I don't know about you guys, but I don't like a lot of the current mainstream porn. Here are my turnoffs.
a) actresses over acting. I've fucked enough women to know what a good orgasm looks like and what is fake. A lot of porn actresses are so over the top with their acting that it isn't anywhere near realistic.
b) fake breasts. What is with the huge and/or fake breasts. Truthfully, I'd rather look at smaller real breasts than obviously fake breasts.
c) lack of pubic hair. I like a good hairy pussy, especially if the hair is full of cum.
d) lack of internal cumshots. How many of you pull out and jack off instead of driving it in hard ?
e) cum dodging/ man induced facial. I've had girlfriends that didn't like swallowing, but all of them would suck and spit or at least finish me off with a handjob. The trend of the woman sucking until the man is ready to cum and then him jacking himself off is kind of lame. I've had girlfriends jack me off onto their face and love it. If you have to hold her head, I don't really want to see it.
I'd really love to see a realistic threesome or gang video. One where the gal doesn't have fake breasts, where she is genuinely excited, not over acting. I'd also like to see the male actors treat her with respect and really give her some pleasure. I'd like to see her get simultaneous oral and vaginal loads and all the guys cum in her internally. Why isn't such a video available ?
Things I really like watching:
- realistic cum in her mouth blowjobs. - women getting fucked and giving head at the same time - getting an oral and vaginal or anal load at the same time - women having realistic orgasms - women getting dildo'd while giving head - cream pies - kissing - women kissing - enthusiasm
Another video scene I'd love to see is a many guy/ one women fuck party. Take the woman and put her in a bedroom. Take the guys and put them in the living room. Give them two scantilly clad hostests, which they are not to have sex with. Take the guys, one by one, up to the bedroom women and have them fuck her alone, cumming in her each time. Let the woman actually fuck one on one with 10 guys two times each and show us what she looks like after. The hostests can give the guys a bit of head before they fuck the bedroom women, just to warm them up. The guys should be allowed to cum as soon as they want. The woman should be allowed to select the position and have the man do whatever turns her on. I'd like to see her have about 10 real orgasms in a row. With several hours of fucking, she probably would, whether she wanted to or not.
What current porn have you seen? Sounds like you would most likely enjoy classic porn from the 70s/early 80s. Which I enjoy also; porn has of course evolved, and I would venture to say that anything you want to see you can find.
Now, I would suggest internalcumbustion4 from zero tolerance but it doesn't seem to meet all your criteria. Most websites have close to 18,000 titles. I am sure there is something out there you might like that is new (er).
In both my released and unreleased work, I have yet to shoot a couple that was not at least mostly shaved. Unless you're willing to do specialty casting, it's nearly imposible to find people who want to appear on camera who aren't shaved. It may simply be that exhibitionist like to be exposed.
Shaved beaver makes the pornographer's task of "showing the goodies" much easier – you can see the details of the woman's twat much more easily and without exaggerated, cartoon-like spreading, and it makes the guy's dick look bigger. But I'd really like to shoot a couple with pubic hard that was in the slightly trimmed to naturall range. I think it would be an interesting challange to make something that was satisfyingly pornographic, while preserving natural body movement between the subjects.
Maria and Jack looks more like what I am looking for, but I don't think it is hot enough nor long enough. Why doesn't she swallow a load or two of his ? Why don't they fool around with a dildo ? Why didn't it finish with an internal cumshot ? These things happen in real life. Maybe me and my partners haven't done a2m or stuff like that, but our lovemaking is usually a lot hotter than what is seen in most porn.
M&J is quite gentle; just cocksucking, pussy eating, and fucking, all in done in a sweet, puppydogs and butterflies manner. As far as answers to your "why?" questions, you'd have to watch the film to get hear Marie and Jack's answers.
Funny you should mention what you and your partners do. For every scene we've released or intend to release, we shoot about 5-6 non-released scenes – testing camera set ups, testing lights, testing makeup ideas, testing coverage and camera movement ideas. We do these with friends and aquaintances; they don't want to sign model releases, and we don't ask them to. Without exception their scenes have been hotter and/or nastier than what we've shot with professional sex worker couples; fisting, butffucking, hard slamming doggy with lots of hair pulling, choke-fuck 69s, etc
I think the reason is that when we shoot a proffesional couple, they see working with us as a chance to take a break from the circus-sex that is a part of their daily grind and make a document of the kind of relationship-sustaining sex that is what most married couples have most of the time. Nothing fancy, just taking care of each others' physical and emotional needs in a consise and comfortable way (if you had to commit two atheletic hours everytime you wanted to your wife/husband off, there'd be a lot of very tired married people.)
