I've been a big fan of this site for a while because it's always had some much variaty for everyone to enjoy..BBw's, teens, mature etc and all females from various backgrounds...another genre they embraced was interracial, but over the weeks i'd check the site and IR simply has not been on the menu. Now in my mind i'm thinking "oh well i guess next week we might see something"..but i've had that notion for a good eight weeks or so...so i decided to do a little digging to see exactly when the last time Score posted an IR scene featuring a black male was...and to my complete surprise the last time was JANUARY 1ST HERE . The question i ask is why? they don't have a problem shooting black women in various scenes with latin and caucasian guys...and that's good, but despite shooting females who actually do do IR for some odd reason it would appear interracial featuring black men is no longer on the agenda for score. Looking back they had Asante Stone, Lucas Stone and Jason Brown working for them over the years...but that's all done now...has any other prominent website ever done this before? Edited by - iwatchusmash on Jul 15 2014
^ they sit on scenes for a very long time apparently, you can see they added a scene of Gigi Rivera that very January First , but she's not shooting since at least two years maybe three , so they may have tons of scenes yet to be released , of any kind.
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Posted - Jul 15 2014 : 5:35PM
The problem is they would have built up a fanbase of Ir fans...so why would they "sit" on Ir scenes for SEVEN months? makes no sense to me..it just seems like they aren't shooting black males anymore.
Maybe those scenes get less overall hits than others so they are releasing more of what does get the most hits and spreading out the ones that don't?
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Posted - Jul 15 2014 : 9:03PM
I could understand that policy if they were posting at least one ir scene per month...but what they've done is post just ONE ir scene this year...which is pretty dramatic don't you think? perhaps someone should tweet them and ask why they have decided to shy away from ir featuring black males and that way we might get an honest answer...because this is the first time i've seen a website act like this.
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Posted - Aug 29 2014 : 2:07PM
So we're close to September now and STILL Scorehd, who have now changed their name to "pornmegaload", have seemingly continued the policy of not shooting black male talent!!. I really am confused...why would any decent porn company take such a stance? they shoot caucasian and latino male talent weekly..but black males have been excuded all year for some odd reason. If it was a matter of the women they shoot don't do IR then fair enough..but they've shot plenty of IR friendly women and still no BM in sight.
^Although you are correct about the change. That is only a small part because having two sites with a very similar name who shared the same content never made much sense so changing one is not a big deal but the price for the new site is now 50$ while the other score sites are 20$. I mean they are promising 1080p HD content but that can't be for the bulk of their content because it was never shot in that format. I used to join ScoreHd at least once or twice a year but the bulk of the stuff they have updated this year is so mediocre or not to my liking that I have no desire to join again.
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Yep the site has gone downhill fast imo. At one point i saw it had five updates in a row with just SOLO scenes..just pathetic. I intend to keep updating this thread every few months until score provides some clarity as to why they have suddenly excluded black males from their site. The funny thing is they have no problems shooting black women with latin/white men..so it's just the bm's they now seemingly aren't keen to shoot.
^I think if you are waiting for an answer than you will be waiting a long time because I don't think they will ever tell you the reason or at least not the real reason. If you ask me than I think that like most other porn studios they no longer have as much money as they once did and they must now cut cost as much as possible or go out of business. That and they are going back to being a little dishonest. I don't want to say that splitting their content on a couple of different site is a dishonest move but it's pretty borderline when you have a site called score video who used to have a variety of content be transformed in a large breasted only video site. It certainly doesn't help that any search capabilities have been removed from the preview site so unless you want to stroll through multiples pages of models than you won't know if you model has any scene on that site. You notice that this isn't the case for their new extremely expensive megaload site. It appears the new site is using content from the updates from 50plus which means that some people may not have to join both sites so that's a plus but only for those that were recently members because they didn't use all the content.
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Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 1:22AM
I would love someone to tweet them and ask this question...because to just exclude one demographic of men without explaination could possibly open up accusations of prejudice. @SCORESTUDIO and @Scoreland are their twitter pages It's just very odd to me because i've never seen a porn site act in this way before...if they come out and say "we have no desire to shoot black male talent" then at least we'll know the deal..although it would be quite a statement considering they have no problem shooting black women with white and latino men. I will continue to shine a light on this issue until answers are given.
