
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8/03
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 8:00PM

This afternoon AIM made public another of the girls in the first generation list that had worked with Darren James has tested HIV positive. AIM did not reveal the girl's name because all the people that this girl worked with subsequent to her contact with Darren James were already on the quarantine lists.

This does not make sense to me - now that this un-named girl has tested postive it is necessary to build a new list of performers who worked with her, including a first generation list that AIM does know about, they show up already on the quarantine list as 2nd generation. BUT the important thing that AIM 'seems' to be missing is that some of those people on that second generation list now have moved up to first generation risks because they worked with the un-named HIV positive girl. Which means a second generation list needs to tracked of people who worked with this girl's first generation contacts - if these people do exist they are not any list yet and should be. Unless AIM has already tracked down all the people who worked with this girl and gotten the names of all the people they worked with, these would be third generation people who today became second generation.

I am looking at the list of people this new un-named HIV positive girl worked with and there are several people on it. I do not believe AIM has a list of all those people and if they don't then it is imperative that those people are notified they are now second generation risks and that list made public.

Does this make sense to anybody? Why would this girl, whom I now see has been revealed as Jessica Dee, be treated any different than Laura Roxx?

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 8:37PM
Apparently, it makes sense to AIM and Sharon Mitchell. Unfortunately, it appears that there were no logic classes required for Sharon to attain her bogus Phd.
valjean4876
Member

953 Posts
3/04
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 11:15PM
That's a good point. I thought the exact same thing. In the perfect world it is because she already has made a list three, four, or maybe five generations out in case this happened.

ValrieVomit
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118 Posts
3/04
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 11:28PM
The problem is you are using logic to figure out what AIM is doing. After a week and half of calm, I am afraid this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Max Booty
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New Orleans
484 Posts
6/03
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 11:53PM
I hate to beat a worn out drum here but isn't it time the industry steps forward, provides some leadership and puts together a better alternative to AIM? I realize that no one is in an easy position here but would it not make a lot of sense to have actual doctors running this and providing information & guidance?

Max Booty
"She smells like angels ought to smell."
Frank Miller, Sin City

 
Saki
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Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 12:16AM
[moderator hat on]
Is there any reason why another thread had to be opened? I think this could have been expressed in the other anti-AIM.
[moderator hat off]

So which is it: did the industry collectively not care that AIM was the only line of defense between disease and regulation -- or is a case of a 9/11 style Monday morning wake-up call?

Seems like no one cared or would put up the money before. Now there's a good chance that something will have to be done.

- Saki [faqs]

fjackyx
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4/04
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 12:23AM
please let us put a stop to the ignorance being spewed forth on this message board. AIM HEALTHCARE HAS TWO OR THREE DOCTORS (REAL M.D. DOCORS) ON THEIR STAFF. the clinic known as aim has been closely monitored by the couny health department since its inception. Dr. Kerndt, the head of the LOs Angeles county health department, is fully aware of the type of tests being used (pcr/dna) and has on several occasions made public statements in full support of the procedures and protocols that aim has to follow. as a government official it is his DUTY to enforce regulations regarding the health and safety of the public in general. it should come as a surprise to nobody that any government agency would have to advocate the use of condoms to prevent the spread of STD's not just HIV.
HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE HERE EVER LOOKED AT AN ACTUAL AIM RESULT. LOOK VERY CAREFULLLY IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER WHERE IT SAYS AIM HEALTHCARE
COLIN HAMBLIN M.D.

DR. COLIN HAMBLIN IS THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF AIM. HE IS A VERY GOOD VERY DEDICATED MAN AND I THINK THAT ANY SUGGESTION THAT AIME IS NOT BEING RUN BY PROFFESIONALS IS A DIRECT ATTACK ON DR. HAMBLIN NOT SHARON MITCHELL.
NOW IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE YOUR ATTACKS I SUGGEST YOU DO A LITTLE RESEARCH FIRST. this is directed to MAX BOOTY.


BUT I GUESS A BUNCH OF YOU WOULDNT GET ANY ATTENTION IF YOU HAD TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.

AS ADOLPH HITLER WAS VERY FOND OF SAYING "IF YOU REPEAT A LIE OFTEN ENOUGH AND LOUD ENOUGH SOONER OR LATER THE MASSESS WILL BELIEVE IT IS TRUE"

as MUTT wrote somewhere on this board regarding when, who and how jessica dee was innformed of this tragic situation.
'I DONT KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT ALL WENT DOWN, EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS TOLD' etc............THATS RIGHT. NOT ONLY DO YOU NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED YOU DON NOT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST CLUE WHAT SO EVER HAPPENED. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THE PEOLE CAUGHT UP IN THIS SITUATION THAT NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY THESE PEOPLE WANT IT.


for gods sake people, show some compassion,intelligence and respect for the people who have had their lives turned upside down and inside out by this life changing event.

as a great man once said"CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG"
i have a sense of humor too

Edited by - fjackyx on 4/30/2004 12:36:35 AM

Edited by - fjackyx on 4/30/2004 12:37:12 AM

Saki
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Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 12:53AM
Welcome, fjackyx. It's not necessary to SHOUT--in fact, it tends to detract from your message.

