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Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 7:14AM
The inspiration for this thread is the following thread:
Should Brazzers do an IR series?
Although this topic is related to the other thread, I feel that it is potentially important enough to merit its own stand-alone thread, rather than be buried as one post among many others in a preexisting multi-page thread.
In particular, I feel that the poster Irex made a good suggestion regarding how Brazzers might approach the IR market. The purpose of this thread is to take the gist of Irex's idea, and fully flesh it out into what I feel might be a viable way for Brazzers to effectively profit from the IR market, but without alienating any of your existing Brazzers or Mofos customers.
Here is the particular post made by Irex that this thread is based on (taken from the aforementioned thread):
(emphasis added)
In my opinion, Irex gave you the gist of the formula needed for great financial success in the IR porn market. You just need to recognize it and run with it. This thread is intended to help you fully realize the profit potential and market viability based on what Irex was suggesting, but also to more fully develop his idea in hopes that that will inspire Brazzers to implement his idea in the more fully developed form that I'm about to present.
Background.
I've been a staunch porn fan for virtually all of my adult life. Like many porn fans, I like various niches/genres/categories in porn. I have a particular fondness for interracial and anal (and especially those two categories combined into one scene, i.e., IR-anal).
I have joined Brazzers off and on many times over the years (I've also been a member of Mofos at least a couple of times). But that's my pattern with all pay websites. I tend not to be a permanent, long-term member of any pay website. However, that could change at any time. Even as I write this, there is a porn network that I'm thinking of that I'm giving serious consideration to becoming a permanent member of.
Those times that I have been a member of Brazzers, I have personally noticed the negative comments and low ratings that interracial scenes (usually those involving black males with white females) often receive. However, in this thread, the IR marketing idea that I'm about to propose will automatically eliminate ALL instances of Brazzers/Mofos members making negative comments and/or giving low ratings to interracial scenes/websites on those respective networks (not that that's the goal of this marketing idea, but that would be one of the effects of it).
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The Fully Developed IR Marketing Idea for Brazzers.
What I am proposing is a new Brazzers network devoted exclusively to interracial porn in the truest sense of the term 'interracial' (in other words, all racial combinations, not just the white female-black male combination). This proposed interracial network, bearing neither the Brazzers nor the Mofos name, would be completely separate from either the Brazzers network or the Mofos network and would not be promoted (or even mentioned) on either of the two existing networks (however, you'd still be free to promote the Brazzers/Mofos networks from within the interracial network since, like me, many interracial fans also like white-on-white porn and even the IR fans who don't like white-on-white porn wouldn't be nearly as likely to be offended by a promotional offer for the Brazzers/Mofos networks). But the bottom line is this: what the new interracial network would have in common with the other two networks is that it would be run by the same company and done in the same Brazzers/Mofos reality-based porn style that is already wildly popular.
The 7 Keys to Success (in my opinion) for the Proposed Interracial Network.
1.) The new interracial network might be cast like this:
Group I: White Female-Black Male: approximately 45% of scenes shot across the network.
Group II: Non-Black Female (other than white female)-Black Male: approximately 20% of scenes shot across the network.
Group III: Black Female-White Male: approximately 20% of scenes shot across the network.
Group IV: Non-White Female (other than black female)-White Male: approximately 15% of scenes shot across the network.
Examples of racial combinations in the above groupings:
Group I: (self-explanatory)
Group II: (Hispanic Female-Black Male, Asian Female-Black Male, etc.)
Group III: (self-explanatory)
Group IV: (Hispanic Female-White Male, Asian Female-White Male, etc.)
The reason the above ratios are skewed in favor of black males is because, generally (meaning industry-wide, not in the Brazzzers/Mofos networks), where multi-racial porn is concerned, there seems to be a stronger interest in the white female-black male combination than the black female-white male combination. However, the above casting ratios are just suggestions (based on my experience as a longtime IR porn fan). You can do some market research to arrive at your own conclusions. If the proposed interracial network is actually launched, you can further revise the casting ratios to coincide with actual customer demand from within the interracial network.
[Edited to add the following two paragraphs, which are highlighted:]
Additionally, even though I, personally, like interracial in all the racial combinations (not just white female-black male), nonetheless, many IR fans are more particular. In my experience, most IR fans who like IR involving a black male, don't like IR involving a white male. Conversely, most IR fans who like IR involving a white male, don't like IR involving a black male. The ones like me who like IR in all of the racial combinations seem to be in the minority.
What this means in terms of setting up an IR network is this: On none of the websites within the network would you have white males and black males on the same website. So, although each website would still feature the IR theme, you wouldn't mix IR involving a black male with IR involving a white male on the same website. But on any given website, you could still mix Group I and Group II, just as on any given website, you could still mix Group III and Group IV. Yet, IR fans like me who like all of the IR combinations would still have access to them all because they'd all still be on the same IR network. Thus, setting up the IR network this way would be a more effective way of catering to the specific preferences of IR fans. This is probably the major advantage to offering an IR network rather than just an IR website.

2.) The interracial network could include the following categories (same as some of the ones found on the other Brazzers networks):
Teens
MILFs
Anal (both a website devoted to IR [multi-racial]-anal, as well as the occasional individual IR [multi-racial]-anal scenes on the other websites in the network)
Big Breasts
Big Butts
Wet Butts
Big Dicks (white and black)
Newbies (new hot women to porn)
Big Name Pornstars (seasoned IR vets as well as ones making their interracial debuts)
Uniforms
Office/Work setting
Public/Outdoors
School
Sports
3.) Avoid racial stereotyping and offensive interracial characterizations.