By contrast, when we work with amateurs, they see it as a chance to really kick out the stops. Having a camera crew in their bedroom is not a typical part of their sex lives, and I know it contributes to heightenning their arrousal. They feel like they've got one chance to show off all of their tricks, so we usually see their entire sexual repertoire.
You've mentioned cum eating twice. You may enjoy our next film (if it ever gets out of post.)
A lot of what people want to see in porn is NOT what they do in their private lives, thus, it features things contrary to what you might perform on a everyday basis.
As I asked prior, what current porn have you watched? I don't know if you have seen Nacho Vidal take on multiple women in Roccos Reverse Gangbang, I am unsure if you witnessed Rocco take on Judy Star and Diamond 4ever in Rocco Goes to Montreal, but these all have enormous heat factors.
If your lovemaking is hotter than what you see in porn, I am unsure what you are looking for in porn. I like seeing things in porn that are fantasy or different to what I participate in daily.
I apoligize, but are you looking to find scenes that just mirror your own sexual activity? Why not just film yourself and your woman and then watch it together?
Every suggestion I can think of doesn't fit ALL your criteria; a lot of the amateur porn with real couples stuff is low heat (which is probably because of the nerves of fucking on camera,) or very low quality. I note very often that when two people are into each other, it doesn't always read well on camera. Thus, voyeuristic porn shot from afar of a couple doesn't work well often because we feel like spectators rather than participants.
ADT is a forum of porn lovers and critics, but I am unsure if you like porn at all? Possibly, you could suggest a movie that you enjoyed prior and then it would be easier to suggest something. I am more than happy to suggest movies, but I am unsure if anything suggested here would be acceptable to you. The suggestion given to you already was shot down pretty quickly; TC has gone to great lengths to create something different from the mainstream porn world.
Again, give us ONE porn movie you liked, and then we can go from there.
I like a lot of the classics too -- they had a good place for a lot of the theatrics and costuming and scenarios they'd cook up for heaty situations. Dirty talk is good too :)!
I won't speak to the porn industry. I can tell you that M&J said they practice withdrawl for two reasons:
1) Marie (like many other women I've talked to) very much enjoys seeing the "fruits" of her efforts.
2) They value the extra margin of protect from an unwanted pregnency that it affords.
I like cum shots. I can only think of one scene that we've shot that had an internal pop – not because I require, or even ask for external pops, but because that seems to be something that people like to do, especially if a camera is present. I believe that to a large degree this is because the women we've shot like to show off the volume of jism they can summon.
Even when shooting "real couples", one has to recognize that you're not an invisible observer. Much like that poor dead (or is he alive?) cat, the presense of the photographer influences the action. The best that one can hope for is that this influence enhances the experience for all concerned; whether they be in front of the camera, behind the camera, or watching the resulting film.
I think it has more to do with the nature of a vocational pursuit vs. an avocational pursuit. When you do something creative for a living, their a two trick you need to learn or your will burn out very quickly:
1) You have to learn that you can't fullly commit yourself to every minute of every hour of every day that you're on the job. You have to know when really giving yourself can make a difference, and when you just need to go with the flow.
2) You have to learn some gimmicks – a few go-to moves that will get you through the day when you can't find a "real" reason to do what you're doing.
Authentic moments are great, but you can't make a profession out authentic moments; they're too rare and unreliable to count on them to pay a mortgage, health insurance, etc.
What makes a pro a real pro is the ablitity to fake it so well that nobody notices!
TonyC: I don't mean to be negative about your work with Maria and Jack. I think it is a definite step in the right direction. Anyone (ie me) can be a critic. I applaud your effort and I'm happy to see you listening.
You commented that you hate most porn; please watch a bit more porn before judging it and determining its all bad. I swear on my porn-filled bombshelter that its not! Amen.
Your comments-
'ALL porn should end in an internal cumshot. Isn't that the way most real sex ends ? '
-is rather absolute in reasoning. Everyone has different tastes as you have well articulated what yours are; while what you desire is definitely feasible, to assume that EVERYONE else shares your sentiments is just not true. Real sex ends when its over; thats about it. Lets not define what is real for every porn viewer because that would be impossible; we know what you like and don't. Lets move on and find it!
Did you purchase Tony C's movie or are you just looking for downloads on internet sites for free? The best stuff must be bought! Another suggestion I have is to check out Zero Tolerances' internal cumbustions series; at the very least, you will be seeing internal cumshots. I highly reccomend checking out the creampie series from XPLOR Media/Homegrown; I think you might be pleasantly surprised by this series!
