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I don't know enough about this case but I wonder if it's illegal to ship any porn to Martinsburg. I have sold over 600 used DVDs using through Adult DVD Marketplace using USPS. If I used UPS or Fed Ex, the cost of shipping would have been more than what the DVDs were worth. I think Adult DVD Marketplace keeps track of where it is illegal to ship porn, or at least they used to.
HarryJoystick- Martinsburg,WV?That's where I live...and I've received porn from numerous sources over the years,including used DVD's from Adult DVD Empire sellers!I've received virtually everything through the USPS...
Are videos with fisting scenes legal there? Otherwise it's hard to tell what laws the seller broke. I'm not a legal scholar but the charge of, "transporting obscene matters through the U.S. mail and transportation of obscene matters for sale or distribution by means of interstate commerce" seems kind of vague to me.
It sounds like the Feds targeted the Indiana guy's business because he was selling a fisting video. And they chose Martinsville to place their order from. I'm sure there are dozens of other cities in other states where this setup could have just as easily been orchestrated from. I wonder what he did to attract Feds' attention in the first place.
Man all these obscenity laws being different in different places really seems sketchy to me... It seems like the feds leave it vague enough so they can bust anyone for anything whenever they feel like busting someone. (I know that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it really does feel that way at times.) On the other hand, I can't see it being very likely that DC lawmakers will actually sit down and write out specific laws that say things like "If the video shows four fingers inserted into the anus, it's legal. If four fingers and the thumb up to the first knuckle are inserted into the anus, still okay. But if four fingers and the thumb past the first knuckle are inserted into the anus, then the seller of the video is breaking obscenity law #xxxxx-xxx". [edit: 3 typos!] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 6/7/2008 1:55:31 PM
Like Sex Z said, always ship UPS or FED Ex. But if you have to ship through postal do it first class or better. Because if you ship anything media mail they have all rights to open it and most likely will.
If it is as simple as shipping by UPS/Fedex and avoiding USPS, why do so many vendors have lists of banned states or banned cites to which they will not sell videos? These vendors could just use a different shipper and avoid all the hassle of keeping track of zip codes, in addition to boosting sales. I think if a seller were the subject of a sting operation, it would be pretty easy to find a reason for a package to magically "pop open" somewhere in transit, regardless of whether it is media mail or first class or priority or insured or super extra private top secret certified secure or whatever class is used.
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Posted - Jun 2 2008 : 7:30PM
This type of thing just makes me want to vomit. If the government requests the video aren't they culpable themselves? Classic entrapment. I really don't know what we can do about this type of thing anymore. I don't think the dems are any better than the repubs on this. I suggest a massive mail campaign to your elected officials complaining about the subversion of the U.S. constitution and condemning censorship in all it's forms. This country is going down the tubes fast unless we the people do something about it. And I don't think Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and unfortunately John McCain are even close to being the solution. Censorship is the first big step towards dictatorship.
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Posted - Jun 2 2008 : 8:03PM
By the way what about the hundreds if not thousand of porn videos including illegal Traci Lords stuff sold on ebay daily ? The government has absolutely lost it's fucking mind.
Black Six is correct, the law is the same. Obscenity anywhere is illegal. What is confusing you (and everyone) is that "obscenity" is defined by community standards. What's considered obscene in one community may be perfectly fine in another.Yet, this is exactly what happened to a comic book store in Texas a few years ago. An undercover cop walked into the store, asked the clerk for two adult titles (Urotsukidoji was one of them, I think the other was Omaha, the Cat Dancer, but I'm not sure), showed ID proving he was of age when asked, and then promptly arrested the store owner on obscenity charges! Even though the adult books were behind the counter, and patrons had to ask for them and show ID this was the argument that won the case for the prosecution: "“I don’t care what type of evidence or what type of testimony is out there, use your rationality, use your common sense. Comic books, traditionally what we think of, are for kids." [ invalid url ] Webmaster, http://www.nunsploitation.net
Or in other words, "obscenity" is in the eye of the beholder. It's completely ridiculous to have a concept like obscenity intertwined with the law. The law is complex and confusing enough when it only deals with established facts. I just want to know why someone can't be prosecuted for writing an obscene law?
