But Brandon Iron directed that, and you probably know, or maybe don't, that he can be rough. Sometimes it's good, most times, not.

At least it was free, right? If you bought it, I'd sell it to some schmuck who gets off on this.

- - - B-I-G-m-i-k-e, over & out! - - -

Edited by - BIGmike on 7/19/2003 1:27:06 PM

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Brandon has explained the nature of this series in the past and you can rest assured that the girls were friends of his and fully aware of the 'nature' of the production.

As for the puke scenes, again it's a fetish and stars of today, like Catalina, specialise in it.

The Slap Happy series is indeed strong so 'be warned'.

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I felt similarly about Rough Sex #2 from Anabolic when I bought it several years ago before both Rough Sex tapes were taken off the shelves for good. I watched it, and after some deliberation felt compelled to destroy it--which I did.

As Hardz says everyone has their kink... I guess this particular movie for me was just so mean spirited... so... one sided, so outwardly unforgiving that I felt to clear my concsience I would feel better if the tape was destroyed. I broke and ripped it open, made sure it was unsalvagable and threw it in the dumpster out back. $30+ down the tubes perhaps (at the time I could only order it directly from Anabolic), but at the time, I didn't care.

I don't know. I may have made a different decision today, but I would still not have it in my possession--and because of this experience, and shared experiences of others, I've never had any intention of looking at the Slap Happy series.

Everyone likes what they like, and that's ok with me. I certainly like the more dominant side of sex, but the .... attitude that movies like these bring are just way too much for me. In short, I understand how you feel PornBoy.

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I think Brandon's come a long way from those days, as some of his recent work demonstrates. And you only need watch one of Joey Silvera's recent titles to see how strong, dominant sex with BDSM vibes can be done with class, and pizazz.

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Totally agreed. I wonder how one can be so naive and buy a cassette called "Rough Sex" and expect to find don't know what else. I was given by mistake a Slap Happy video and found it boring in the slap part and really intolerable when the girls had "cunt" played on their face: whatI couldn't stand was that their face, which is the most important element of a porn video and of cinema in general, was covered with paint: just like watching a private video with women wearing masks. It makes no sense.
I also wonder if one feels the same guilty feeling when parts are reversed. A recent italian video has a girl taking a revenge against a would-be rapist by inserting hand and foot (true, not at the same time) in his asshole and pissing in his mouth. No destroyed cassettes were reported.

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Edited by - M.B. on 7/19/2003 9:28:30 PM

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I don't mind Slap Happy. I saw one of the scenes with Felony and she was even briefly interviewed and said she loved it, and would not do it if it was real. She also had the option to let Brandon know anytime she was feeling discomfort so he could stop.

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Why the hostility? I for one knew what I was getting into when I bought Rough Sex #2, at least on the surface level. I'd even seen Rough Sex #1 and already had some mixed love/hate feelings about the the "series". Most of us should be well aware by now that the boxcover and the tag lines simply don't tell the whole story of a porn movie. And for most of us, it's an extremely fine line between what turns us on and what leaves us limp or in this case, what completely upsets us. We simply can't all be expected to know simply by the perported genre of a movie whether it will work for us, especially when it comes to pushing limits or breaking barriers.

I simply don't understand why my destruction of a tape I paid for translates into my belief in censorship for the good of all. That is simply not the case, and I think I made that pretty darn clear in my last post. I'll say it again: to each their own. But to berate people like me and PornBoy for "not knowning better" or to say shame on us for going through some completely natural and human id vs. ego conflicts is just pointless and overly defensive in my opinion. The fact is, the last thing I am is ashamed of myself. That's just silly talk. :)

I'm with Skronker and vodka tonic. Of course I don't mean to speak for PornBoy, but one more time, I'll say: to each his own. Espeically in regards to porn consumption, sometimes when in search of what we want we find something that we don't. What's wrong with that? In this case my strong emotions about it prompted me to take some action. I don't see anything wrong with that either.