You might also want to try the Features Side forum here at ADT for some more advice....Good luck!!!!
Dude I just don't see it that way. I don't believe Silvia Saint most of the time is overacting and overdoing it when she is moaning and being orgasmic. Check out the scene between her and Randy Spears in lick my legs.
I just saw a vivid movie scene with Lee Stone and Heather Lynn. You can't tell me she was overacting. If she was she needs a friggin Oscar. That was the hottest sex scene I have ever seen.
Madelyn Knight and Janine's sex scene rates as one of my all time favorite sex scenes. Now I agree their are times where I believe men and women overactin their scenes but I find this equally among men and women.
Lee Stone and Star E. Knight do not look lik ethey are faking jack in their scenes. Lee Stone is a fucking sexual beast and Ms. Knight is a nypmph beyond belief.
Kobe Tai is one of the most animalistic sexual goddesses every created. I don't feel she is faking it neither.
When I tell most guys these stars they usually agree.
However, their a ton vivid scenes that I think are very hot. I just don't get the hostility to mainstream porn.
Buddy Vivid is considered by most mainstream porn and all that nasty stuff youi are talking about happens well except the internal cumshot. Watch Raylene, Vince Voyuer and Mark Davis in a lust fest. Raylene is giving diabolic blowjob to Mark Davis. While Vince is working her with is dick straight up. Is Raylene doing this half assed to you. I don't think so. I think this scene is on the Oral compilation series with Niki Tyler and Taylor Hayes on the cover.
Let me revise my former position a little bit. I am not saying that actors not overexaggerate their sexual enjoyment by verbal expressions. I can see how wanting to perform as well enjoy sex can cause one to over exaggerate their carnal passion from time to time. Jeana Fine is a classic example of this. Sucking cock she is the all time greats but I am sorry I just don't see the 100% pure honesty in her fuck scenes. I find her vocalization very tiresome. Is she faking sex, to the degree she is projecting her enjoyment yes.
Maybe that is what footlong means by faking. However, I have seen plenty of Kobe Tai and Janine scenes were if you are faking you must be a superb actor. I have scene one scene where Janine was more performing than sexually enjoying. At times it is hard to tell but I believe without a shadow of a doubt Janine and Madelyn Knight were not faking their lesbo scenes.
Footlong is not saying all porn is fake but he believes most of it is. He is open to believing some performances are actually geniune. I am not sure if he equates certain tendencies with fakeness. I mean is someone more likely to fake if they have lower volume groans as opposed to someone who is screams. I have to see the films in which he believes geniuine sexaual heat is deliverd at the upmost integrity to understand what standards he used to evaluate what porn has real lust from both partners.
P.S. I have to be honest I find the same patterns in men performances that can be construed as faking. John Dough come on. Why should I assume he is not faking. I get it. He is a guy.
footlong, I don't think you're gonna find what you're looking for in porn. Even most so-called gonzo is just as directed and choreographed as a Hollywood musical, with the director's voice commands edited out, and most of the 'amateur' porn that I've seen has been populated by wannabe pornstars, who just mimic what the big boys are doing. I've actually seen more 'realistic' sexual moments in features, but I'm not sure if you'd like those either.
The internal pop flicks at least offer some respite from the unrelenting jerk-to-pop birdfeeder finishes, but then you must witness her desperately squeeze out each drop, or dig it out with her fingers, to offer 'proof'. It's funny, but at home all I have to do is to stand up and it goes running down my inner thighs, which is natural and sexy. I suppose this has never occured to pornographers however.
P-Knuckle's suggestion of taping your own sexual encounters is a good one, actually. My ex and I did this, and even today those tapes are hotter than any commercially made and mass produced porn, because they're REAL, which is what you're after, I think. Sure, the camera angles suck, and sometimes we're not even in the picture, lol. But if you can forget about the camera and just do what comes naturally, you'd be surprised ;)
But Dumblonde, what if we find out you're a caterwauler? What if you make Lauren Phoenix look like a deaf-mute?
As for your comment above, "...but then you must witness her desperately squeeze out each drop (of cum), or dig it out with her fingers, to offer 'proof'. It's funny, but at home all I have to do is to stand up and it goes running down my inner thighs..."
Ain't that the truth! Why is this so hard to do in a porn film? Just have the actress walk around. Or is there something strange about the consistancy/viscosity of porn guys' cum shots? Is it the Viagra that so many of these guys imbibe?
