As some of you know a couple of years ago I quit the porn industry and went on "walk about" for a while well, I was only walking around Venice Beach but what the hell. One day I'm sitting at home on the boardwalk, broke and on the brink of eviction when I hear a voice at the window, it's Chico Wang and Hailey Paige, they come in and Chico explains that Hailey has just directed her first movie and he'd like me to edit it for her, being that she's his baby and all. I asked if he had the footage and he went to the car and viola I was back in the porn biz. I edited her flixxx and I couldn't help but notice that the content was a lot more physical than when I had left the biz. When I was at Ana / Dia we had done a series directed by Khan Tusuion called Rough Sex, those two flixxxs were the gold standard of pushing the B-n-D envelope, combining rough stuff with fucking was taboo to say the least. Rough Sex blew right through the grey area and caused quite a bit of controversy at the time. Well, I'm editing Hailey's movie and the shit I'm seeing makes Rough Sex look like a oriental massage in comparison. So I'm watching and thinkin this is pretty bizarre, what a tattered web we weave. Well, Chico asks me if I want to slam out some stuff he's got in the can, well fuck yeah I've been busted, disgusted and not to be trusted for the last two years. I was trying to go mainstream or some ridicules shit like that but those scumbag mainstreamers don't want to pay or they think they're doing you a favor by letting you make their unwatchable piece of shit film, watch-able anyway I digress.
I thought the new stuff I was seeing was pretty over the top but who cares if chicks are into physical abuse let them eat cake . I was a little taken a back with these new curious developments in the industry. After I finished Haileys movie I lost my apartment cuz I was way to far in the hole for one movie to pull me out of the rather deep dark place I'd dug myself into. Chico says "hey I've got a garage if you need someplace to park your shit bring it over here, well I sure did and I'd like to thank Chico here and now you really saved my bacon you pumpkin headed mutha fugger, around the same time Tony and Ronny asked if I wanted to set up shop at Original so great. I set up at Original and they were still shooting so Chico says "up at my place and we'll slam some product" I temporarily move my edit bay into boogie nights #5 or #6 or whatever number Chico's up to. Now being at Boogie nights is like being in a frat house on Ciallas steroids, hot and cold running sex scenes, photo shoots, internet content acqusion, it's a nudie, whore filled, mad house. Well, I'm watching Chico's directing technique to see what kind of pointers I can pick up. One of the things he consistently does is asks the girls what turns them on and what kind of scene do they want to do. To my utter amazement the most common and consistent reply was that the girls wanted it rough. Now I really don't feel one way or the other about rough stuff, hey to each his or her own, who am I to judge. I see a lot of negative stuff posted about the rough sex and I can tell you it's coming from the females more than the males. I was fascinated by all this so Jasmine Tame cane into town and she was bunking at Chico's so I got into a long conversation about it and she said, "it's to test your limits, to see , how much you can take," I think it 's human nature if you do something all the time like fuck as much as these performers they get bored and want to do the next exciting thing. Jasmine is suppose to pick up this thread and continue this installment of, Inside looking out"....Take it away Jasmine
Hey, you were channelling Elmore Leonard there Cal. To dig yourself out of that deep dark hole, just turn this into a hard-boiled narrative.
You got the girl (Jasmine).
You got the villain (Chico).
You got that wild, uncontrollable force (Rough Sex).
In this story, to make yourself a great protagonist, you're probably going to have to take a few punches for the team. Make sure it's a girl delivering the punches, is all I'd say.
Then Stagliano can film it for the next TALES FROM THE CRACK film.
Stag has a series called tales from the crack??????!!!!! Not too sure if Mr Lenord would appreciate too much but thank you that's a nice compliment. I proboably am channeling him from his junior high days.
Jasmine went back to Florida a couple of days ago. Unfortunately she missed her flight and got rescheduled. I was so drunk I couldn't hang out with her.
She's a phenomenal performer who actually works to have sex. She has the sex drive of a psychotic banshee.
Copy one of thier names into a search engine and you too will be a well informed person
Cal444 Somewhere thinkin
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bill_russell_6 Deactivated User
Montevideo, Uruguay 563 Posts 12/05
Posted - Jul 4 2006 : 7:23PM
i have exchanged some e-mails with Jasmine and i must agree with Mr. Wang and also say that she is one of the few that is a real slut that loves to be fucked and we must thanks that she is in porn and we have the luck to enjoy her.
