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Dan
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Posted - Mar 8 2014 : 7:30AM
In music, jazz improvisation means composing on the spot and coming up with melodies off the top of one's head. It's a spontaneous type of music that's very different from pre-planned and rehearsed music.
Which gives me an idea that having guys and gals improvise with each other in a sex scenes might result in some hot and exciting sex scenes. Because doing things spontaneously is often surprising for the other person and for the viewer too.
Improvised sex acts happen in porn once in a while, such as when a guy blows his nuts and then goes back inside for another ride to the lady's surprise. There is a big thread in this forum about this kind of thing with well over 200,000 views. Which isn't surprising, because improvised sex is what people normally do with each other most of the time. This is the most natural and the most common type of sex in real life.
I think it's possible to make the whole sex scene improvised rather than pre-planned. And it's something many viewers will probably like. Of course, the guy needs to be good at improvising in an entertaining kind of way, just like a jazz musician is good at improvising in music. Not everybody can be a good jazz musician, and it's probably like this in improvised sex.
Not everybody can improvise well enough to be entertaining. But if somebody can do it well, then this would be a new and exciting style of porn that many porn fans will probably like.
pat362
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Posted - Mar 8 2014 : 12:30PM
^I can't see how you can do that because you are talking about paid performers who are getting a certain amount of money based on something they agreed upon prior to shooting the scene so even pretend improvising is very hard to do. I'd also like to point out that since there is normally a director telling the performers which shot he wants next then again you can't improvise that.
I get the feeling you're looking for a more amateur approach where the performers are into each other and not paying attention to the camera or anything else and they simply do what they want. I can't see any studio paying money for those types of scenes because you may get a more intense scene chemistry wise but you limit the possible camera shots and that kills the scene for someone like me.
Dan
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6/07
Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 6:41AM
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It was a similar situation for music performers too, before improvised jazz music became popular. Only unpaid amateurs could play such unplanned, spontaneous music because of the various systemic barriers that prevented paid musicians from playing such music.
But such barriers are created artificially by managers and business people who don't fully understand what the audience wants and enjoys. Because it makes sense to change the system and give the audience what it wants in order to make money.
Improvised sex for a porn film isn't the same as amateur sex or improvised sex that people naturally have with each other in private at home.
Because in amateur and private sex, people improvise for their personal pleasure. While in porn sex, people need to improvise for show to the audience. The audience can't feel the pleasure of the actors involved. The audience can only see what the actors do with each other and their reactions towards each other and infer their pleasure from this.
That's why everybody can improvise well for their personal pleasure but not everybody can improvise well for show to the audience. To improvise well for the audience, you need to have some showmanship and have a sense of what looks good to the audience.

Edited by - Dan on 3/9/2014 6:41:22 AM

pat362
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 11:11AM
^Unless things have changed than it's still illegal to release a trademarked song even if you improvised a different version. case in point Robin Thicke's Blurred lines which is an improvised version of Marvin Gaye's Got to Give it Up. I guess it must have been because the music company settled out of court with the family of Marvin.
Now if you meant improvisation on stage during a concert then as long as the music will never be marketed then no one will complain but that kind of improvisation happens all the time and is not the same thing.
Dan
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6/07
Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 5:36PM
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If improvisation is so valuable in music, then it's sure to be valuable in porn too.
I'd say that improvisation in porn works best, when the lady doesn't quite know what the guy wants to do with her. Because this creates some difficulties for the guy in terms of penetrating the lady among other things, which requires him improvise.
Improvisation looks hot only when there is a need for it. And this need naturally arises when the guy starts doing things spontaneously with the lady according to his natural desires, without her knowing about it ahead of time.
 
LCF All-Star Supporter
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Non Prevalebunt!
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Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 6:38PM
A female performer gets paid for everything she does BJ, Vaginal, Anal, Creampie, Anal Creampie, Swallow, Ass to Mouth , I don't think any producer would like an "improvised" bill full of zeroes with a front number higher than that countable with his fingers.
Also comparison with music is meaningless , a musician is not paid for G notes or for any riff or solos he does.
A performer is just like that a musician paid for each note, each solo, each riff.
nobody would pay such bill
Edited by - LCF on 3/9/2014 6:41:21 PM
Dan
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2056 Posts
6/07
Posted - Mar 9 2014 : 6:57PM
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It makes no sense to maintain a system that prevents change and innovation in porn. Because the purpose of any system is to serve all stakeholders, including the customers, rather than the other way around.
LCF All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 10 2014 : 8:36AM
^
It make no sense to perform and not get paid for that
lily_cade
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Posted - Mar 10 2014 : 12:50PM
Girl/girl is more "improvised" than boy/girl. Usually a boy/girl set, with the exception of some amateur content, the positions are mapped out, they take breaks, they cut and shoot stills, etc. On most girl/girl sets, we just shoot the dialogue and then fuck for the length of the scene (30-60 minutes) without cutting. Most of the scenes I do, I just fuck the way I want to. I may have some stuff in mind, and with strap-on scenes I'll kind of test the positions in stills to make sure we're both on the same page and can handle said positions (standing stuff, picking up the girl)...but there's nobody who is going to call a cut if I do the wrong one. For me, the best moment of a scene is when my scene partner is surprised in a good way...when she looks at me and says "what did you do to me" and gets off in a way she didn't know she could. Obviously this doesn't happen with every girl in every scene but when it does it's great :)
I would suggest you check out makelovenotporn.tv which has a lot of videos sent in by real life couples. The entire mission of the site is representing sex as people have in the real world, rather than the staged kind of sex you often see in porn.
La Lunitica
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Zenogias
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Posted - Mar 10 2014 : 1:17PM
Lily, do you think if the rates for G/G were as high as B/G that it would have a significant impact on the industry?



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