I don't know how well the caterwauling works when it's well acted (never seen it) but it's quite arrousing to see and hear footage of a woman making a big fuss because she's getting fucked or sucked so well she can't help herself.
I would hope that our presence (I'm not bad looking and my wife is drop dead gorgeous), cameras at the ready, would be an enhancement to both DB and her beloved's state of arrousal. If there was any caterwauling or other exagerated expressions of enjoyment, I expect they would "read" well, and enhance the viewer's enjoyment of the scene.
I would hope that our presence (I'm not bad looking and my wife is drop dead gorgeous,) cameras bared, would heighten both DB and her beloved's state of arrousal, and that any exagerated expressions of sexual satisfaction would read as authentic and only add to the viewers enjoyment of the footage.
As to the internal pop, we've only shot one scene with an internal pop (anal), but the rest of the action is so intesting (two fisting sequences) that I don't thing anyone who's seen it has felt disappointed that there was no cum farting or other proof that he did indeed blow a load up her ass.
I've been thinking a lot about how depict an interal cum blast in a scene that is not so over the top, while satisfyying the pornographic need to offer proof. I don't know that having Renee get up and walk around the room so we can see jism running down her legs is the answer; but I'm sure I don't want her squatting like a chicken laying an egg either.
I have some ideas for how to incorporate the "proof" in a way that is fun, sexy, and realistic. Time will tell if they're any better than the above.
As for your comment above, "...but then you must witness her desperately squeeze out each drop (of cum), or dig it out with her fingers, to offer 'proof'. It's funny, but at home all I have to do is to stand up and it goes running down my inner thighs..."
Ain't that the truth! Why is this so hard to do in a porn film? Just have the actress walk around. Or is there something strange about the consistancy/viscosity of porn guys' cum shots?
>>>> I think walking around is a great way to offer proof. Why not just let here lay there and let it drip out ? Why do the scenes have to emphasize the push out ? That isn't realistic. Walking around or letting it ooze out is.
As to the internal pop, we've only shot one scene with an internal pop (anal), but the rest of the action is so intesting (two fisting sequences) that I don't thing anyone who's seen it has felt disappointed that there was no cum farting or other proof that he did indeed blow a load up her ass.
>>> The fisting turns me off, but maybe that is just me. I'd love to see a cum fart, just like they happen in real life.
I've been thinking a lot about how depict an interal cum blast in a scene that is not so over the top, while satisfyying the pornographic need to offer proof. I don't know that having Renee get up and walk around the room so we can see jism running down her legs is the answer; but I'm sure I don't want her squatting like a chicken laying an egg either.
>>> I like the walking around. Have her sit on a stool and then stand up... squatting isn't realistic.
Walk around to do what? Get a smoke or a sandwich, and then we'll zoom in to show the jism on her leg or on the stool where she was sitting? Chasing people around with a camera just to see a little jizz isn't realistic either. In fact, it sounds pretty stoopid to me.
Porn: just cause it isn't rocket science doesn't mean it's not hard to do.
Hate is a strong word. A more appropriate word would have been "dislike".
Why does porn need "actresses" ? Why don't the directors find hot talent, give them a list of required acts, put them in a bed and let them do whatever comes natural ? Tell them to pretend they are at home, without the cameras. The woman probably has an orgasm at home. She probably doesn't get fisted. She probably sucks him off occassionally. She probably drips cum. He probably kisses her. What would be wrong with that ?
Have the couple stand up and kiss. He could reach down and finger here hole and play with the cum. I've done that with my ex... Have here put on a pair of panties and then put the camera down the front and film the cum puddle in the crotch.
Or... let them lay there a bit and have him reenter her, pushing the cum out in the process. Better yet, have another guy fuck her.
My wife never makes it from the bed to the bathroom without a cum leak. I don't know what is so hard about this.
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Posted - May 21 2004 : 12:03PM
I, personally don't usually favor internal cumshots. They are just not camera friendly. The cumshot is the climax of the scene as well as the male performer's. The way the ejaculate is usually dealt with in internal scenes always struck me as kind of stupid, but I think that one of the reasons they go foraging around in the holes is because nobody has the patience to wait for nature and gravity to do its thing. Another is that it's nasty. Not erotic or sexual nasty, just nasty. If they add an erotic component to it, like creampie eating, then they ratchet up the erotic, sexual component, but they don't do this very often and it's always in threesomes with another woman doing the honors.
Posted - May 19 2004 : 6:53PM