In other words, even though it's interracial (multi-racial), just present it as sex between/among people who happen to be of different races (generally, this is the European approach to the interracial porn market--though, of course, there are some exceptions). For example, as an IR porn fan, one of the things I most like about Private Media Group is that when they do interracial, they treat it, like I said, as just sex between/among human beings who happen to be of different races. That's refreshing. I can tell you that there are a great many IR fans who are really burnt out on the negative depictions of interracial by many of the American studios (though certainly not all of them).
4.) Market the interracial network to the right consumers.
Even though you want to present the interracial/multi-racial content as sex between/among people who happen to be of different races (while avoiding racial stereotypes and racist depictions), it's still important to target IR fans. As Irex pointed out, Brazzers members don't seem to be IR (particularly white female-black male) fans in general, but that doesn't mean that there aren't probably millions of porn fans worldwide who would be very receptive to a well thought out, well-designed, and well-presented interracial network run by the company Brazzers.
5.) Exportation of existing interracial scenes/websites from the Brazzers/Mofos Networks.
a.) Move all interracial (regardless of racial combination) scenes from both the Brazzers and Mofos networks and distribute them, based on category, within the new interracial network.
b.) Ditto for the interracial websites currently within the Brazzers and Mofos networks (including any IR websites that have been pulled from the networks). Distribute them, based on category, within the new interracial network.
This exportation would accomplish three important goals: 1.) It would help Brazzers jump-start the interracial network. 2.) Members of Brazzers/Mofos who dislike/hate interracial won’t have to see ANY of it within those networks. 3.) Whereas, fans of interracial will be delighted to have all of the interracial porn situated on one network devoted exclusively to that theme (this is why the Blacks On Blondes network works so well--Irex happened to make this observation). The simultaneous attainment of all three of these goals makes this a win-win-win situation for all parties concerned. Note: Fans who like equally white-on-white AND interracial can join more than one Brazzers-operated network (perhaps at a discount). Also, regarding this exportation process, you can allow for some exceptions. For example, in the truest sense, a scene involving Rebeca Linares (Hispanic) and a white man is interracial, even if it's not commonly thought of as such by many porn fans. Hence, if such scenes are popular on Brazzers/Mofos, you can leave those scenes on those networks, but still also have them on the interracial network (because, after all, Brazzers owns all of the content and can do with it whatever they want).
6.) Interracial Network Forum (exclusive to members--i.e., paying customers).
Make it very IR friendly and tolerant regarding any topic relating to IR (including IR dodgers). Rationale:
a.) The interracial network will consist exclusively of IR fans (since no non-IR fan would have any interest in joining it).
b.) Since obviously only porn talent open to doing IR will have scenes on the interracial network, porn talent who don’t do interracial will find the network easy to avoid (hence, they won’t be around to be offended by the IR dodger discussions).
7.) Better utilization of new talent open to doing interracial.
As you know, there are a great many talent agency websites on the Internet (ADT has a sticky thread devoted to them in the Star Crossed forum). At any given time, across all of the different talent agencies, there are an abundance of super sexy white females who are open to doing scenes with black men. Many of these women are new to the porn business. Others are seasoned porn veterans who’ve decided to add interracial to their dance cards. Sadly, most of these women DON’T get cast for interracial scenes by the established porn producers. The porn establishment that hires women for interracial tend to overuse the same IR veterans to the exclusion of a great many women new to the business. Don’t get me wrong. Many of us IR porn fans do like seeing our favorites over and over again (for example, who could ever get tired of seeing Brianna Love when she was active?--very few people, if any). Yet, much though we love our favorites, there still needs to be a much greater influx of white women new to interracial porn. In my opinion, the European interracial porn market is much better at providing fresh faces than the American interracial porn market.
Toward this end, there should be a section of the interracial network forum devoted exclusively to members bringing to the attention of Brazzers hot white women (but also women of other races, too) who are open to doing interracial porn, but are currently not being hired to do so (or are being drastically under-utilized). The people at Brazzers responsible for casting should closely monitor this section of the interracial forum every day and act on the suggestions regularly. There could even be some type of voting system regarding these women at the talent agencies whereby members can vote on the women they most would like to see on the interracial network. Such a system would tend to foster membership retention/loyalty and increased sales (i.e., dollars for Brazzers). Just as ADT has a sticky thread devoted to talent agencies, the interracial network forum could also have one.
Do not underestimate the idea of continuously bringing in a good number of hot new porn babes. As a porn consumer who frequently joins pay websites, many times what gets me to join is a hot new porn babe. If I like her enough, I will join just to see that one woman.
Conclusion.
The Brazzers network is one of the most successful and popular porn networks on the Internet. There's no reason why you can't do with interracial what you did with non-interracial. You just have to approach it in the right way (in a way that makes good sense for all parties concerned). The sentiment, "Interracial doesn't work for Brazzers" is both nonsensical and defeatist. As we all know, reality tends to follow thought: if you genuinely think you can, then that's half the battle won right there (because then you will likely keep trying until you figure out a way to make it work). If you think you can't, then that often becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, too.
I have outlined some ideas in this thread that I think have a good shot at becoming commercially viable. If this more fully developed IR marketing idea for Brazzers is accepted, fully implemented, and if it works the way I envision (i.e., makes a lot of IR fans happy and makes Brazzers a lot more money), then the only compensation from Brazzers that I ask is for a new car of my choice and a free lifetime membership to the interracial network.


