I agree there are several posts that don't make sense, however I would submit to you that your post is an opinion and is only the "truth" as you see it.

I personally don't understand why or how a pornstar's escorting would affect ones ability to enjoy her on screen performances. My view is it is her body and she can do what she wants with it. However I do see how the girls are able to draw a distinction between the two. I imagine it is quite different having sex in front of a film crew with another performer who is also being paid to have sex with you, then it is to have sex behind locked doors with random strangers who are paying a large sum of money to have you pleasure him. Think about it from the girls perspective it can be quite different, weather or not one is better or worse is another question, but it is not the same thing.

I personally agree about the titles. There are several reasons why titles like "A Cum Sucking Whore Named..." or "...AKA Filthy Whore" are offensive to me. Not only do I think it is disrespectful to the performer, but I find it disrespectful as the consumer. I realize there are probably some people out there who might love these titles, and I suppose they are entitled.

"When you are watching your movies are you concerned about respecting the male and female performers? Ya Right! "

I think you might be surprised just how many people do hold a level of respect for these performers. Why shouldn't they deserve our respect? Are you suggesting they deserve less respect than other people.

Yes I realize that names like slut, prostitute, bitch, whore, ect. are bound to be used in association with pornstars, but the connotation in which they are used can cross the line in my opinion.

Just wanted to add my two cents on this one.

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Let me put it this way I am not embarrassed to own porn, but I would be embarrassed to own a dvd with a title like those.

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I disagree with the implication that sex is somehow demeaning or degrading, especially to women. I understand that some people like it that way, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree with it. Personally, I love women and don't care to judge their worthiness based upon the sex acts they're willing to perform, on or off camera.

In regards to the "dirty talk" it is only offensive if done a-la Max Hardcore, in which case people have complained. Bear in mind that dirty talk can be done in the sense of play, in which case why would we object to it?

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Yes I am, which is one reason why I don't watch stuff made by a certain someone who will go unmentioned.

I don't like violence in porn. I don't like truly rough sex. I do like mildly rough sex when it is clear to me that the performers are indeed having fun, and it's consensual.

There are several porn starlets that I truly love, and though I might have a chance in hell at getting with them, it's my fantasy. And in my fantasy I don't slap them, hit them, or call names that begin with "W" or "S".

-If I look hard enough into the settin' sun
My love will laugh with me before the mornin' comes-

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I'll call them "Sugar, Sweetheart, Snugglebuns, Wicked, Wonderful" etc..

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I'll call them "Sugar, Sweetheart, Snugglebuns, Wicked, Wonderful" etc..

I'd call them that too... or even "wildly sugary sweet"

But for those who don't know what I meant, I meant a word that rhymes with "door", and a word that rhymes with "hut".

Hell, I call almost all of the porn starlets "girls" in my reviews, I probably get a few thoughts over that one.

-If I look hard enough into the settin' sun
My love will laugh with me before the mornin' comes-

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You said that for your tastes a guy to spitting into a girl's mouth is disgusting. That boggles my mind.

How is that disgusting when one of our favorite companies have the guy making the girl toss his salad and swallow his cum. And we (raincoaters) look for these hardcore girls who do all that with double anal, etc. For the most part that's who we really like, not the Vivid stars who don't do guys or anal.

To me, that sounds like you're saying, "Eat his shit and drink his cum, but for the love of God don't kiss him!"

It's SPIT. Not SHIT.

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For what it's worth, I don't think it's really productive to discuss double standards when it comes to porn tastes unless you really start to get down to what these acts really mean to each individual (both performers and viewers).

I don't speak for Wally, but he probably finds spitting offensive because he INTERPRETS it as offensive, whereas dirty talk, especially if the women is into it and participating, is a kind of play acting. When it comes down to it, yes, ass licking is technically dirtier than sharing saliva, but the difference here is the intent behind the the acts, and more importantly the interpretation of those acts by the viewers and the performers. Again, Wally probably has his own things to say and I don't speak for him, I can only speak for me. Just as you can only speak for you.

My point is, though, that it's not fair to discuss these acts according to how YOU interpret them, or how you THINK other people interpret them and then assume that a different act has the same meaning for everyone. You have to go to a deeper level. That goes for ass licking, pussy licking, finger licking, and yes, even the very titles of the videos that include all these things.

I'm certainly not answering your question mrpeepers. It's a very good and complex question, and I simply don't KNOW the answer, but in order to make fair comparisons, we have to start from a common ground, and that common ground is not a single person's interpretation of how much one act is more degrading than the other. Those kinds of arguments won't lead anywhere.

Just my opinion. :)

Mike L.

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Oh, and by the way, we aren't ALL escorts.

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Actually, for the number of girls that are in the biz, and get in the biz, it seems that a pretty small number actually escort. Dance, tour, go to school, have personal relationships, but not escort.

DenverDon

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Finally, I'd like to suggest that such titles are totally unnecessary to sell the product, unless there's nothing else going for it.

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I have spoken with young men who are conflicted over whether it is alright for their girlfriends to have sexual appetites, or who are dealing with serious shame for feeling that they have participated in acts that are somehow unwholesome.

Very young men feel that they are expected to leap into sex as whole, fully functioning sexual beings, but it takes them a while to get oriented. It's a disservice to young men and women to label normal sexuality as filth. It is unnecessary to market so much porn so extremely.

Nice Ladies that Enjoy Intercourse sounds tongue-in-cheek, and vaguely appealing, maybe even a little twisted. But let's not pretend it's the only alternative to "cum-sucking whore"

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since when does showing a fellow human being respect an anti-porn, puritan issue. It isn't about your morals it is about common courtesy.

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As long as the wholesome sex is explicitly displayed, it still is classified as porn.

DenverDon

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We are each seeing something different when we look at the same inkblot. Our statements tell more about ourselves than they do about porn.
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Edited by - lindi on 11/6/2002 8:57:41 PM

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Some of us are bothered by the social attitude that sex is dirty, wretched, abusive, manipulative and generally icky. Gosh, how enlightened are we?
We're bothered that businesses we think should be trying to change that social attitude by portraying sex as something acceptable and positive are more interested in making money off the status quo. Okay, we're not enlightened, we're naive.

The basic difference between being a pornographic performer and being a prostitute is that when you're a performer, you're being paid, along with your co-performer, to PERFORM. You get paid to make it LOOK good. You don't get paid to get the other performer off, you don't get paid to get the director off, and you aren't paid to be someone's therapist for an hour. You just get paid to be in front of a camera doing what you're told. It's a cooperative effort towards making a product. Prostitution isn't product oriented, it's a service industry.
I don't think there's anything wrong with prostitution. I can't think of any other thing that it is legal to give away but illegal to sell. It's obviously a social contrivance. What it's contriving to do I haven't quite made my mind up about. Placing a distinct value (money) on sexual congress could be empowering for women - which might certainly have a strong effect on our basically patriarchal society. Relieving men of the burden of commitment (relationships) would certainly rock the boat of our nuclear family oriented culture. Of course, I'm on the side of changing those things... but most people are not! The closeted sexual economy should be taken out of the dark ages of the barter system (marriage) and brought forward. Tax it, regulate it, zone it, get it out of the streets and brothels and put it on Wall Street. Demystify sex, and make the distinction between emotional caring and lust, the difference between intimacy and intercourse. Get me off this soapbox, I'm afraid of heights...

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