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RubyRed
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203 Posts
2/05
Posted - Feb 10 2005 : 9:51PM
I am really interested in writing for adult features. I was wondering if any of the studios ever actual buy scripts or anything. I was also wondering if anyone out there is interested, or is currently, writing for adult features. I'd be uber interested to hear what you guys and gals have to say.

"There is no room for plot in anal!"

cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 10:03AM
From what I understand, there is less demand and money in adult screenwriting than there is for new male talent.
RubyRed
Member

203 Posts
2/05
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 10:58AM
It's that dead, huh? Well, still gonna try, but at least I know I have a better chance if I tried to write,direct, and produce my own movies. (No way in hell I would get in front of a camera. No one needs to see that.)
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 11:06AM
In the "ligit world" about the only way that anyone is ever going to be interested in buy a spec script from you is if you can show them a script that was produced and made money. Business is business.

I would be shocked to hear that a porn studio has ever purchased a spec script.

-T.C.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 11:15AM
Or even used one
 
RubyRed
Member

203 Posts
2/05
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 3:36PM
Actually I read somewhere that they actually do occasionally buy scripts (usually the smaller studios), just like they buy films (thats how Michael Raven got started). You really can't compare adult to mainstream in terms of buying product due to the fact that adult doesn't deal with unions while mainstream does. So they actually get fined every time they use a non-union script.
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 3:38PM
The amount of the fine is trivial. No production company has ever been discouraged from buying a good script from a non-guild writer because of a union rules ding.

-T.C.

pil008
Member

138 Posts
12/04
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 4:06PM
I'm a screenwriter (unproduced, although I was optioned once) and although I've never tried my hand at writing a porn script, I have been thinking of writing an erotic film noir. There is a market (maybe in Europe rather than Hollywood) for films such as "The Dreamers" and "Romance", although it's bloody tough to get a screenplay produced in any market, let alone porn. But don't let that put you off (you have to be a little nuts to be a writer anyway) and get writing!

Good luck!

cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Feb 11 2005 : 4:41PM
If you've got the time, will and resources to do your own thing, by all means - do it!

Worst case scenario, it's a learning experience.

Having a finished product to show for your efforts may not be proof of your marketability, but it is at least proof of your ability to get something made rather than just talked about.

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Golden Age Classic

11018 Posts
5/01
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 12:00PM
RubyRed, here is an older thread where Rog (of Rog's Reviews) gives some pointers which might help you out.

Edited by - flash on 2/12/2005 12:00:07 PM

DVDwishes
ComX

1060 Posts
7/04
Posted - Feb 12 2005 : 2:26PM
this is very true. I know a few women who used to be in the business and from what they've told me it's about as bad as getting paid for cut someone's lawn.

I even talked to Mrs. Buttman about it and Tricia assures me that all of the directors who work for EA do their own stuff. only rarely do they even take suggestions, let alone an entire script written by someone else.

too bad too because I had a killer teleplay worked out for The Fashsionistas 2: Ready To Wear .

dac
David Aaron Clark

Just another WKW wannabe
574 Posts
2/04
Posted - Feb 18 2005 : 2:10AM
Curious as to what your writing experience is & what you would like to get out of it before I could offer any "yea" or "nay" advice, but here's a couple of thoughts:

1. Do NOT submit spec scripts unless you have a personal relationship with a director at that company or are a known quantity in this business. Otherwise, it is not entirely unlikely that you will eventually see some version of your script, or ideas, on screen credited to someone else. Be prepared if you do make a sale to have to share screenwriting credit with the director.

2. Expect it to be a losing proposition, financially. At anywhere from $200 to $1000 (and you can' count the writers who make $1000 or more per script on one hand, even after that unfortunate industrial accident) even if you end up in the loop and writing one or two scripts a month, it's a losing proposition. That fee, btw, INCLUDES rewrites, unless you're dealng with a particularly decent and sympathetic director.

3. Don't expect any respect or props from the company. While that rare decent director may treat you well, to the company you don't exist. When I wrote a major production house's huge hit of a couple years ago, not only did the director, who went up on the AVN Awards stage several times to accept its many awards, thank everybody BUT me all the way down to the caterer, I was invisible to the company itself in all regards after they had the script in their hand -- until they called looking for another one.

4. Don't expect the director to "get it" or for the finished product to resemble your work. The only dependable exception to this rule in my experience has been Michael Raven.