It's my own very abbreviated version of "A Modest Proposal." Given the direction of a lot of porn these days, it's just a matter of time before people come up with even more bizarre ways to help certain ladies "test their limits." I assume you're familiar with the reference since you've put your location as "Toronto." I also assume you're capable of recognizing sarcasm.
You think? Perhaps you'd like to do an internet search on "A Modest Proposal" so you can appreciate that reference. You've got to be a little quicker on the uptake, grasshopper.
That aside, I have to say I'm all for testing the limits of the porn performers. For example, I would like to see how much of "their paychecks being deposited into my bank account" they could take before they threw their hands up and cried "No Mas!" That's the kind of limit testing I'd like to see! You could have Chico film their reactions as they receive yet another picture of me proudly posing with a car that they've generously helped purchase. Forget Steven French on one of his fishhook benders; not receiving a single penny for all their work will really make the tears flow. They could also test their limits by seeing how many chores and errands they could do for me. I mean, sure, slapping and choking is great and everything, but it tends to get a little pedestrian after awhile. How about they film a scene in the middle of the lion pit at the local zoo? I think a stunt like that would bring some more excitement to the proceedings!
You know...I think I could really get into this whole "testing their limits" thing. Consider me a convert!
I like the rough stuff, but I like the fucking rough. All the slapping, spitting, degrading talk, etc., can take a hike. Hair pulling and dominant grabbing/moving/positioning are good though. Never quite understood why "rough sex" has to carry all the slapping, spitting, foot-on-head, "you're a piece of shit" baggage, or why rough sex has to include contempt.
How did we let things get this bad between us? Especially after everything we've been through together? Forgive me if I've been testy. Cheers!I couldn't have said it any better myself. It's one thing to present rough sex in a passionate, heated way like you describe, it's another thing to constantly cultivate a creepy, sadistic aesthetic (hence the reference in my first post). If rough sex is going to become some new de facto standard in gonzo porn, at least there could be some more variety in it's presentation. However, if people want the abusive type of porn, then I guess we'll just be stuck watching it spread like kudzu. I can't complain too much, I suppose, since there's still Jules Jordan, Erik Everhard, Mike Quasar, and Chris Streams productions to enjoy. Now, if they start going the JM Productions/Chico Wang type route, then I guess I would just have to call it a good porn-watching run and give my DVD player the rest it so richly deserves.
hey guys..im so sorry for being so late on this..yeah chico i missed my flight!! and i still didnt get my facial by waiting..what a waste of time! haha..no there arent limits-i jus like to get banged hard hehe...i dont like to get beat up or hurt..i wake up with bruises all over my leg and i dont know from what..girls like to get fucked real good..chicos house is so trashy-i luv it..im always around sex..honestly, u wrote somethings that i didnt understand but i like rough sex with some kissing and lots of grabbing..hehe
i was so hungry that night after watching that sexy scene with cindy crawford...dominos didnt want to deliver to me at the airport b/c they needed an address--how fucking pathetic!! i told them to google LAX on the internet but their lazy asses didnt want to-fuck them!!! then i almost passed out at the airport waiting for the damn plane..chico dont ever leave me alone! lol
gosh i cant sleep..my sleeping pattern is totally messed up now! oh yeah i shot a scene for martin del toro called spitwhores..thank god i didnt fuck him! haha..he made me spit everywhere..i think i ran out of spit..he deserves to be kicked out of the country!
Did he make a pass at your armpit? He does that, you know.
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bill_russell_6 Deactivated User
Montevideo, Uruguay 563 Posts 12/05
Posted - Jul 5 2006 : 10:24AM
personally i LOVE to watch a sexy woman like Jasmine been roughly fucked, to watch her been treated like a cheap whore, it is really exciting. i do not like to watch them get hurt of course, i love the face slapping (soft), love the spit on her face, the slut licking the men feet and asses, the tits slaps and spanking and the dirty talk. of course only if the whore is into rough sex because if she is not it is so unerotic and you can watch oin screen clearly that they are not enjoying wich makes for bad porn in my opinion. and another thing i get hot watching is super beautiful woman (like Jasmine) been abused by super ugly men that is why i would love to watch jasmine in a midnight prowl. the uglier the men the sluttier the whore looks.