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Posted - Jun 7 2008 : 10:07PM
Yeah but the ship has pretty much sailed on that one, obscenity has been the law of the land for a very long time now. Don't expect the like of the current Supreme Court to reverse any of the it either, if anything they'll reinforce it.
That's not true. Max's lawyers were arguing that he didn't know that Jaded would ship via USPS because Max was specifically charged with interstate transportation of obscene materials using the U.S. postal service. There is a similar law involving the interstate transportation of obscene materials using a common carrier. Since the government hadn't charged Max with that crime, his defense argued that, given that Max had shipped to Jaded via UPS, he assumed that they would do the same when shipping to customers.
That's not true. Media Mail receives the same protections as any other mail class does. The only reason that media mail would be opened would be if the Post Office had reason to believe that the shipper was sending something that didn't qualify as media, in order to receive the postage discount. In every obscenity case that the government has made, using shipped merchandise, a government employee has ordered the discs or tapes personally. They're not randomly checking people's mail to see if packages just happen to contain a copy of a DVD that they're hoping to prosecute for obscenity.
I bet most of you don't know that buying a porn movie on the PPV when you are at a hotel is illegal as it falls under the federal laws of transporting obscene materials across state lines. The government is too busy becoming big brother and not fixing what's wrong with this country. Shouldn't you use your stimulous check to stimulate yourself?
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Posted - Jan 30 2011 : 10:58PM
hey SeX Z Pix i have a question for you, i'm contemplating selling a few items via Ebay avoiding the zip codes and states such as Utah used to prosecute sellers of material deemed "obscene per community standards" and wanted to know if you still recommend shipping via UPS or FedEx? I've sold occasionally on ADM since 2005 and I believe they take care of sellers by not sponsoring questionable content (i.e. they've dropped almost all Max Hardcore's stuff & many JM products), but Ebay obviously doesn't do this & I want to be cautious. i also have Manga Erotica & i don't want to end up like the gentleman in Texas from 2000. What do you or any of the others in the forum recommend? Haven't listed yet but i'm just contacting reputable sellers I've purchased from and others before i do.
^ I have absolutely no experience in shipping adult content but if you want my advice here it is. If you're asking for information, that probably means you don't know much more about it than I do and that's not good. I would recommend that if you want to be on the safe side, you stick to just buying stuff and leave selling and shipping it to people who know the laws and have the resources to defend themselves if something comes up. Just ask yourself one thing. Is what you'll get out of it worth the risk?
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Posted - Jan 31 2011 : 11:34PM
RandomP thanks for the feedback, you raise a solid point at the end and i agree that big time sellers are more able to have legal assistance at the ready. I've shipped via Adultdvdmarketplace for 6 years going on 7 with no incident, but they run interference for sellers. The risk you rightly bring to light comes with going to Ebay; they don't run interference for their sellers. That's what i'm most concerned about! Thanks for your input, sometimes it really is best to play it safe!
You cannot be serious. Just how do you think Adultdvdmarketplace will protect you if you ship a dvd to a federal agent who is trying to obtain an obscenity conviction? If you believe that Adultdvdarketplace will "run interference" for you with the FBI then you are extremely naive.
i guess you guys are talking shippments from one US state to another. When we go global there are of course a number of restrictions for a non business person to ship certain things. Years ago i had my experiences with customs too. The sick part is however --- if i would have ordered the VHS tapes with no cover and no description at all they most likely would have gone thrue. But no --- stupid me wanted to own the original ones with the cover and the printing on the tape. I just hope those custom bastards had a good jerkoff session with my tapes. The seized them i got a court warning which was later dismissed ... i never ordered anything from a US company ever. I don´t want to make customs happy and i have to pay for it Nowadyas with the digital media their are other ways ... Cube Edited by - cubesnake on 2/1/2011 7:08:35 AM
1. there are hundreds of people in jail b/c they thought it was safe to ship drugs through UPS and Fed Ex. They can and sometimes do inspect suspicious packages 2. If the postal inspectors opened every Media Mail package, it would take a month not a week to get packages. They don't want to lose anymore market share to the private companies as is 3. Postal inspecotrs can and do open suspcious packages of any sort. First class, medial mail, priority etc.