Edited by - pontus maximus on Feb 14 2010

Croc
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 8:31AM
I think that when you start writing long essays on porn it's a sign that you really need a long break from pornography.
Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 8:56AM
^^ Actually it's not an essay at all. It's a fully developed marketing idea being pitched to Bramm/Brazzers, but was presented in an open forum in case others are interested in this particular idea (obviously you're not, and that's fine). No one is under any obligation to click on this thread, read it, or comment on it (though anyone is perfectly free to do that if they feel so inclined).
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 8:58AM
Agree with above post. Dude, when you take writing porn companies that seriously you need a break.
Also, they already stated that won't be doing BM/WF sex, begging is a bit pathetic.
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 9:11AM
Presenting an idea for something is not the same as 'begging' for it. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Even if Brazzers continues operating as they have been in the past regarding their porn content, that's fine with me, too. As I wrote in my initial post, I've joined Brazzers off and on for years and will likely continue to do so (I enjoy many different niches/categories of porn, though interracial is one of my favorites). And besides, the marketing idea I'm proposing encompasses interracial porn in all racial combinations, not just the white female-black male combination (though I think that combination is the most popular industry-wide, which is why I presented the casting ratios the way I did--but that's already been explained in my initial post).
 
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 4:07PM
Dude you need to chill, people like different things and so who don't. We have the right to like what ever we want. I don't question about the person on that very like and it have problem not mine. BTW Pontus Maximus you have an good ideal. but Brazzers should hire a person who is into the IR market and know it. Like they should hire guys like Lexington Steele, Jules Jordan or Paul Thomas since they know the market they well. Pluse get some new black male performer that don't act like a thug but more GQ like Sean Michael is. I like your ideal.
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 4:15PM
^No dude, it's you who needs to chill. You make every conversation on this board confusing.
[mod edit: unnecessary quote removed]
Edited by - savoy on 2/13/2010 12:56:50 AM
Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 4:24PM
Thanks, Master D. I appreciate your comments. I also enjoy reading your thread that I linked to in this one. I think Irex is definitely on the right track.
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 10:03PM
damn...it's actually not half bad for a proposal...and i see where you're going with this
there are definitely some things that i would have to debate you on at a later time
but again, i'm totally cool with shooting IR ...it's just that things are a lot more different than you might think...
trust me, our marketing department is solid...if they saw any potential to shooting an IR only site, it would have happened already...
ill get into it soon enough tho...all i know is that i've been shooting all week, so right now im gonna go out and enjoy my weekend :)
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 12:31AM
^^^To be honest, I would not have expected you to actually consider this (not that you ARE considering it). I was rather expecting the usual "it doesn't work for our demographic" line. I'm not holding my breath but it would be amazing if you did this. For the record, I was a member of the network a couple of times, both times I canceled my membership after the abandonment of the IR sites; the 1st time after Racks & Blacks and Butts & Blacks were mysteriously discontinued and the 2nd after the Teens Like It Black debacle (coupled with the lovely comments left by some of your less than civil members).
I have no delusions that racism is alive and well, but I hate internet racism due to the fact that anyone can say whatever they want because there's no one there to punch them in their close-minded and ignorant face.
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I disagree Pontus.
I like it when people take a problem, and rather than simply piss and moan about it, attempt to offer a feasible solution, even on a fricking porn messageboard.
I admit I didn't read the whole thing myself (kinda skimmed), but kudos for your effort.
People should never feel ashamed for using their mental capacity to conceptualize new ideas, even on something as ill-regarded as porn.
I mean, if it's important enough to come back and post about week after week, who's to say it doesn't warrent the random manifesto every now and then from certain enthusastic members?
I personally would love to see somebody explore the love-hate relationship between porn consumers and the industry.
Not so much them loving them industry and then hating the industry, but moreso the fact that so many love the porn and hate THEMSELVES for loving the porn.
Sorry, that was really off topic. Guess I've reached my manifesto quota for this board today. lol.
Edited by - trivers77 on 2/13/2010 1:55:27 AM
Edited by - trivers77 on 2/13/2010 1:57:20 AM
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 2:30AM
Bramm:
Regardless of what you and Brazzers ultimately do regarding IR, I'm delighted that you at least cared enough to read my proposal. And as LogikX13 indicated, I'm glad that you didn't just summarily dismiss it out of hand (even though you would have been perfectly free to do so).
Thanks for that, Bramm.
Cool.
Oh, I'm completely convinced that you and Brazzers the company don't have a problem with shooting IR (personally, I've never doubted that). You've made many sincere attempts to present IR on your existing networks but your membership reaction has generally been discouraging. I do know where you're coming from on that, Bramm.
Hmmm. I'd love to hear more.
Yeah, I concede that there's a possibility that I'm wrong. It is without question that your marketing department is rock solid, given how hugely successful Brazzers is (and I'm sure Mofos does well also). However, Bramm, the way I'm looking at it is this: The marketing department at Blacks On Blondes is not better than the marketing department at Brazzers. Both departments are filled with marketing geniuses. If Blacks On Blondes can make IR work in a big way, I don't see why Brazzers can't be at least as successful at marketing IR. In principle, I don't think it's a question of IR not working for Brazzers (the company). I think it's just a question of finding the right approach (or formula) that will work for Brazzers, the company. Almost no matter what or how good a product is, if you target the wrong people it's not going to sell well. But if you target the right people in the right way, it has a real chance (though there are never any guarantees in the marketplace, I'll concede that).