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[Alicia Rhodes' urine, however, I would happily mop up! ]

Same with the whole Bi-Britni element and probably a lot of Jeff Steward's stuff over at JM (though, part of me kinda likes their twisted frat-boy spirit -- I don't know why). All I know is, I want to feel like everyone is having a good time -- or at least not suffering for the short green. I certainly don't want anyone vomiting on my cock, and it's not somehting I want to pay money to watch. But it's a big world out there, so I am not one to legislate what any individual finds proper stroke material. On the other hand, I'm not gonna support it with my cash, either.

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i should be so lucky, lucky lucky lucky

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All kidding aside, I only saw one volume of SH because I hate oral-only movies but I didn't find it too shocking but maybe that's because I'm numb for these kind of things, I've seen too much already.

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PS
I know it isn't the prevailing vibe here on this thread, but I personally think Slap Happy 1-3 are hands down the best aggressive BJ series on the market. Up to that point I had never witnessed anything so intense... so real. The concept behind Slap Happy of seeing just how far these you women were willing take a scene, engaging the element of trust and submission, I found it very appealing.

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As a result, women who have been sexually abused and men who have issues with their machismo are placed in a position where others can make decisions FOR them about what is good/bad for them. Those who are without sin, those whose morals are better, those who have no issues with their machismo, those who have not been abused, THEY can make decisions about how ALL people can have sex.

PornBoy, please do not try to establish norms of behavior for facets of sexuality that you do not fully understand. Such norms can be just as harmful as that aspect of sexuality you are trying to suppress.

//Karl Wikman

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i should be so lucky, lucky lucky lucky

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"The only women that like to be treated like shit are women that were sexually abused at some point in their life."

Oh, the abuse that must have been inflicted upon me. God help me! ;)

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You have!

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"Erotic power exchange is one thing, misogyny is another."

(Thanks to Walter for documenting that one.)

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To PornoBoy, I just can say: Destroy it, if that helps you. It will symbolically purify your mind. Me, I know Dotzens of girls here, that would do about everything just to earn some $$$ in any film. Those girls living conditions you will not purify by destroying your dvd, however. But buying more porn, you can help them.

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This is a good thread. I can understand why he destroyed his copies. It has been a personal choice that (correct me when i´m wrong) does not have to do anything with "censorship" or political correctness. He just didn´t want to have this {enter you prefered word here} anymore. Simple as that.

When i first saw it i was kind of I didn´t get off on it then and i don´t get off on it now.(haven´t seen them in months anyway)

Would be nice to hear "Mr. Hidells" voice on this though. Was he simply "pushing the envelope" or was it more like a "role play/fetish" of his made into "money" ? or something other

I haven´t experienced role play and/or hard fetish stuff so for me "rough sex" was indeed more extreme to watch than SH. Even though it´s hard for me to understand why there are people who like this kind of stuff i do not judge others for it as i do not like to be judged about things i like. And i can understand Jewels point about Sex that get boring after a while. Like i said before it sometimes makes me wonder that the males even get a hard on if you do this kind of work daily(?)

I just wonder why he stopped making thew series. Did someone pull the plug ? Maybe he was making more money than ROB ? :)

speaking of him ... may it be as bad as most of the people think i have seen worse stuff of extreme Ass. !

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I'll hold my hand up and say I've seen a couple of these and found the rough/forced oral a turn on (would have preferred the films without the slapping though, I didn't really see the point of it). I suppose I got a kick out of watching him dominate the women and just the overall rawness and nastiness of it all: I know in polite society I'm not supposed to like anything like this, but there's hardly much point turning off the tape and feigning revulsion is there?

I will point out that in many of the scenes you see Brandon/Alex talking to the girl beforehand checking she is aware what they are going to do and often reminding her how to signal to him if it gets a bit too much.

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"There is a bedroom scene in a movie with a man and a woman on a bed. The woman is topless and the man reaches for her neck and pulls her towards him for a passionate kiss on the mouth and works his way down her neck. If he kisses her bare breasts, the movie gets an automatic hard-R, perhaps X rating .