^ or among their customers those downloading such scenes have become so few they're no longer profitable, with the money you use to shoot a scene downloaded 100 times you may very well shoot a scene worth 1,000 downloads prejudice is something you may consider only if there's no loss , we're talking economics , no law can force any business to lose money If they did hire black talents then prejudice can be ruled out especially considering that the taboo has weakened a lot over the years and they did when it was relatively stronger , there would be no point in suddenly avoid something they always did, unless there's something related to money , hardly a prejudice
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Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 6:08AM
Well you would see it that way considering your abiding defence for females in the industry who refuse to work with individuals purely because of race... but i digress. The bottom line is "economics" doesn't come into it...historically black female/white male porn doesn't sell as highly as black male/white female porn...yet they still shoot black females on their site with white guys? like i said they would have built up a fanbase of IR fans due to their previous work...so i'd be inclined to believe that at least ONE ir scene a month would be something that makes sense. If Mcdonalds suddenly said today "we're not gonna serve black men anymore because they don't buy enough food here"..then there would be uproar...so imo scorehd excluding black males from their site can only be looked upon as prejudice if such a claim turns out to be accurate. All they need to do is explain to the fans why they have taken such a stance..then we'll have some clarity and the speculation will be over. Edited by - iwatchusmash on 8/31/2014 6:17:46 AM
^ doesn't make sense the customer at McDonald's is the one being served ,furthermore they would serve the same food to every customer to refuse to serve black customers would be a loss of money. The talent in a porn scene is someone getting paid , the customer aka a membership buyer can very well be of any race. AFAIK they don't ask when signing up. They are still hiring black females , which means they are still profitable on that site , you cannot put a general rule on a specific store , if IR is more in demand today why would they refuse to earn? Prejudice is senseless especially because they didn't before, if so why now? I'm not a member but if I recall well they especially hired Lucas Stone who according to the latest I heard is now retired , while almost any talent can fuck young attractive girls ,not every talent can perform with 50+ and 60+ actresses as he did Anyway yes I defend the right of choice for any performer not only that you mentioned , but you may find some posts of mine defending the right for blacks to fuck blacks only, that for a star to go lez only, that for a lez to do B/G and every shade of free choice , including the right to refuse to do Anal, DP, gangbangs and so on
Edited by - LCF on 8/31/2014 6:58:57 AM
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Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 2:43PM
^^They also hired Asante Stone(who is still active), Jason Brown (again still active) and Scorpio (and guess what? he's still active) so any suggestion that the talent isn't available just doesn't fly. And what i meant with the Mcdonalds analogy is they obviously have members who are fans of IR right? so by refusing to shoot IR they are neglecting that part of their fanbase. Lastly i already pointed out that black female/white male porn does not sell as well as black male/white female porn...so the fact that they still continue to shoot the former kind of undermines any argument about "economics". I'm not trying to argue with anyone..all i'm doing is highlighting something that people should be aware of.
Asante Stone is active but certainly not the most active , Jason Brown is now often booked at Blacked and is also a regular at Mofos , plus works for Dogfart and JJV , may very well be extremely busy as per Mcdonalds analogy as already pointed out there are customer for any dish but they don't have all of them , they don't have enough customers nor profit to be able to serve anything. Same at score also I'm not entirely convinced that their black girls don't sell, after all Score is basically a niche market , big tits , mature and more mature women and some teens , but more than anything big tits , I'm pretty sure their customers are mainly interested in big black tits rather than big black dicks Your "neglecting customers" makes sense only if they are cutting more profit than shooting other things. If a shoot costs say $ 3,000 (not a real figure it's to be clear) and only 10 to 20 customers download it , the scene is useless it is only a loss , it occupy room on the server and cannot be used for a DVD release , won't attract customers from that market too, so they do want to produce something they can sell more , what would be best: to lose 20 customers but gain 100 or maintain those 20 and gaining nothing? The site always produced IR , why would they stop now , if they had prejudices why they didn't show them before? There's only one reason either economics or lack of suitable talents
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Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 6:28PM
^^i didn't say the black females they shoot "don't sell", even though the majority of them are pretty unknown in the main. What i did say is black female/white male porn sells LESS than black male/white female porn...i don't even think that is debatable. Therefore why would they stop shooting black males "because of economics" if black females featured in IR usually sell less? doesn't make sense to me. With them changing their name now one wonders if a change in ownership has something to do with them excluding black males?