But Bramm, to illustrate my point, let me give you an example. Now I know I'm just one person and not everyone shares my porn preferences, but from experience being on (or lurking at) many porn message boards over the years, I know that many people do. You know that, personally, my big thing is IR-anal (and when I say 'IR,' I mean all racial combinations, not just white female-black male). If Brazzers put up a website devoted exclusively to that theme (which would essentially be the IR equivalent of Big Wet Butts), and if the casting was rock solid (quality babes, quality studs, plenty of fresh faces as well as seasoned vets, all shot and produced in Brazzers high standards and style), I would probably immediately become a permanent member of such a website (not even Blacks On Blondes offers a website like that--at least as of the time of this post). Now, expanding upon this idea, if you have a whole interracial network with various websites within it skillfully catering to the varying preferences of IR fans, I don't see how, at least in theory, it couldn't work and work in a big way.
Obviously, I'm not a marketer (and of course there are many things that I'm not aware of). But perhaps my proposal might give Brazzers enough food for thought, that you can use my proposal as a platform to come up with your own formula that might lead to a successful entry into the IR market.
I hope you have a very enjoyable weekend, Bramm. Thanks again for replying to this thread.
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Thanks, Trivers77. I really appreciate that. And yeah, I figured all along that very few people would actually read through it (skimming it is fine). The only person I was really hoping would actually read the whole thing is Bramm (and apparently, he did). So, I'm delighted (whether Brazzers decides to act on my proposal or not).
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 5:08AM
This was fairly civil minus a few comments lol
+1 respect to Bramm
 
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Bramm:
I hope you're enjoying your weekend.
When you revisit this thread, I hope you read this post because I'd like to slightly revise my initial proposition as follows (in other words, I'd like to add a little more nuance to it in terms of how such an IR network might be set up).
What I realized subsequently is that, even though I, personally, like interracial in all the racial combinations (not just white female-black male), nonetheless, many IR fans are more particular. In my experience, most IR fans who like IR involving a black male, don't like IR involving a white male. Conversely, most IR fans who like IR involving a white male, don't like IR involving a black male. The ones like me who like IR in all of the racial combinations seem to be in the minority.
What this means in terms of setting up an IR network is this: On none of the websites within the network would you have white males and black males on the same website. So, although each website would still feature the IR theme, you wouldn't mix IR involving a black male with IR involving a white male on the same website. But on any given website, you could still mix Group I and Group II, just as on any given website, you could still mix Group III and Group IV. Yet, IR fans like me who like all of the IR combinations would still have access to them all because they'd all still be on the same IR network. Thus, setting up the IR network this way would be a more effective way of catering to the specific preferences of IR fans. This is probably the major advantage to offering an IR network rather than just an IR website.
Next, I'd like to revise a comment I made in my last post to you (in which I replied to your initial post in this thread). If you ever do decide to do one or more all-anal IR theme websites within an interracial network (such as one involving black males and another involving white males), then I would suggest that you DON'T make it (them) the IR equivalent of Big Wet Butts. The rationale is this: If you just make IR-anal alone the central theme, then that gives you more flexibility. It could include big butts, but there would be no pressure to have to feature only big butt porn women. Similarly, you'd be free to offer some wet butt scenes, but you wouldn't need to be compelled to feature wet butt scenes exclusively. Not only would this make casting easier, it would also allow the IR-anal website(s) to have more variety.
Bramm, we can discuss this further if you like once you're ready to revisit this thread.
EDIT: Bramm, because of their relevance, I decided to incorporate two of the paragraphs above (in this post) into the initial post that started this thread. These paragraphs were added to the section that discusses the groupings and the casting ratios. I also highlighted them to make them easier to find in the initial post.
Edited by - pontus maximus on 2/14/2010 4:32:48 AM
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I think this whole concept is doable, and would inject new life in the porn market. There is too much cookie cutter stuff out there already, and it would be excellent if some other companies took this concept and ran with it.
Maybe this should be posted on other porn forums, even emailed directly to every distributer and website.
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WOW...just WOW... I admit, I was wrong; the idea of an IR Brazzers network is just great and its realization would be the best thing that happened to pornography since Eon McKai and alt-porn. However there is still one tiny problem.
The shooting of content for all sites of the IR network would most likely take place in one studio. That would create a high risk of male and female talents of the same race engaging in all kinds of interaction with each other. And when two young people of opposite sex interact, there is always a chance there will be mutual chemistry. There will always be the danger that for example a white girl would run into a white boy during the smoking break and eventually succumb to the temptation of hooking up with someone who is just like her and her family. What is worse, this kind of interactions might be captured by the BTS cameraman and the editor might fail to notice and remove it causing grave offense to the beautifully post-racial and colorblind IR fans.
Therefore I propose to strictly segregate not only the sites but also the studios where the shooting will take place, ideally by an "iron curtain"-like wall. White and black parts of the studio shall be accessible only by separate entrances guarded by armed guards who will make sure that no white woman will ever enter the white studio and no black woman will be allowed to enter the black studio. The Asian chicks can function as messengers in case white and black guys would decide to hang out for beer together after the shift.
Pontus Maximus, we can further discuss the ideal hight of the wall that needs to be build between white men and white women to take full advantage of your fantastic idea once you're ready to revisit this thread. Hope you're enjoying your weekend Sir.
