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hardball
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101 Posts
4/04
Posted - Jun 11 2004 : 6:49PM
I just thought of something when reading the trend about RLD and the release Paris Hilton sex tape! Some people and myself, brought up the subject of how can video or pictures be release without model release. I am not saying RLD does not have a model release, she might have sighed in triplicate! But reading this brought up some more Q's for me. How can internet sites that steal content do so and not get sued by everyone, including the models? They don't have the rights from the photographer nor the model releases! They do not even have the ID's of the girls stating they are over 18 years of age! Which would make this Federal no?
Is it that hard to find out who these thieves are and that's why people do not go after them?

Coyote
Member

Daylight Savings Time, is it really Necessary?
972 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 11 2004 : 11:31PM
TGIF..sorry this has nothing to do with your post but I'm sure RLD has the works all figured out!
Michael Saint
Photographer

Alexis Texas is always lovely
1062 Posts
2/01
Posted - Jun 12 2004 : 2:39AM
Actually probably not.

I would assume that RLD is relying on the Pam Anderson case to hold up in court. That case did allow the distribution to go ahead but I think they later got sued and had to give a portion of the profits to Pam and Tommy.

I believe in that case the judge ruled something that the couple routinely marketed their own sexuality in order to conduct business and that the tape was no different even if it was not their intention to release it.

AlexPanzer
Deactivated User

1593 Posts
6/03
Posted - Jun 12 2004 : 3:21AM
What if RLD will get sued by the Hiltons and they will go bankrupt? What will happen to the POV Pervert and the Ass Obsessed series?
Ramsey
Senior Member

Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - Jun 12 2004 : 5:25AM
Nothing will change for us if RLD gets out of business because the directors will just find another company to direct for.

As for the pirates on the internet; I assume it's hard to sue them because they cover themself really good so it's hard to track down the person behind it.

 
hardball
Member

101 Posts
4/04
Posted - Jun 12 2004 : 10:37AM
Yes I was thinking the same thing. But someone has to but a name up if they are charging you money. And what about the Credit Card charging companies, don't they need record of the person using their services for charging costumers? Or is all the theft people do for there internet sites free?
I believe there has to be a record of these people if they charge money for stole stuff on the net, just a little digging is all. Which everyone seems to be really good here at ADT so I can not see a lawyer doing the same with ease.
Renee
Member

765 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jun 12 2004 : 6:13PM
Hardball,

In answer to your question - how do people who steal porn content not get caught, if they have credit card operations:

My father was targeted by credit card scam artists, who set up phony sweepstakes contests, which people could enter by "paying an entry fee" conveniently with their Visa/Mastercard. The scam artists were all set up with the credit card companies, and proceeded to charge up $5000 on my father's account.

I was only able to get the $5000 charges dropped by getting an affidavit from the Federal Trade Commission that the sweepstakes company was phony, and hence the charges were fraudulent. Still, it took me 3 months to get the charges dropped, and I only was able to do this by filing a complaint with the US Treasury department.

In essense, even if you are offering a fraudulent product - say Internet content that was stolen from a porn company's DVD - the credit card companies don't care (they want their money, period), and they won't try and figure out who and where the Internet porn people are. It turns out that only law enforcement people can do these investigations, since it involves financial/banking/business records.

I think this is why some porn producers have tried to have watermarks on their DVD's.

baronorca
Member

Montana
528 Posts
1/01
Posted - Jun 12 2004 : 8:00PM
I still think that having "Bruno" pay them a visit would work better...
hardball
Member

101 Posts
4/04
Posted - Jun 13 2004 : 8:55AM
Yes but first we must find an address to give Bruno!
What about when they get there sites name, does this not form an open record? I know in business you have to state who you are and what business your opening in a news paper to be legal.
Anybody with any ideas to track down these modern day thieves? Someone must be smarter then these crooks!
Michael Saint
Photographer

Alexis Texas is always lovely
1062 Posts
2/01
Posted - Jun 13 2004 : 11:41AM
hardball - what you need to realize is that a lot of companies and people use internet servers that are no where near their location. A friend of mine uses and Arizona company and he is in Maine.

The companies do keep records on who owns the sites but they don't usually have the time or money to investigate each client to see if their name and location are accurate.

There are tons of places that will give you a mailing address with little or no ID and that is really all you need.

Renee
Member

765 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jun 13 2004 : 6:03PM
The scam artists who targeted my father got banks of phone numbers from the phone company in Vancouver, Canada, to call potential "contest winners", but when you tried to call them back, you only got an answering machine, or a disconnected recording. The address they gave out on their mailings turned out to be fake, yet they were still able to set up credit card operations to take in money from consumers.

To reverse the $5000 fraudulent charges on my dad's visa card, I had to contact, either by phone or by certified mail, the police department in Vancouver, BC, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Vancouver, the FTC in Seattle, the US Treasury department, and only then was I able to get the problem resolved. I did have an FBI agent from Los Angeles call me, because he had been assigned to investigating these phony sweepstakes companies.

I gather that the porn companies are reluctant to turn to government or law enforcement agencies to find the people who are ripping off their content over the Internet, for obvious reasons. But it takes government investigators to even have the resources to find these criminals, let alone put them out of business.


hardball
Member

101 Posts
4/04
Posted - Jun 14 2004 : 9:10AM
Then I would think the Internet servers would be liable for selling stole goods in their store! I know if I would take goods in my place that was stolen from a vendor and could not show the police were I got it, I would be the one in big trouble!!! It should not matter were your store is. It could be in one location and you live in another. It is one country and being across the boarder should not protect you against a crime!
Zoid
Senior Member

Boobies and Anal
2004 Posts
5/04
Posted - Jun 14 2004 : 11:32AM
Ok, I am no expert, but I thought that ripping DVDs and offering them for download isn't technically stealing. It's copyright infringement and that falls under civil law, AFAIK.

And besides, you're still thinking within ONE country. Internet is a worldwide phenomenon. One can live in Russia and have a server in Indonesia. That doesn't make things any easier.

hardball
Member

101 Posts
4/04
Posted - Jun 15 2004 : 4:28AM
Yes your right about worldwide phenomenon, and I heard Russia is all about stealing and murder, I bet all porno movies there are all ripped. But I bet most of the stealing is done within our states or legal based European Union. Which I am sure they will, if not already, have the same laws into affect about stealing other peoples work.
I think if it were possible that Porno companies as well as Music and Normal Movie making companies should unit together and fight for what's there's!
hardball
Member

101 Posts
4/04
Posted - Jun 16 2004 : 3:00AM
Yeah Renee I see your point and sorry about your pops! I begging to see why Studios have to put in water-marks to protect what's theirs. It would be like putting in a locked door in those apartments. Which I hate to go visit my friends because of those and most of times there broken and the intercom is broken too. I don't blame the studios now, but the low life thieves!!! There most be a better way!
 
Johnno
Member

The Forums
168 Posts
12/03
Posted - Jun 16 2004 : 5:33AM
In relation to to the Hilton tape I think RL did the deal with the owner of the tape...it was his to do what he likes with...I would've went to the Hilton's first & asked how much would they'd be willing to pay for it...it wouldn't be illegal as Paris was a willing participant...



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