That's true in general, but is it also true for Score? From what I can tell, Score's overall presentation is more focussed on the girls than the average porn site, and in their HC scenes the guys are even more of a faceless prop than on the average site. Maybe they've found that featuring black women is necessary to create the level of variety their customers look for, while featuring black men isn't.
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Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 10:36PM
they also seem to have a problem with indian males and somaon males talents. don't see any on that site. but it's true white guys enjoy paying to see black guy do white girl more than white guy doing black girl.
Do you know their numbers for sure? What's the averaging DL for every scene? What is the average cost for every scene? How many paying members have they now? Are you sure they changed ownership? usually means not always , score is a very big tits and mature ladies niche market for the most part , also BF sell less than the white ones this doesn't mean they would always sell less than anything else , maybe in that niche tits are more important than dicks. if they have problems with blacks why they still hire black women?
In that case, while a solo scene doesn't "sell more", it absolutely costs less. Like probably about 1/3-1/4 of the price of a bm/wf scene. So it wouldn't have to sell anywhere near as much to be more profitable.
There are entire sites who live mostly on solo scenes , besides a solo scene is extremely much more cheaper than an actual fuck , you hire and pay only one talent , you need a lesser crew , you pay the actress less , so you need less downloads to cover the costs , and even though such scenes wouldn't increase the sales of a DVD could very much fill the Extras part of a DVD. Besides as already pointed out , Score for the most part is a fetish site meant for big tits lovers ,the solos may be very appealing to them , furthermore there are a lot of males who don't want to see any other male in a scene , some even watch Lez only for this reason. These guys could complain even more than you do , they clearly are customers who like things they lack
It is a niched site , more than one and also either BBW and girls with a big booty have big tits , BBW have big booty too , so there's no need to separate the same things to make your point, it's a niche site and their niche is not IR , the largest part of their customers are there for big tits , I'm aware there are other things but its a minority , and they aren't shooting much of teens too, I mean they put Gigi Rivera in January , she quit THREE years ago.
So, how can you state the first if you don't have any numbers?
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Posted - Sep 2 2014 : 7:09PM
^^I was talking about scorehd's numbers..the first point is pretty much a known fact is it not? Edited by - iwatchusmash on 9/2/2014 7:10:27 PM
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Posted - Sep 2 2014 : 7:17PM
Erm i'm not "seperating" anything to make a point as they do actually have options of "big asses".."bbws"..and "milfs" on the site RIGHT NOW amoungst other things. Also as neither you nore me have the numbers or own the site we can't jump to conclusions as to what fetish it's aimed at..i'm all about facts at the end of the day and the fact remains that they haven't shot black males this entire year despite shooting IR friendly females...the question of why they have decided to exclude black males shall be asked until they provide clarity.
Without their numbers you can't say that. I don't know in general the answer to that question, so I don't think it is a "known fact." Even if that is in general correct, without their numbers you can't state that about their site. As has been pointed out, it is doubtful that they would remove something that is profitable. I think it is a "known fact" that businesses are in business to make money. The first assumption I would make is that either the scenes were costing more than others without the interest to justify the funds or they cost equal money as their other content but don't have the interest to justify the funds.They don't owe anyone an explanation for their business model. If you require such an answer for your own happiness, I suggest you personally go ask them. Repeating that you will be asking the question here until they provide clarity will not help you and if it continues will be considered harping on an issue. You stated the question continued utterances of it is harping.
Actually it is said that black females are underused and underbooked compared to white females , doesn't mean they sell less than anything , besides this is a general commercial trend which can be different in some places. Also are you SURE they are actually shooting new scenes? As I said they uploaded as "new" a scene shot at least three years ago. What if they ran out of IR scenes and are just uploading those scenes they boxed for years?
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Posted - Sep 3 2014 : 2:13PM
Not really talking "black females" in general i'm talking black female/white male porn compared to black male/white female porn...there really is only one winner when it comes to popularity. As for your last point...well i watch BBW stuff from time to time and i know Billie Austin shot for them just a few weeks ago (she confirmed it on her twitter) and the scene is on their site right now HERE ...so there's no question they are shooting new scenes. Now don't get me wrong guys i'm not trying to be all "pc" on everyone i'm just pointing something out which is very rare for a pornsite to do and it's quite concerning tbh because i hope my other favorite sites don't follow this trend.