Edited by - Croc on 2/13/2010 5:07:57 PM
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@Croc: you clearly don't like the topic, tone, premise, idea, or whatever of the thread.
Your solution: keep coming back to the thread and posting smart alec comments.
My solution: stop reading the thread.
Which solution do you think is more in the spirit of the ADT forum etiquette?
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 2:03AM
It's actually surprising that Brazzers is making much money at all given the current environment.
As for Black/white scenes, they have no interest in producing them because of their own biases, not profitability, ergo it's not going to work to ask them to include such scenes on their site.
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@ Zaer,
Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
Brazzers already has a lot of interracial content on their network (ditto for Mofos). When I say ’interracial,’ I mean all racial combinations (including white female-black male).
I can personally attest to the fact that when Brazzers puts IR scenes involving black males on websites within their network, those scenes tend to be voted down by many of their members, no matter how popular the female performer is. Those scenes are also most likely to draw racist comments from their members. But more often then not, the comments aren’t racist per se. Rather, many of the members express disgust with such content (but without using actual racial epithets). Brazzers is running a business and their members are obviously the source of their income, so they are somewhat hobbled when they continually get such reactions from their membership regarding IR content involving black males (even black males paired with non-black females other than white women, such as Latinas, for instance). It’s a big problem for Brazzers and I, for one, fully recognize it.
My point is that Brazzers has been sincere in their efforts to cater to the wishes of IR fans within their membership. They realize that while (apparently or at least seemingly) most of their members don’t like IR involving black males, some do. But, as I’ve stated above, when they try to accommodate the members that do like IR involving black males, they tend to get very negative feedback from their anti-black male crowd.
Given that this same scenario has been going on for years, it’s understandable (at least to me) why Brazzers would be a little gun shy about putting more IR scenes involving black males on their network. Just about every time they do it, they get beat down by many of their members (some of the very people they depend on for their income). It’s a sensitive issue . But, despite this, Bramm has still gone on record as stating that Brazzers will continue to shoot the occasional IR scene and feature it within their network.
So, I think Brazzers deserves props both for all of the IR content that currently exists on their networks (Mofos included) as well as their pledge to continue to add more IR content in the future, even if only on a limited basis.
All that said, my IR marketing proposal completely gets around those problems automatically. In my initial post that started this thread, the section entitled “The Fully Developed IR Marketing Idea for Brazzers” explains it in detail. Feel free to skim through it (you don‘t have to read it word-for-word to get the gist of it).
Lastly, keep in mind that whenever you try to introduce a sweeping change in the status quo (even a change that you truly believe will be for the better for all concerned), even people with the best of intentions will tend to resist it. It’s just human nature. Even if, when all is said and done, Brazzers decides not to adopt any of my ideas now, there is always the possibility that, at some point in the future, they might attempt to implement some of these ideas in some form.
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Thanks, Stalag.
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Copy that, boss.
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That's right. I joined them a long long time ago but I cancelled right away when I noticed they were only updating with whites-only scenes. I can't and won't support a whites-only site!
 
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 8:31AM
(emphasis added)
Ramsey, you should do your homework before you render an opinion, otherwise you're more apt to make false statements. I know that IR involving black males (and probably especially white females) is the only kind of IR that matters to you, so I'll stick with that theme for a moment. For example, on one of the Brazzers websites, Big Tits At Work, there is an update dated February 3, 2010 that features Sean Michaels (black) and Shay Sights (white). (Note: whether or not you happen to like/respect the black male featured in a given scene is not relevant to your statement above, so please don't later attempt to confuse the issue.) Another example: there is a January 17, 2010 update on Brazzers Vault featuring Lexi Love (white) and Jon Jon (black). Other examples: there are white female-black male IR scenes on the Brazzers network that came out in 2008 and 2009. For example, on November 23, 2009, there was a white female-black male IR scene released featuring Shyla Stylez. In a September 9, 2009 update on Teens Like It Big, Samantha Sin did IR-anal with a black man in one of my favorite scenes. March 10, 2008 update, Teens Like It Black, Jada Stevens (white) did a scene with a black man. Krissy Lynn (white) with Lexington Steele (black) on Big Tits At School (June 30, 2009). And this doesn't even take into consideration the white female-black male IR scenes released on the Mofos network throughout the years and including currently. It also doesn't take into account the IR scenes involving black males with other non-black women, such as Latinas. Both networks continue to release white female-black male IR scenes to this day. There are many more white female-black male IR scenes on the Brazzers/Mofos networks throughout the years, but you get the picture. The IR updates on some of their white female-black male IR themed websites did stop, I'll grant you that. However, Brazzers still continued to release the occasional wf-bm scene on websites throughout their networks (which as I stated, continue to the present time).
And the above doesn't even take into consideration the great abundance of interracial scenes involving white males. Just because you don't like such scenes doesn't mean that they're not interracial. Ditto, just because the porn business in general doesn't usually classify these types of scenes as interracial, doesn't mean that they're not interracial.
I'm completely convinced that there would be a tremendous amount more of wf-bm IR scnes on the Brazzers/Mofos networks if Brazzers didn't continually get so much flack from their members when they feature IR involving black males. Despite this intense and unrelenting resistance from many of their members, they still to this day continue to release IR scenes involving white females and black males. They're at least trying to demonstrate some integrity in this area despite what seems to be insurmountable opposition from many of their members. Do you expect Brazzers to just tell all these members to go away and take their money with them? Why would they do that? Brazzers is running a business.
