Is it me or did the once taboo subject of interracial come in and spread like wildfire? Is there still a cult-like following out there for pure black on black porn? Don't get me wrong, I show up for work early no matter what color the girl(s) may be. It just seems like the straight up "black on black" is the taboo subject these days. I watch a ton of porn and I know that "bob" is standing strong, I just wonder how long it'll stand behind interracial? Keep in mind that I do love interracial just as much as I love "bob".......
If this is really CJ, I met you at AVN at the booth you were working at.....you're a cool dude. I got the very last bag of freebies. Should have been more chicks at your booth, but it's all good.he he he he
As far as the question.....I think black on back has better long term future. Inter racial stuff is just like any other "genre" of entertainment that becomes wildly popular, the companies all jump on it..and over do it to the point that consumer gets sick of it....(it happened to "grunge""floss era hip hop" and even before that "disco" )
The inter racial stuff is almost at the 15th minute. Almost every over the top gimmick has been explored and exploited.
The Black on Black stuff may not be selling as much, but there's less chance of it being played out.
is interracial talk during a scene just as arousing as sex or could you care less? does some serious interracial talk give meaning to the action and is there a limit?
p.s. Yes, this is the real cj wright (the skinny black man himself)...lol
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Posted - Mar 30 2007 : 12:01PM
Black on black content is in as much danger of going away as white on white content.
WCP is usually the only time i actually get to work with black girls. I think WCP might be one of the few companies who generally stick to more "bob" although they have a huge choice of interracial.
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Posted - Mar 30 2007 : 6:43PM
The majority of the market is white males.
In my experience, very few white males are interested in seeing black males with black females.
They either want to see black girls, but someone that looks like them fucking them.
OR
They want to see white girls being "violated" by inhuman black cocks.
But black on black? That's just too far removed from what they are comfortable with in day to day life.
But I can't blame them either. I am black and dig almost any kind of racial couplings as long as the girl is hot. But for some reason, I just can't get into Asian porn that has all Asian actors. I need some kind of black/white/latino guy in there to give me a frame of reference.
You raise a good point Tritone. There is something eye catching or "nasty" about the whole mixing of races during sex and for the most part, it does arouse us all. It's funny because I remember sneaking to look at my uncles old porn stash as a kid and there was nothing more interesting to me than some ol' hairy, sweaty, grimmey, rugged, back breaking black on black porn. Now, everything is as polished and clean as the lens we shoot it on! Well, no matter it be black on black or interracial, I'm more concerned with some big ol' booty......lolololol
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Posted - Mar 30 2007 : 9:57PM
Since black on black porn is always going to appeal mostly to a predominantly black audience, it could be considered a niche product. But it's a significant sized niche, that may very well be underserved at the moment. That was the reason for Black Ice being formed, and part of the reason for The Candy Shop. High quality porn, hopefully, for a sizeable minority. Personally, if the chicks are hot, and the fucking good, I'm there, regardless of race. I think it's one of the few directions that porn still has room to grow in.
It doesn't help the budgets and overall quality of a LOT of BoB porn is very low, perhaps because its considered niche, but then again is it BECAUSE of the quality that its remained niche?
wow, damn good point DreadSynapse!!!!! what type of improvements are consumers looking for..... better physical appearance among actors/actresses, better storyline...better costumes or just having the actual sex being taken to a much more appreciative level for the fans?
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Posted - Mar 31 2007 : 12:18AM
On that same note, I thought Black Ice's latest (black on black) BJ flick, Meat on the Grill was pretty good. Nice production values and decent POV BJs.
I don't think it's "taboo" I think that it just not as strong a seller. I'm black but I don't end up buying much Black on Black stuff because in so many BoB DVDs they usually don't have enough black women in them I find attractive to justify renting or buying. Now, I'm not saying these girls are ugly or that there aren't any black women in porn that I find attractive because there are lots of beautiful black women in porn but with BoB porn it usually seems like I find the cover girl pretty and perhaps one other girl and the rest of the women have looks that don't do much for me. There have been some titles with what I consider all beautiful black women but I don't run across those that often.
It seems like when it's a white male on Black female title they go for the cream of the crop more often than not. Most BoN seems to be mostly filled with black women I've never seen before and sporting a look I'm not into. And to be fair there's tons of white girls with looks I'm not into either but there's so much stuff out there with white women in it and so many white porn stars finding a better cast of white women I find attractive is much easier.
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Posted - Apr 1 2007 : 12:27AM
Generally from what I've seen of the white male on black female titles, they tend to select those black women with body types that would best appeal to white males, so I doubt it's a matter of looks so much as it's a matter of body type.
