Is it choppy like a trailer or do we actually see continuity ?

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The editing of Gangbang 33 was terrible though. There were no pans to the face throughout Aurora's dp, dpp, and dap. Just when you are about to see the dpp or dap initial entry with the face, there is a cut to another angle where the face cannot be seen, so it could have been faked. They could have used a body double for all I know. I know it is not likely, but the emotional satisfaction of seeing Aurora daped is totally missing, and it leaves me terribly unhappy and dissatisfied. Seeing porn is all about emotional satisfaction. When I cannot absolutely confirm that a girl is getting daped, I emotionally feel that it is completely faked and that scene is completely ruined for me. So cuts from face to the close-up does not work; there must be pans from face to close-up or full body shots.

The second scene of Flick and Kinky in gbg 33 was so badly intercut that the potentially greatest dap scene of all time was totally ruined. Sad isn’t it that the opportunity was there, and the director, cameraman, and editor all failed to realize the potential and record/edit it for all of posterity. Flick was giggling and struggling throughout her dap, and a good director, should have realized the potential and slowly but surely recorded all aspects of the dap with emphasis of Flick’s giggles and her awesome facial expressions. The video should stay with the Flick dap segment with no intercuts from the beginning to the end. The camera should start at the face then slowly pan to the dap. The scene was ruined through bad directing, camerawork, and editing. There were a bunch on random intercuts from Flick to Kinky and even mistakes in the editing from one segment to another unrelated segment. This is like seeing the great Ali-Frazier fight and the camera focused only on the fist throughout the fight. This is like drinking $5000 cognac mixed in with 75-cent diet 7-up – what a waste of fine cognac. I have not seen a well-edited gbg from #16 onward and maybe before.

Ron

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Ya know it seems funny that a director that has put
together over 100 titles, a director of photography
that has helmed well over 1000 flixxx and an editor
that has cut over 500 titles can be so incompetent.
All I can say is the proof is in the putting and
our choppy poorly directed and photographed pieces
fill a couple of trucks a day, we slay the competition
on pieces shipped, not only that but our product
maintains top dollar from the first title to the last
never going catalog. There is no other adult company that
can lay claim to that but us. I'm truly sorry our titles
don't do it for you but you can't please all the people
all the time we're content to please most of the people
most of the time.

Cal
Somewhere in the edit bay being clueless

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Anabolic / Diabolic productions have some of the finest penetrations with the most gorgeous babes BUT their editing is bollocks !!!!

I'm constantly disappointed by their releases, not because of the sex, but their films are edited like a compilation tape.

Now I want Initiation # 8 because Belladonna is in it but I know I'll be sorry.

Why can't Anabolic release an unedited version on side B instead of those same old trailers
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It's not that your product is crap, but it can be so much better.

You sell truck loads because it's people like me who want to see a double anal scene with a babe like Belladonna even if I have to put up with poor editing and lack of initial penetration shots or wide angle shots.

Its like most things in life, if no one else sells a specific product, the consumer has to make do with what is available.

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I find that only the Gangbang titles (Auditions, Girl) are horribly done. I mean, they're really bad.

But I find the rest of their titles definitely satisfactory. Never thought of an editing problem in the Assman or Debauchery titles, and I really like most of the Mike John releases.

But they really have to work on those Gangbang titles. Red Light's just blew their's right out of the water!

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I'll stack our product against anyones anytime, anywhere. Our shit will kick ass 99 times out of 100.

No arguement from me, but Evil Angel still reigns supreme in my book, with Dia/anabolic coming in 2nd. (I have over 40 Evil Angel DVDs.)

Diabolic produces some of the best no-nonsense straightforward fucking titles out there.

---BIGmike, over and out!---

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Somewhere doing dub masters

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I understand the point Cal made about working with what he is given but I'm sure that the cameras are not switched off while the girl changes position during these gangbang scenes, so why not edit these scenes in to the productions ?

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Somewhere finishing World Sex Tour 26

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I would not consider any transitions and position changes a waste of my hard earned cash.