^ and that point has no sense , even DP shoots IR Also what's the purpose of this entire thread? I mean you keep asking US instead of them , we can only speculate as much as you do , nothing is supported by any figure so nothing makes sense, ask them , you are a member right? I'm sure there's a way to contact them Edited by - LCF on 9/3/2014 3:46:34 PM
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Posted - Sep 3 2014 : 4:28PM
Erm i'm not "asking" you!!..YOU injected yourself into the thread and like i mentioned to the other poster above you're welcome to digress it if you wish. You've also failed to comprehend my last point which is no other pornsite that has shot IR regularly i.e Dogfart, bangbros, plumperpass etc has then contrived to exclude black males overnight...all i said was i hope it doesn't become a trend...nothing wrong with that. Edited by - iwatchusmash on 9/3/2014 4:30:32 PM
I said US as in plural as WE THE MEMBERS of this forum , everyone of US. You keep saying your completely baseless (as in no figures at all) conclusion even though many here put some very reasonable doubts to your conclusions and I'm not talking about me. Do have any figure of what is profitable and what is not on that site? Also do you have any figure to support that their customers are consistent with a general pattern of downloads? (I seriously doubt this ) And yet you come to conclusions without absolutely no evidence . So what exactly did you mean with this topic, clearly not any answer , nobody can answer for sure, so what? a little chat maybe , well we(WE plural) are chatting and nobody agrees with you Edited by - LCF on 9/3/2014 4:45:58 PM
I didn't go on a tangent and you haven't proven anything. Just because there is more black male/white female sites, DVDs, etc, does not in fact make it more profitable. That spreads out the sales amongst all the companies selling it. If there are less black female/white male sites, then this could actually be the more profitable way to go with less sites to fight with for customers. Which would you do better with, a hotdog cart on a street with 50 other hot dog carts or a hamburger stand on a street with 50 hot dog carts?You claim prejudice twice, just in this post, yet they are still shooting black performers? Logically doesn't that nullify any prejudice?
You opened the thread with this...And are now saying this....Since you are not asking anyone here then this thread has run it's course. Either it's an actual discussion thread, where people are not told they are interjecting with actual conversation, or it's locked. Edited by - flash on 9/3/2014 5:56:24 PM
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Posted - Sep 3 2014 : 9:10PM
Yeah "nobody" aka TWO PEOPLE!!..my god the masses are against me :D . Furthermore once AGAIN you've totally missed the point!!..the only "stats" i've talked about is the popularity of black male/white female porn compared to black female/white male porn...the latter DOES NOT SELL AS MUCH AS THE FORMER. Therefore if scorehd are still shooting black female/white male porn above black male/white female porn how on earth does that make sense financially? clearly it's a question you haven't got the intelligence to answer..so like i said you're welcome to digress this thead instead of getting mad and trying to muddy the waters. Edited by - iwatchusmash on 9/3/2014 9:34:41 PM
The thing is...any reason given as to why they're shooting less kinda doesn't matter because you won't like the answer and will try to explain why they're wrong. You're already convinced that there's a sizable audience out there for the IR you want to see and that they're losing out on profits by not doing more of it. So even if someone from SCOREHD came to this thread and explained BF/WM porn hasn't been profitable for them it would seem that you aren't willing to accept it. The bottom line is that pretty much no company will purposely stop doing something that is profitable for them just to spite their consumers or because of any evil agenda. If they stopped making those type of movies it's for a good reason and it probably goes back to money.
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Posted - Sep 4 2014 : 2:59AM
Please do not judge me..if they came to this thread and explained their position i would assess it and then go from there. Bottom line though is i'd like for them to explain to me how black female with white and latin guys (which they shoot) sells more for them than black male/white female scenes?!!..because it would appear that they are the only porn company in the entire country who has come to this conclusion.