And I don't think bob movies are a taboo subject they just aren't discussed that often given the demographics of the adult industry and the fact that it's mainly concerned with white on white content.
Draxxx' post really nails the issue for me as well. I'm not Black nor am I American, but the points made about BoB titles are very apt.
Not that this doesn't also happen with non-BoB porn, quite a few studios seem to use the same tactic of one-or-two very hot women and 2-4 "filler" performers.
As stated though, with a larger pool of performers to pull from you have more chance of more people you like.
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Posted - Apr 1 2007 : 4:32AM
I'm not so sure I agree with this. I am with Draxx, the white porn directors/producers mostly get the best looking black girls regardless of what "body type" they might have. This might be big butt girls, skinny girls, some combination of that, big titis girls, etc.
If a white guy is into black girls, he can usually dig the wide spectrum of whats available. I am just saying that he'd rather see them fucked by white guys instead of black guys.
As a European Whiteboy, I must admit that some of my true fetishes and dreams, involves the beautiful Afro-American women! They, infact, are the inspiration for my nick-name... I think some of the best, hottest and erotic performers are black. Both male and female, I must say. Justin Slayer (with companions), Mr Marcus and Lex are unique in that matter.
However, as long as many black on black movies have so many lousy male performers, in my opinion, the movies tend to suck. Not due to the female, but some of the male (as in other genre's of porn). Everytime I see Wesley Pipes, Byron Long, Shane Diesel, Mandingo, Nat Turner and Brian Pumper, I simply not wanna see the film, as they are so boring and sad to watch... Wood-issues and un-charismatic apperances. I'm not saying that every performance with these guys are bad, but the majority seem to suck.
I'm a black male, and to be honest with you I'm not really a fan of black on black porn. It just (at least the product I've seen the last 7-8 years) seems that the production value hasn't been up to par, and the actors don't seem to put out good performances. I'm all for using women who look like someone you work with or the everyday woman (along with the model types) but sometimes the women in the black on black films look straight SKANK!! (This isn't all of them...just the majority that I come across)
I personally enjoy watching black females get fucked good, hard, and deep no matter the color of the dick, as long as the performance is good. But for every Jada Fire, Cheyenne Jacobs, Courtney Devine, Kapri Styles, you have 10-15 females that look like they came from a strip joint (and not a top line one) just for a check. I recently purchased the first installment of "WHITE WASHED GANGBANG" and Chloe Black and Kelly Star put out some great performances. I just don't see the energy in the black on black films. The last time I was impressed by black on black action it was the EARLY "SUPER FREAKS" volumes by Elegant Angel and early "SUGARWALLS". Now it's a crapshoot that I no longer bet on.
So now, I just watch black females that look good no matter WHO they're being fucked by and all other gonzo that is good (without spitting, slapping, anal cocktails, and excessive gaping...lol)
I'm a black male also and DIZMGOTDAJIZM is right, for some reason the black on black porn quality is not up to par. I see a "bob" movie and the girl's energy isn't there. Same girl in an interracial movie and it's like a completely different person. She's in to it alot more. I'm still watching "bob" movies because that's what I want to see but I just wish the quality would go up.
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Posted - Apr 1 2007 : 10:10PM
Well I think white directors/producers tend to put in their films the black women that look the best in the way they think more so than good looking black women period. They have their own perspective of what looks good and that usually differs from what black men think is attractive.
Now you've said that you believe that the black women in white movies tend to be better looking. Well if you've noticed what the women look like you would see that they tend to have certain physical features and body shapes that women in black movies don't.
So I would say that those women in the former group are women you're naturally more interested in, so really it's not a matter of the women objectively looking better, but more a case of deciding that black women with features white males are more attracted to are better looking, in your opinion.
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Posted - Apr 2 2007 : 12:06AM
Seems to me they're the same women in both genres. I can't think of any black female performer that features in white productions who isn't active in black ones as well. I also think there's no specific type that appeals to just white men. Or black men either, for that matter. Do Marie Luv, Jada Fire, Sydnee Capri, Candace Von or Kapri Styles resemble each other in any way, shape or form? They're all wildly popular though, and right across the board. I do think that a lot of black on black porn has been amateurish in the past, seemingly done on a lark and with one shot performers. The market is definitely there and companies have been moving to fill the vacuum. There are a lot more high profile women burning up tape the last few years, and a lot more good productions with them in all the niches. The male performers run the same gamut as their white counterparts. A few great ones, some good ones, and a mess of mopes.