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Kat, , 1st vid, 1st A, A, DP, VV
Sophia Gently, A, DP, VV
Isabel, A, A2M
Sandy Style, A, DP
Charlotte, AA, VV, DP, A
Sophia Marquez A, DP, VV, AA, and two what look like
genuine female nuts. If she was faking she deserves
an Oscar this girl is tight. The quivers and everything.

Cal
Somewhere dumping the first reel of WST 26 going home
to burn one.

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You have read many reviews of mine to know that I am a big Anabolic/Diabolic fan; most of my reviews are positive but I have written a few negative reviews. You have read my review of Un-Natural Sex 7 so you know that I do not have an axe to grind on all Anabolic/Diabolic titles.

Hardz said it correctly with,

I know that Anabolic/Diabolic sells truckloads and at least 1 truckload is residing in my home; I have 200 to 300+ Anabolic/Diabolic titles. I have most of the gangbang girl series including #20, Rough Sex 1 and 2, and complete sets of many Anabolic/Diabolic series from #1 to the latest on video so you cannot say that I dislike Anabolic/Diabolic titles and have a hidden agenda against your company. As I have mentioned above, I have given many Anabolic/Diabolic titles very positive reviews. So the criticisms are because of specific problems and not a general dislike of your products. I have even defended Anabolic/Diabolic against criticisms like the use of the same female talents in RAME. Partly, my criticism stems from wanting to see Anabolic made even better titles and wanting to see that Anabolic/Diabolic avoid (to me at least) obvious problems. Partly, I get unhappy when I cannot enjoy a title because of an obvious (to me) problem.

That said, you have never directly addressed the problems that I raised but brushed it off with irrelevant arguments about how many titles the director has directed, how well Anabolic/Diabolic sells, how you cannot please everyone, and how editing a gangbang title is like a train wreck with all the problems. As Hardz said, we have no choice if we want titles with double pussy and double anal. Many Anabolic/Diabolic titles have gorgeous babes and excellent production standards. My criticim is aimed at specific problems with the directing, camera angles, and editing.

I would give GBG 33 a C+ or B- among all GBG titles. Remember that C is average and I am only comparing GBG between GBG (I have seen almost 30 of the 33 GBG so I think I can make that judgment). However, GBG 33 could have been an A+++ with better directing, camerawork, editing, and timing/publicity. This could have been the all-time best gangbang girl, and it isn't, because of problems with directing, camerawork, and editing. Christopher's directing style seems to be: 1) have a few general ideas about what to do, 2) place two cameras in strategic locations (one may be somewhat mobile but it cannot block the other camera) and hope (often the camera misses) to catch all the action, and 3) no interference with the talents once the action starts so that the spontaneity of the gangbang is not ruined. All this is fine for watching a live gangbang, but in a video or DVD, a little more staging can improve the action. There is a fine balance between having spontaneity and actually catching the action. The greatest sex act not caught on camera is worthless to us, the viewer. The hope that all the action gets captured does not always come to pass and much of the good action gets missed. Having cameras at fixed points means that the cameras only show fixed perspectives and not all the action. Having one camera move randomly between two ongoing activities often misses capturing the essence of both. Any deficiency is left for the editor, you Cal to correct and often you have problems trying to decide how to correct the deficiencies as you yourself said,