- Saki [faqs]

fjackyx
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4/04
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 12:56AM
thanks for the welcome...this is a very emotional issue and i think its about time that the right people start shouting to drowned out the sources of misinformation
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Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 1:01AM
Welcome to the forums, fjackyx. As you say, this subject raises emotions, but please adhere to the Forum Etiquette and don't type in all caps. Shouting will not drown out the 'misinformation,' it will simply get you banned as a bad hat. Calm rebuttal with facts and sources is the order of the day. Thanks.
Max Booty
Member

New Orleans
484 Posts
6/03
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 1:40AM
DR. COLIN HAMBLIN IS THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF AIM. HE IS A VERY GOOD VERY DEDICATED MAN AND I THINK THAT ANY SUGGESTION THAT AIME IS NOT BEING RUN BY PROFFESIONALS IS A DIRECT ATTACK ON DR. HAMBLIN NOT SHARON MITCHELL.
NOW IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE YOUR ATTACKS I SUGGEST YOU DO A LITTLE RESEARCH FIRST. this is directed to MAX BOOTY.

Thanks for informing me. I stand corrected. I get all my information about the porn industry through these boards and I missed that information. You are right, I should done more research. I will argue with you that I wasn't making an attack. Like everyone else on the outside these past few weeks, I've been watching the events unfold with a mixture of shock & concern. I won't apologize for asking the questions I have recently because they do come from a sincere place.


BUT I GUESS A BUNCH OF YOU WOULDNT GET ANY ATTENTION IF YOU HAD TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.

The last thing I'm looking for or need, is extra attention and I speak the truth as I know it. Clearly I can't know everything and welcome any & all information from as many sources as possible.

AS ADOLPH HITLER WAS VERY FOND OF SAYING "IF YOU REPEAT A LIE OFTEN ENOUGH AND LOUD ENOUGH SOONER OR LATER THE MASSESS WILL BELIEVE IT IS TRUE"

That is just rude & out of bounds.
Welcome to the forum.

Max Booty
"She smells like angels ought to smell."
Frank Miller, Sin City

Edited by - Max Booty on 4/30/2004 2:34:40 AM

Rob Longshot
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146 Posts
2/04
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 2:42AM
i understand why fjackyx is so upsaet though... i am a staunch supporter of AIM and i also find myself upset by the lies spouted about them...

as i have said though... i am going to only be positive for now.... just to cut through all the negative bullshit.

but i applaud fjackyx for what he has stated... maybe now some of these people can see the truth.

JackPoint
Former CFO and Business Editor, AVN

21 Posts
4/04
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 3:07PM
To respond to fjackyx: Look, pal, these things are NOT all-or-nothing. You can support and criticize AIM, just as I support and criticize my former employer AVN (and one of the things I criticize them for is unquestioning support for AIM), you can enjoy Michael Jackson's music while also thinking that he is a dangerous psychotic child raper who should be behind bars for the rest of his life. It is possible for most of us to hold more than one idea in our heads simultaneously.

The concept of AIM is great, the disclosure models and protocols are great, and Sharon Mitchell has proven that she cannot follow them properly. The concept is good, the execution leaves a LOT to be desired. Let us emphasize yet again that the PRIMARY cause of this crisis has NOTHING to do with AIM and everything to do with careless and uncaring practices by producers and performers, especially while working overseas, where testing is not consistent, reliable, nor required. But that, too, does not insulate AIM from valid criticism.

To answer your question: yes, I've seen hundreds of test results from AIM, and I know several of the doctors. The quality of the doctors or the quality of the tests are not the problem. The doctors, however, are not running the administrative, PR, or reporting roles of the clinic; Mitch is - and she's botching it. There is NOTHING wrong with the medical competence of the clinic or their clinical practices. But Mitch should, MUST be replaced with a public-health care professional, preferably someone who holds both an M.D. and an M.P.H. At a guess, the difference between what AIM pays Mitch and what they would have to pay a competent and qualified director would be maybe $50,000 a year. Sounds more than worth it to me.

SyberScott
Senior Member

1462 Posts
1/03
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 3:47PM
Agree Sharon Mitchell needs to be replaced!

A better working system needs to be in place.

People's livelihoods & health are at stake!

Imcompetence can't be ignored anymore!

fjackyx
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10 Posts
4/04
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 8:57PM
hey jackpoint i fully agee that you can critizise and still support an aorganization. but what i see alot of on these boards is not critsism but outright slamming and badmouthing with no facts to back it up.

as a former employee of avn i know you have alot more knowledge of the adult buisness than i do. but as a medical proffessional i'll bet i have alot more knowledge about whats really going on here from a medical standpoint than you.

this is what can make these boards very informative..when informed individuals speak their minds..... its when uninformed individuals speak with what they claim to be authority on a subject that the real message gets lost in the dust.

keep up the good work jackpoint
i look forward to having some lively discourse with you

 
fjackyx
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Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 8:58PM
and p.s. I'M NOT YOUR PAL
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Posted - May 1 2004 : 1:56AM
This is turning into a duplicate of the other AIM thread so I'm locking it.



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