If you want to hate on Brazzers for whatever reason(s), that's certainly your right, but I think in fairness it's important to try to make your statements be as accurate as possible so as not to mislead other people who might happen to read your posts.

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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 9:12AM
@ Ramsey:
Also keep in mind that when you bash Brazzers, in a sense, you're acting against your own best interests as an IR fan.
As I've stated previously in this very thread, my IR marketing proposal is designed to automatically overcome Brazzers problem with their anti-black male members, while at the same time dramatically increasing the number of quality IR scenes that they produce (including white female-black male IR, which is what you like). I'm trying to help them make a successful entry into the IR market, which would benefit them financially, and it would benefit us as IR porn fans by giving us additional quality IR content to choose from.
So, when Bramm comes back to debate me in this thread, I'm going to need all the help I can get from fellow IR porn fans (that is, 'help' as in helping me sell my IR marketing proposal to Bramm, not bashing Brazzers and being defeatist).
Pontus Maximus
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Since probably most people can't get themselves to wade through the long initial post that started this thread, I'm going to copy and paste the actual IR marketing proposal in a piecemeal fashion, one 'bite-size nugget' per day (unless something happens that discourages or prevents me from continuing). Feel free to comment on each part as we go along. Keep in mind that the proposal is being directed to Bramm. Here's the first part for today, 14 Feb 2010:
The Fully Developed IR Marketing Idea for Brazzers.
What I am proposing is a new Brazzers network devoted exclusively to interracial porn in the truest sense of the term 'interracial' (in other words, all racial combinations, not just the white female-black male combination). This proposed interracial network, bearing neither the Brazzers nor the Mofos name, would be completely separate from either the Brazzers network or the Mofos network and would not be promoted (or even mentioned) on either of the two existing networks (however, you'd still be free to promote the Brazzers/Mofos networks from within the interracial network since, like me, many interracial fans also like white-on-white porn and even the IR fans who don't like white-on-white porn wouldn't be nearly as likely to be offended by a promotional offer for the Brazzers/Mofos networks). But the bottom line is this: what the new interracial network would have in common with the other two networks is that it would be run by the same company and done in the same Brazzers/Mofos reality-based porn style that is already wildly popular.
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 12:16PM
Sorry to interject but can I just disprove your opinion with some facts:
Recent Diamond Jackson scene
Recent Eve Madison scene
They don't look very white to me, oh and look they're women to not just the stereotypical black male interracial porn... BUT if you're going to play this with the whole "where are the black males?" line I'll post a link to this other fairly recent scene to that was already mentioned...
Sean Michaels/Shay Sights scene
Please don't make general and false statements. Yes they don't produce them everyday, i won't contest that but monthly there is an output of interracial scenes from Brazzers. Is that enough? Well perhaps that is more of a personal question for each of us to answer. Don't let your personal views interfere and twist the facts though - it makes your justification far more weaker.
Sorry to interrupt your thread, please continue Pontus.

Edited by - Stud_Rob on 2/14/2010 12:17:02 PM

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Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention.
Pontus Maximus
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 8:20PM
^^ That's essentially what I'm trying to bring about in convincing Brazzers to establish a new network devoted exclusively to interracial. Get it?
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 8:50PM
Well if Brazzers doesn't make a network for IR then you should email Lexington Steele, Jules Jordan, and Paul Thomas about a IR website like Brazzers. There are other IR website out there that IR fans can try out even know they aren't as good as Brazzers is it will do for now.
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 9:52PM
^^ Master D, you're kind of reading my mind.
The more I think about this, the more I think this idea, properly implemented and marketed, could be HUGE! It could take the porn industry by storm.
If I were heading a well-established and well-capitalized porn company, I would immediately run with this idea. I would not hesitate for a moment. I think the market is ready for it.
Sure, there's already a big IR-themed network in Blacks On Blondes. It's a great network and I've joined it before myself. B.O.B. does have a big fan base and deservedly so. However, in point of fact, there are many IR-fans who don't like the way they present IR. There exists a fantastic opportunity for another high-quality IR network to be introduced into the marketplace that would fill niches within the IR genre that are not presently being filled by B.O.B.
If I had the means to set up such an IR network, then I would proceed something like this: I would hold a meeting with my marketing department and go over the details of my marketing proposal. Next, I would have my marketing department design, on paper, exactly what the interracial network would look like (including deciding on the name and niches/categories of each website within the new network). I would get my casting department to scour the various talent agencies and hire the finest female newcomers available (newcomers of all races who are open to doing IR) and pair them with A-list studs and shoot the scenes to perfection. I would also shoot new scenes with the most popular of the current crop of IR porn babes (including sweet talking some of them into making their IR-anal debuts, as well as shooting some new IR-anal scenes with ones who've already done IR-anal elsewhere). I would sweet talk some big name porn women who haven't done IR yet to make their IR debuts (of course, most would say no (which is fine), but there are some who could be convinced). I would even consider shooting some great IR content with super-fine female talent from foreign countries, such as Europe and Canada. Then, I would have my webmasters actually set up the new interracial network with the various websites decided upon by the marketing department. I would transport the existing IR content from Brazzers/Mofos and distribute them, by niche, among the new IR network. I would merge all the new IR content that I had been shooting for the last several months with the pre-existing IR content. Once the new network was ready, I would arrange for a special, limited time only reduced price for new memberships (no more than $19.95 initially, maybe even less to entice people to join). Next, I would decide on a launch date for the new IR network. And finally, I would engage in a massive marketing campaign with ads and press releases out the ass letting the marketplace know about the new IR network and the date it would be launched.