This raises an issue I have never grasped: the whole "community standards" thing. I am not only not a lawyer, I have only the faintest grasp of legal matters, so am quite amazingly clueless. Anyway: The principle seems to be that one can be busted for making or selling (also owning??) legal, 1st-Amendment-protected material basically because your neighbors disapprove? Who determines the standards of a particular community? No one takes a vote, so is it set by a few vocal saber rattlers? A politically ambitious prosecutor? The 12 members of one jury? Furthermore, how is a prospective producer/distributor of porn supposed to know before being arrested what the standards of a diverse community will be? It's not like there is a Pornphobic Registry or anything, right? It all seems so vague and unpredictable. Can anyone out there give a good explanation of how this all works?
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Posted - Feb 3 2011 : 6:09AM
1. there are hundreds of people in jail b/c they thought it was safe to ship drugs through UPS and Fed Ex. They can and sometimes do inspect suspicious packages 2. If the postal inspectors opened every Media Mail package, it would take a month not a week to get packages. They don't want to lose anymore market share to the private companies as is 3. Postal inspecotrs can and do open suspcious packages of any sort. First class, medial mail, priority etc.
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torris is it true that hundred's of people are in jail for selling adult stuff? i've not heard of this, i've heard of producers/directors being targeted and in the process of doing so a big-time seller gets pegged. but 100s of people selling straight, mainstream (within the world of porn) stuff being put in jail? i find that hard to believe especially with the hundreds of sellers on ADM that have operated without incident. i've been called naive in this thread but i get the feeling there is a good deal of paranoia about this topic. fisting, beastiality, kiddie porn etc. i can see someone selling this being legitimately concerned but Vivid, Sensational DVD, most Evil Angel stuff from small time seller to small time consumer? i find it hard to believe federal agents have that much time to spend
Sooo how can a person find out if it's illegal or not to send/receive Porn in the mail in their zip area? I ask because I just recently saw a seller on e-bay list my zip code as an area he can't ship to because it's illegal according to him. Now I's been a member on e-bay for some 10 yrs and bought lots of porn stuff, not just VHS and Dvd's. Also in my area there are adult stores that sell/ rent Dvd's and "novelty items". We also have go-go bars where the occasional porn star preforms and then sells her dvd's. I've have spent the last couple hours trying to find any such law on the books so to speak but it's much harder to find out that information than it is finding some lost video of Traci Lords. So if anyone can send me a link or list one here that I can use to find out if there is such a law or statue in my specific area I would be very grateful.
^I've seen sellers ban certain zip codes or states because of the performers; for example they shoot Virginia girls and therefore will not sell the video within Virginia. My zip code was on a no-ship list at JBvideo.com, but I emailed them and told them about the porn video store in my town, etc. and they shipped to me. Edited by - ninja1 on 10/23/2012 3:34:39 PM
For those who don't understand the obscenity laws read this from AdultBizLaw: Porn 101: Fetish Content Whats Legal ? BTW Kink.com has found the solution to defeating the ultra-conservative censors using obscenity laws to stop porn distributors. They simply don't ship porn DVDs in the U.S. at all. Instead you subscribe to their site and download video files yourself. They produce movies with fisting, pissing, and so on and haven't been touched yet by the feds.
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Posted - Jun 2 2008 : 1:44AM
customs too. The sick part is however --- if i would have ordered the VHS tapes with no cover and no description at all they most likely would have gone thrue. But no --- stupid me wanted to own the original ones with the cover and the printing on the tape. I just hope those custom bastards had a good jerkoff session with my tapes. The seized them i got a court warning which was later dismissed ... i never ordered anything from a US company ever. I don´t want to make customs happy and i have to pay for it