Same scene, except the man now chokes and strangles the woman, leaving her 'dead' body on the bed. The movie gets a PG13 rating ."

In mainstream films, violence is considered much more acceptiable than expressions of sexuality.

I dont agree with it, but thats the way it is.

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SNP.

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I do realize that there are some very mentally healthy women out there who do like being true submissives.

I just personally don't get off on seeing scenes that treat the woman/girl as if she is less important than the person who is dominating her. If I don't know the person well enough, I am not able to separate the scene enough from reality to enjoy seeing something that was possibly less than enjoyable for one of the people active.
On the other hand, there are a few girls that I know really do enjoy these things and weren't abused in their past, and I am able to, with a free conscience, enjoy seeing them in a submissive sexual situation.
I also am friends with Brandon, and I cannot believe that he would try to put anyone at all in a situation where they were not comfortable, so although I did not find the Slap Happy movies to be a personal turn-on, I was not emotionally disturbed by them. (And I saw all 3.)

I think PornoBoy and MLyons made very valid choices. They were at least willing to give the movies a chance, which I think is a lot better than someone who would summarily dismiss them without seeing them first.
And their decisions to destroy them? Personal choices that they did not try to invoke upon anyone but themselves. They each decided that they would feel better if they were not part of the process of distributing those images to more people.

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I don't mean to decry other porn with these remarks, after all there is an inevitability that things will become familiar and this is not necessarily a bad thing: sex with my girlfriend is familiar but that does not preclude it being enjoyable. My point is that there is always an unmatchable attraction to something new, a novelty value and the excitement of the unfamiliar.

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(A great deal of my academic work within film history and film theory is centered on the importance of the interdependent relationship between "familiarity" and "novelty" (terms used by cultural theorists Jowett & Linton) for explaning the history of popular/narrative film. On a poetical level, this can be understood as a very delicate balance between the need for standardization and the need for differentiation, as used by Bordwell and ...
Whow Walter, easy boy. Don't you know nobody is reading this anymore. Get back to business.)

Of course, for those among you that remember this kind of pseudo intellectual ramblings, I preferred "blissful rupture".

On another note, how can the destruction of private property by the owner of said property be considered censorship? Isn't this just a part of right of ownership, a key value in a capitalistic society?



shameless said:
"I'd better turn on my new dvds and enjoy my wood..."

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You mean in real life or on the set?
And, in the second case, have you ever been approached to play a submissive role? And would a large sum make change your mind?

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And no, the amount of money per scene in porn was never the most important thing to me.
For creative fun, I was mostly submissive to Jeanna Fine and PJ Sparxx in Cellar Dwellar 2, but Rob let me have control over what was happening overall, and let me have an actual personality in the scene.

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I'm reading this anymore.

I come to this message board, in part, to better understand porn, to better understand my love of and relation to porn, and to better understand where my reactions to and evaluations of various kinds of porn, directors, performers, and performances come from. These are the kinds of issues that you have the unique ability to address by dint of your intellectual bent and academic training.

So please DO "get back to business" . . . by rUpturing the traditional surface of this message board with glimpses of the deeper workings of your acute, subtle, and original mind. The fun and games are great, but I would welcome your profounder insights even more. Those who don't welcome them don't need to read them, and should refrain from attacking them (inasmuch as their professed lack of interest should disqualify them from judging).

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i don't understand the discussion at this point, if you don't like to see extreme bjs you should not rent or buy it.

slap happy has explicit covers, maybe you where a little bit curious about it but destroying the movie is really crazy.

i know a few women by myself that like hard stuff as shown in slap happy and trust in me, they like what they do. as long as it runs consensual there is no real "degrading" of
women at this point, it's nothing more then a kick to do nasty things - jewell mentioned a few posts before.

anyway, if you can't resist to destroy it, send it to me :)

cheers, waterproof

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