I think this idea has so much potential, that if Brazzers declines to act on it, I'm going to pitch it directly to Naughty America.
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(15 Feb 2010 update:)
The 7 Keys to Success (in my opinion) for the Proposed Interracial Network.
1.) The new interracial network might be cast like this:
Group I: White Female-Black Male: approximately 45% of scenes shot across the network.
Group II: Non-Black Female (other than white female)-Black Male: approximately 20% of scenes shot across the network.
Group III: Black Female-White Male: approximately 20% of scenes shot across the network.
Group IV: Non-White Female (other than black female)-White Male: approximately 15% of scenes shot across the network.
Examples of racial combinations in the above groupings:
Group I: (self-explanatory)
Group II: (Hispanic Female-Black Male, Asian Female-Black Male, etc.)
Group III: (self-explanatory)
Group IV: (Hispanic Female-White Male, Asian Female-White Male, etc.)
The reason the above ratios are skewed in favor of black males is because, generally (meaning industry-wide, not in the Brazzzers/Mofos networks), where multi-racial porn is concerned, there seems to be a stronger interest in the white female-black male combination than the black female-white male combination. However, the above casting ratios are just suggestions (based on my experience as a longtime IR porn fan). You can do some market research to arrive at your own conclusions. If the proposed interracial network is actually launched, you can further revise the casting ratios to coincide with actual customer demand from within the interracial network.
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Posted - Feb 15 2010 : 9:41AM
alright...here we go...
i gotta shoot soon, so im gonna try to make this short...
again, i have completely nothing against shooting IR porn...i shot a few scenes for 'milfs like it black' and it was cool...(btw, keep an eye out for jody breeze, awesome male talent to work with)
the only way i think an interracial site would work on the brazzers network is if we focussed primarily on girls who don't usually do IR or have never done it and are really big on our site (jayden jaymes, rachel roxxx, nikki benz...etc)
keep in mind, although it is a relatively decent market, it definitely has decreased in popularity over the years...its definitely not in the same place it was 5 years ago...
you also need to keep in mind that member retention is just as important as finding new members. so, if we tried out a new IR site, do you think the new members we bring in will replace the ones we lose? is it even worth attempting considering how our members already feel about IR ...already it is very clear that they're not big fans of it...
i think the idea or a completely separate network of only IR was mentioned as well. this is also a great idea, however, we need to remember that it isn't as big a market as it used to be and thus may not be worth the investment, especially if you consider the fact that the market is heavily over-saturated these days ...besides, we are/were planning on more or less doing this with mofos.
so im sure you can understand that at this time, although we may be able to bring in new members with an IR site, i think that the reason we don't do it is because we just don't want to risk compromising our site (at this time)...i think that if/when we become more of a brand name and want to use the name to reach out to EVERYONE then we will focus more on everything else out there...but for now, it looks like big tits/hot chicks vs. big dick white dudes
im still recovering from this weekend, so i hope all this made sense lol
 
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(By mistake, I hit "reply" and made a post before I was finished. Stay tuned.)
Edited by - pontus maximus on 2/15/2010 10:22:57 AM
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Bramm, I never proposed that.
I guess that can be said of porn in general, with declining sales industry-wide (I'm sure the economy is a factor too, though).
Irrelevant. Like I said, Bramm, I never proposed such a thing.
Basically turning Mofos into, more or less, an interracial network? Now we're getting somewhere. Depending upon to what extent you were planning on doing this, and depending upon whether or not you follow through with this idea (and how you follow through with it), sounds intriguing. In fact, it sounds damn exciting to me. Bramm, I'd love to hear more about it. When you have the time (I know you're very busy), I would love it if you would come back to this thread from time to time and discuss it. I think more people than you realize would be interested in hearing more.
By the way, Bramm, thanks for continuing to shoot IR scenes on your networks (despite the naysayers trying to discourage you). Much appreciated, sir.
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Posted - Feb 15 2010 : 12:57PM
Paul Thomas? This is it, this is the bottom!
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At least Paul directed "Janine's Been Blackmaled." The late director Jim Holliday never would have done that in a million years.
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Posted - Feb 15 2010 : 3:06PM
bramm,
I think the problem people dont get is 99% of the ir stuff sucks. black pipe layers was probably the best series. CJ is doing a good job now too. I think the problem is most movies are a group of guys standing around what is normally a disgusting looking girl or milf who has been around forever and degradign her. I think if a girl like Austin Kincaid, Nikki Benz, Lichelle Marie, or Diamond Foxxx did a scene that involved a story line it might work. You also have really hot girls like Kate Jones, Sara Beth and Allison Star that do IR but havent been on much yet. The market has no set up to scenes like porn always did, there is no seduction or woman caught in a reluctant situations. This new brobang site everyone was talking about is a bunch of disgusting girls with 10 guys who around them degrading them. What is the purpose?
something liek below.
Austin Kincaid opens her front door with nothing but a bath robe while 2 or 3 black men (Or a white and Black guy) are repossesing her car because her husband didnt pay the monthly payment. She asks what is going on when one of the men approaches with the paperwork. She loves the car. Is there anything she could do to save it?
Example a woman like Diamond FOxxx.