bill, you're way better in explaining crap than me...it all depends on how i wake up that day..sometimes i dont want to say a word, sometimes i do or I can lay there and jus get fucked, or even drool on cocks all day ;p ..no no armpit nonsense happened-too bad-too late..no i dont get hurt-its when i get those bruises its when they hurt--i get flipped in all these positions..i went to the nail salon today, and the guy cut my nail so short asking me if i was hurting. I didnt feel any pain so I said no but there was blood coming out of my nail..how gross but they look way better now! I partied a lot..oh and im not on crack! I'm gonna sleep like a baby tonight =) cock = cock = money so it doesnt really matter..hehe luv u!
Chico Wang wrote:Jasmine doesn't need to "work" in order to have sex -- she could get as much sex as she wanted under any circumstances. Which doesn't mean that she doesn't enjoy her work -- but let's keep things out of fantasy land.
Sometimes I like that too. What I don't like is how the two, rough sex and degrading sadism (psychological or physical), have to be joined at the hip like they're married. They aren't. How about some happy athletic rough sex too?
The really odd thing is, I find a lot of that stuff to be wussy stand-ins for actual rough sex. I don't think I've ever seen a woman really pounded in a porn flick for more than a few seconds, and I've watched a fair share of gonzo.
I have to part company there.
Also, on the dirty talk (like almost everything else in life) there's the matter of degree. I like a degree of dirty talk ("oh call me a whore"), but it's like garlic. Too much ("say you're a piece of shit, you piece of shit!") is just too much. I don't find the spitting hot, or face-fucking to the point of vomiting, etc. I don't like the fishhook thing either. No need to go stretching a pretty woman's face out of shape - that's just bad for bidness. :)
Jasmine Tame, you are fucking hot. I personally think you make some of the most amazing box covers. You have the textbook pornstar look.
Semi-rough sex is cool. Every female I know loves it. But god damn, some of this new stuff is a little sick.
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bill_russell_6 Deactivated User
Montevideo, Uruguay 563 Posts 12/05
Posted - Jul 5 2006 : 4:51PM
i agree with the face fucking specially when the woman make that noise that is a turn off, i preffer that the slut take her time licking all over the cock balls and ass and deep throat herself. do not like the fishhook, i find it stupid and un-erotic because you can not watch the excited expresion in the whore face. and finally i love when a woman calls herself a slut, whore and all those things, not piece of shit or some of the other stuff, just the classics bitch, whore, slut. what i like is to watch a woman that loves roguh sex been rougly fucked not a woman that just do it because it pays more and. fially my idea would be that i get turned on by watching men gangbanging a porn slutty whore and been a little rough and degrading a little and NOT just to watch some men beat a whore and having a little sex. so the idea would be focus on the sex and ad a little humilaition, degradation and roughness but do not focus the whole scene in that part. sorry if i got it too long and i hope i made myself clear.
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bill_russell_6 Deactivated User
Montevideo, Uruguay 563 Posts 12/05
Posted - Jul 5 2006 : 4:56PM
hey joe we do not agree in the spitting part and i am sure you must do not agree with me with the ugly men gangbanging the sexy porn slut but i respect your opinion and thanks for taking the time to quote me.
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Eric381 Deactivated User
What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05
Posted - Jul 10 2006 : 1:09AM
It takes a while to get used to bill_russell...but after a while, he makes you laugh like a mutherfucker!!
Jaz, you're of Uraguian decent as well, aren't you doll?
I just came at the mere participation from Jasmine in this thread! As Mr. Burns says..."Excellent".
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Posted - Jul 3 2006 : 9:22AM
I couldn't have said it any better myself. It's one thing to present rough sex in a passionate, heated way like you describe, it's another thing to constantly cultivate a creepy, sadistic aesthetic (hence the reference in my first post). If rough sex is going to become some new de facto standard in gonzo porn, at least there could be some more variety in it's presentation. However, if people want the abusive type of porn, then I guess we'll just be stuck watching it spread like kudzu. I can't complain too much, I suppose, since there's still Jules Jordan, Erik Everhard, Mike Quasar, and Chris Streams productions to enjoy. Now, if they start going the JM Productions/Chico Wang type route, then I guess I would just have to call it a good porn-watching run and give my DVD player the rest it so richly deserves.