5. DO familarize yourself with Playboy TV's standards & practices regarding themes and content, as this is most likely the market where the company will be selling their video. Though the standards swing back and forth somewhat according to the general temperature of the culture at the moment, many themes and dramatic situations that you wouldn't think twice about including in an R-rated or even PG-13 feature are verboten.

For instance, when the Cambria List came out back around the turn of the century, one of its suggestions that the top companies took very seriously for awhile was that any themes involving prostitution were unacceptable. Sounds nutty, I know, but I had to entirely toss out the script I was about to direct for Vivid, and substitute it with another. With A.G. Gonzalez announcing a new frontal act on smut, I expect Cambria will be racking up quite a few more of those very expensive hours coming up with new advice for the industry in how to absolutely avoid prosecution.

6. If all this doesn't daunt you, here's a couple of hints: DON'T make the script dialog-heavy; in particular stay away from words over three syllables (two, if you wanna stay on the safe side) and individual lines of more than 25 words or so. There are less performers than ever who are able or even interested in handling much in the way of dialog, and the time alloted in the production schedule to even the most popular director is not enough to coax the performers through it.

Also, make everything REALLY OBVIOUS in terms of character development and subtext. Sophistication and subtlety will not make it to the screen. Unless you love to cringe, do not create characters who enjoy the benefits of a college education, as hardly any of the cast will have one. Remember this and think twice before including that forensic pathologist, schoolteacher, corporate CEO, molecular biologist or, for that matter, professional writer.

Constantly think of the kind of budgets we're talking about; keep the number of different sets to a minimum, don't write scenes that occur outdoors in urban areas (expensive to film), try not to use more than one character that doesn't have sex (though having one non-sex role that's pivotal can be helpful, as directors are free to cast actual actors for those roles), and think twice before including action sequences or special make-ups or effects that can't be done in post, because of time and money issues.

Finally, keep it within 20 to 30 pages. Otherwise it won't be read, or even if it is and is bought, that's about how much of it will make it to the screen. Also, make sure to include a sex-scene breakdown (five to seven is the average requirement) with the script for easy reference, as well as cast of characters and locations.

best,
david aaron clark

RubyRed
Member

203 Posts
2/05
Posted - Feb 18 2005 : 11:12AM
Thanks for the info. Right now I'm actually a fiction writing student in Chicago, but I've written for a few short films (two of which are going in to production in the next couple of months). If I would ever write for adult films it wouldn't be for the money. I'm not that blind. Even the credit isn't extremely important to me, it's just the experience, and also because I love writing, and I think adult film is an interesting medium. At the same time, I'm not just doing it for the hell of it. I want to get something out of it at some point, but definately not any kind of fame or anything... because I probably wouldn't be putting my actual name on the scripts. Still, thanks for the advice.
pil008
Member

138 Posts
12/04
Posted - Feb 21 2005 : 2:32PM
Writing is a tough job, but the only way to learn how to write is to write. But it is always preferable to try rather than not trying; you never know what might happen. Good luck.
RubyRed
Member

203 Posts
2/05
Posted - Feb 23 2005 : 2:25AM
I was wondering, when writing a sex scene, how do you usually write it in? I know not to be very detailed, but should it be pretty simple, as in...

Sex Scene: Male 1 and Female 2

Or is it more detailed?

 
dac
David Aaron Clark

Just another WKW wannabe
574 Posts
2/04
Posted - Feb 23 2005 : 4:48AM
It should indeed by just about that simple. You should specify the act -- boy/girl, girl/girl, BJ, etc ... and if you happen to want a specific emotion shown during it on the part of the performers, briefly describe that. don't go too far, though, because mostly in features the performers go on autopilo0t during the sex scenes ... feel free to email me through this site with any detailed questions ....
RubyRed
Member

203 Posts
2/05
Posted - Feb 24 2005 : 2:24AM
dac thank you so much for all your help. Now hopefuly I actualy get a chance. Fingers are crossed.
pil008
Member

138 Posts
12/04
Posted - Feb 26 2005 : 9:33AM
Generally a screenplay never elaborates on details, unless the details are essential to the story. However you could try putting a little more detail in your descriptions to try and get the effect you're looking for.

Sometimes I think a little more choreography would improve porn features a lot.

If you're interested in writing erotic you may find this site useful.

http://www.erotica-readers.com/




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