Diamond comes home where her son is being arrested by two black police officers. Her son is trying to get into an ivy league school and the arrest will destroy his chances. Thus, Diamond is let with a decision to make.
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Posted - Feb 15 2010 : 6:17PM
Well because of the sterotype that in IR porn. They have to many ghetto theme in it and many IR fans don't like it. I like how Lexington Steele, and Jules Jordan don't used the ghetto sterotype theme in there movies. If IR porn is going to be big then it got to get some fresh new black male performer that don't act like a thug but more like Sean Michael. Pluse alot of new girls who are getting into porn are doing IR now and alot of girls have been asking these IR dircetor that they want to do IR but they try to get the girls that don't do IR (I won't named people) alot of money to do IR. BTW I have seen the new Brobang website and it just another sterotype too me. Until Brazzers can get an IR network for IR fans we still have BlacksonBlondes.
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I doubt they will do it. They probably will wish to concentrate on owning even more tube sites, so more and more stolen content can be exploited.
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 12:38AM
Bramm's last post seems to imply that IR generally goes over at least a little better on the Mofos network than on the Brazzers network. Yet, wasn't at least one IR website removed from the Mofos network?
I still think the best approach is what I've been proposing all along: Brazzers should introduce a new exclusively IR network independent of the Brazzers/Mofos networks (but in press releases and ads, they could still exploit the Brazzers name by stating that the new IR network is being brought to you by Brazzers). It wouldn't be that expensive to capitalize because they could start the new IR network mostly with pre-existing IR scenes moved over from the Brazzers/Mofos networks. That would make all the anti-IR members at Brazzers/Mofos happy and concentrating the IR content on an IR-exclusive network would please the IR fans. I guess ideas that make the most sense are the most likely to be rejected--at least initially.
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 3:40AM
Really interesting thread. Haven't read it all yet, but I will!
melt
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 6:06AM
You mentioned the possibility of chatting to Naughty America about your concept. Great idea in my opinion. They have a new CEO and he appears to be very cool.His twitter
Croc
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Lol, that black guy is not the new CEO of NA. He simply won a rather silly competition and his prize consist of the worthless "NA president" title, some cash and a nice apartment in California where he can stay for 6 months.
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 7:37AM
Well one of the girl will say do IR and that is Jayden Jaymes. As for IR fans there are other IR website out like MILF Like it Black and BlacksonBlondes to enjoy.
melt
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 9:21AM
Agreed but...... he is supposed to be a PR rep for the company while in his post - Read what the position involves So he may be able to make a case for some changes from the inside which may result in more success than just another member writing in.
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 9:46AM
[16 Feb 2010 update:]
Here's the rest of Key #1 of "The 7 Keys to Success..." These two paragraphs were NOT in the original proposal, but were added soon thereafter.
Additionally, even though I, personally, like interracial in all the racial combinations (not just white female-black male), nonetheless, many IR fans are more particular. In my experience, most IR fans who like IR involving a black male, don't like IR involving a white male. Conversely, most IR fans who like IR involving a white male, don't like IR involving a black male. The ones like me who like IR in all of the racial combinations seem to be in the minority.
What this means in terms of setting up an IR network is this: On none of the websites within the network would you have white males and black males on the same website. So, although each website would still feature the IR theme, you wouldn't mix IR involving a black male with IR involving a white male on the same website. But on any given website, you could still mix Group I and Group II, just as on any given website, you could still mix Group III and Group IV. Yet, IR fans like me who like all of the IR combinations would still have access to them all because they'd all still be on the same IR network. Thus, setting up the IR network this way would be a more effective way of catering to the specific preferences of IR fans. This is probably the major advantage to offering an IR network rather than just an IR website.
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Posted - Feb 16 2010 : 10:09AM
@ melt:
The possibility of pitching this idea to Naughty America (NA) is still on the table.
In the meantime, I'd really like to hear more from Bramm about, as he put it, "more or less" converting Mofos into an interracial based network.
But if, at anytime, anyone feels so inclined to bring this concept to the attention of NA, feel free to do so (perhaps by giving them the gist of the idea [which essentially is establishing a new IR network that could directly compete with the Blacks On Blondes network, rather than merely establishing another IR website], informing them that Brazzers declined the proposal and has apparently decided to continue pursuing their own plans, and then linking to this thread for details).
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I know that when Mofos was first released it was branded as the answer to all the IR request from members, being that it included multiple ethnicities of both genders. Then it somewhat became Brazzers Jr., at which time they moved Day With A Pornstar and discontinued Teens at Work. After that the top rated scenes on the network came from Milfs Like It Black for the most part. It almost seems as if they are, yet again, trying to move away from IR with the addition of Real Slut Party and I Know That Girl, neither of which have included a single IR scene, let alone pairing. I made the argument on the Brazzers forum that it should just be Pornstars Like It Black to avoid any limitations in the talent pool.
Again, if the company is open to the idea, the content would be far superior to any internet based IR series/site that is out there. The Dogfart network is the last bastion of IR on the internet right now and that's a sad thing to see. The largest consumers of IR being white males, they play into the degradation and humiliation aspect of IR that exists in this country and thus most of their scenes are relegated to gangbangs and cuckolds. Also, as Master D has pointed out almost all the black male talent plays up the ghetto/thug stereotypes of black males which is not something we all want to see. I myself hate that aspect of IR porn since I can't identify with it nor can I identify with "vanilla" porn but I still watch it (a cheap shot at all the haters that say they don't like IR because they can't picture themselves as the male talent).
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