Why do I say that GBG 33 had the potential to be the best all time Gangbang Girl but yet it missed the mark? 1) Aurora was doing her first dap and that should have been celebrated more. This title should have been released 9 months ago and before Gangbang Audition 7. The directing, camerawork, and edits should all have emphasized the same theme of Aurora’s first dap and her evolution from a Pokemyassaphobe to a Twodicksinmyassaphile. Failure to do this is a big lack of foresight on the part of the powers that be in Anabolic. Also Flick's dap was the best dap action ever, but the camerawork and editing did not show the true greatness but instead was extremely distracting. When there is a unique dap (I have seen 200+ dap scenes and can judge a good one from a crappy one), treat it like the special event it truly is. Flick was giggling and laughing while struggling to handle the dap. At this point, the director should have been cognizant of the unique opportunity and done something about it. The editor (you Cal) should have also realized the potential and edited it so that the dap segment showed a truly unique dap. A 2 second cut to Flick's face showed some unique facial expression and that was not emphasized. Flick’s face during the dap could have been edited together with good camera angles to show a truly momentous event. Instead this scene showed somewhat randomly between Kinky's dpp and Flick's dap, with a few irrelevant segments (this was probably an editing mistake on your part) that did not fit in at all. Let us put some points for the scenes so you get an idea of what I am talking about. Flick' dap shown in all its glory without any intercuts would have earned 1000 points (this assumes that the director took advantage of the unique scene and I assume that Christopher Alexander did not realize the potential). If the director missed the uniqueness of this dap, Flick's dap by itself, well edited and without any intercut from Kinky's dpp would probably be worth 50 points. Kinky's dpp would also be worth 50 points by itself. What would the point worth be from the current version with all the intercuts? Since each scene by itself is worth 50 points, the total should be 100 points, right? Wrong, the total with intercuts actually made the scene very distracting and I would give it 5 points. The total with 2 intercut scenes is actually in total worth 1/10 the value of each scene by itself. The Gestalt of a complete coherent scene is worth much more that the bits and pieces without coherence. Less is sometimes more and more is sometimes less. This is like watching several contestants do a special jump and then land. To judge the contest, the best edits would be to show all the jumps by themselves and then the landings by themselves. That way the judge can judge the jumps separately and the landing separately. But (this is the crucial distinction) to enjoy the athletic activity, most viewers would probably prefer to see each athlete complete jump and landing and then move to the next athlete.

To quote John Stagliano in his interview with Rog:

Please do not take this as a personal attack against you as that is never my intention. I am terribly disappointed in Gangbang girl 33 and 32 because of the problems I have described. These are very specific problems and should not be brushed off with an irrelevant comment like Anabolic rocks. I agree that for most part Anabolic rocks but there are problems with some of the directing and editing. If you try to see things from a fan's perspective, you can become a much better editor and then Anabolic will truly rock all the time (instead of only sometimes). You are an excellent technical editor, but sometimes the artistic side is overlooked. Editing requires both good technique as well as art and emotions. Good editing communicates to the viewer that this stuff is great. An excellent example of how dap scenes should be edited come from the second dap scenes in both Debauchery 12 and 13. Also the editing of Shyla's dap in 2-on-1 #12 is excellent. I can see her face with full body shots, and I can see her face and then have the camera pan (not cut) to the initial penetration. The true essence of the dap is communicated to the viewer. This is how a good dap should be taped and edited. Cutting can potentially be distracting and too much cutting can be very distracting.

Try a little experiment if you have the time. Go back and reedit Aurora’s dap in GBG 33 so that the camera pans from Aurora’s face to the dap action. Put it aside for a few weeks and then compare this version with the current version of having the cut to Aurora’s face. Try to determine which is more satisfying from a fan’s perspective. Do the same for Shyla’s dap in 2-on-1 #12. Edit a new version with a cut from face to dap so that there is no confirmation segment. Put it aside a few weeks and then go back and compare both versions. I suspect you will find the panning version with face confirmation to be better. The trick is to wait a few weeks so that the memories of both scenes are no longer fresh.

Hopefully, you will take the criticisms in the vein that it is written and hopefully use my comments in future Anabolic/Diabolic titles. Then, every Anabolic/Diabolic title will truly rock.

Ron

Ps. Looking at my post the next day, I found many mistakes and went back to correct them. Sometimes, looking at the edited scenes a few days later will provide a new and better perspective as well as the ability to catch previously missed mistakes or problems.

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It really shows that porn fans don't just make idle comments but we know what we want.

I just saw Balls Deep #4 and what can I say ?

I'm just totally sick to death of seeing those bloody fade-esque scene transitions just when the action is getting going.

I got this dvd because of SHYLA (and Lex Steele) BUT we only get to see her actually penetrated only a couple of times!!!!!!!!

You're never shown an actual penetration because whenever the scene changes from one position to another (using a fade technique) the cock or cocks are already inside her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its like watching a boxing match with all the head shots edited out. Where is the fun in that ?????

Come on Anabolic, I beg you, please for the love of God, show us the penetrations and position changes.

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