I missed nothing , you are still stating as a fact that one kind of scenes sell more than the other with no figures , that is an average general trend , average means that there are places where this is not true or even opposite. Also nobody does not specify any figure , and since we are talking about this thread , that meant all those who replied here , if there are only 5 or even two as you said , then possibly nobody else cared to reply
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Posted - Sep 4 2014 : 5:17PM
Like i said above...scorehd would be the only site on planet earth where black male/white female porn sells less than black female/white male porn..because if this "trend" were to be true i guess everyone else will be following it right? lets see if that happens :D And thanks for "caring to reply"...it's just a shame you haven't added anything conducive to the debate.
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Posted - Sep 4 2014 : 9:53PM
Not a fan or subscriber of scorehd. Don't know much about the site but I have noticed the disappearance of Black performers both male and female is a recurring theme on this board. Despite the obvious demand for black performers companies are still pumping out all white or wm and ethnic females scenes. There was a time when porn was a can't miss business. No movie lost money now it is on the verge of going bankrupt because a handful of people don't listen to their customers and give them what they want. It is amazing to watch.
there's a lack of understanding what statistics are here , if I eat two hamburgers , you eat one and another guy doesn't eat anything at all , in statistics we ate one hamburger each , in a month that guy would be starved to death yet in statistics he ate as much as everybody else. A general average is a statistic average , it is not true in any single case , averages have the only purpose to understand the variations of trends and tendencies , black girls sell less than white girls in general (yet you assume they sell less than anything , this is a completely baseless assumption that you made , it is not true.) Some proofs Reality King network 38 sites although they often do hire black guys and girls in almost all their sites , there's no site devoted to BM/WF IR in their page ,but they have a site devoted to black girlsRound and Brown most of their scenes are IR WM/BF plus they're involved with My Black GF who is mostly made of IR WM/BF scenes although not exclusively who apparently does good enough to stay on its own out of any network , whereas Brazzers network of 39 sites who is possibly the biggest network in the world stopped updating all three its BM/WF IR sites although they hire black guys and girls for their main sites Digital Playground hired black girl relatively often and even put some of them on the main cover , black males not so much, the total of IR BF/WM vastly outnumbers that of BM/WF in there Even though Vivid has always been more inclined to shoot IR scenes than the others main companies , yet they hired a black contract star Heather Hunter who was often the cover girl and they obviously did this because she helped to sell more , so even at Vivid BF/WM scenes may be more than the opposite. A large part of Misty Stone career was with those main companies Wicked, Vivid , Digital Playground and the likes , Marie Luv also worked a lot with them and so did Jada Fire. What you keep saying as pure Truth about black girls not selling is just incorrect , they sell less than the whites whose number of scenes is innumerable times bigger than that of Black girls , but they don't sell less than anything else , it is just not true I actually put something, reasons and logic here , of course if you only consider those who agree with you , well...
If they came here and said they shoot no or fewer of this type of IR scene because it's not profitable for them, what is there for you to "assess" other than if you're going to move on to another site to get what you want? What could you possibly say that would prove them wrong or make them go back to something that they have hard numbers and have seen first hand to not work so well for them? And that's not a case of not caring about their consumers, it's just business. A comapany can't be everything for everyone. If the demand for something isn't strong enough to be profitable no sensible company is keep losing money just to those fans happy. What works for some other companies may not work for SCOREHD because of who their core audience is. Perhaps, there are other companies that the type of IR you want works for them because that's what they do and their audience is built on that. For SCORE they have different types of genre porn and perhaps the one you want is the least profitable for them and they don't see the need to keep investing money into it when that money could go to making the more profitable genres better.
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Posted - Sep 6 2014 : 3:57PM
If they came here and said we don't shoot ir because it is not profitable for us they should be boycotted and ran out of business. That would be repulsive, against basic human nature.
I don't know anything about this site, but I think there are a number of sites that focus on a specific section and don't include every race. I think West Coast Productions almost exclusively shoots black guys although there may have been series with white or latino guys, although I don't know when the last one would have been. Another site that made a change was Brown Bunnies. They used to shoot white guys, but now switched to having black guys and almost never have a white guy in a scene, except for maybe once or twice. I don't know how that compares to this though.
So, if I understand correctly, you are stating that companies should not expect profit but just cater to what you want?
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Posted - Sep 6 2014 : 10:09PM
Not saying a company shouldn't make profits but if ir does not sell why did it sell every year until recently. If it does sell but companies are using that as a excuse not to use black performers we are not talking racism we are talking Nazism and where does it stop.
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