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Posted - Apr 2 2007 : 2:26AM
After all the stereotypes and uninformed statements you've made about blacks in the gaggers thread you really don't have any place to make suggestions on what would make their movies better.
Now you were stating that the black male actors actually care about the women enjoying the scene. Do you find that bothersome?
And then you went on to juxtapose that comnment next to the statement about those actors caring more about themselves, which is contradictory, either they care more about themselves or the woman.
Furthermore in the context of caring about the women enjoying the scene in bob movies, I assume you would prefer to see the women suffer? Because what you almost never see in black on black movies is slapping, gagging, making the woman vomit, punching, or any other overt physical violence towards black women that you see in white on white movies.
So if that lack of violence and too much "concern about the woman's enjoyment" among the black male actors is a problem for you then you should probably stay away from it since you seem to prefer physical violence being done to women.
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Posted - Apr 5 2007 : 11:34PM
The issue isn't about bounced checks but about your obvious distaste for blacks in general and the black talent in the industry specifically (male and female) given your comments about both.
However, since you brought up the issue of bounced checks associated with black on black sites then it would make sense to not work on them. And if you have that much of a problem working with blacks in general then one has to wonder why you work with them at all.
Being a porn-monger, I can tell you what I see in my store everyday. Interracial (black male/white female) appeals to 3 major demographics: black men, white men, and white women. The only customers that seem to avoid it are black women.
Black-on-black porn appeals to a smaller demographic; mostly black men and black women.
I think viewers have to identify in some way with at least one performer in a scene. All-black porn doesn't have many white viewers. In fact, I don't think I've ever sold or rented an all-black title to a caucasian.
That's just my observation. Of course, there are undoubtedly exceptions, and it may be different in other parts of the country.
Am I the only one that sees this the totally opposite way? There's tons of black on black flicks coming out every week from companies like Black Market and Black Ice, there's plenty of black on black action. Yes it's true that black guy/white girl interracial is plentiful. But just try finding white guy/black girl porn and you're shit out of luck. I love watching black girls get it on with white guys, but it's just not out there. There's so many hot black chicks doing all black porn that I NEVER get to see take on white cocks. It's frustrating and annoying, won't SOMEBODY step up to the plate and start making a series or two dealing with white guys fucking balck girls on a regular basis? The same big assed black girls that shoot flicks for Black Market and Black Ice, that's what I want to see! There are a few movies here and there by PXP and a couple of other companies, but nothing with a steady stream of flicks coming out on a consistent basis.
i run internet sites in about most every niche there is and my 2nd and 4th biggest sites out of 30+ are bob sites, those being Ass Like That and Hood Hunter. I have released two Ass like That dvd's and Hood Hunter is coming but those numbers seem to be right in line as well. So no I dont think its taking a back seat.
I like the recent trend towards non-racial porn. Alot of the porn guys are just hiring girls who bring the heat. As an example, it used to be that most of the black female performers ended up in interracial or BoB porn. Now I can pick up a Manuel Ferrara, Erik Everhard, Steve Holmes, or Robby D (just about any director) flick and find girls of different ethnic backgrounds just because they bring the heat.
Evil Angel and Redlight District (before the director hiatus) hired Marie Luv alot. I was happy for it. It seems that directors nowadays are more racially blind. If a girl brings the heat, they will hire her. That's what they seem to care about. I like this movement towards films that feature hot girls of varying ethnic backgrounds getting it on with male performers of different ethnicities because both will bring it.
I have films now that will feature Marie Luv, Jasmine Byrne, and Melissa Lauren all in the same film fucking Manuel, Franco Roccaforte, and whoever. I like the way porn is mixing it up now. You bring the heat, you get the work. That's how it should be. May not be perfect yet, but I see porn trending into a more ethnically diverse direction. And I like it.I hope it keeps moving in that direction.
Personally, I have no particular type of porn I like to see from a racial standpoint. I have no particular type of women I like ethnically. I like it when they mix things up. That's how I am. I'd be just as happy having a chance to fuck Marie Luv, Jasmine Byrne, or Sasha Grey. I don't care about the women's race. Hot is hot.
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Posted - Apr 6 2007 : 10:41PM
If this were true, you would see scenes in productions like Flesh Hunter or Service Animals with someone like Marie Luv fucking a Nat Turnher. Instead, that type of scene will always be relegated to BoB productions, and if Marie was to appear in videos like the examples I chose, she will always be paired with a white man, or men. If it was only about the heat, the color combinations wouldn't matter at all. The only company I can ever remember being that color blind was Anabolic in their salad days, and even then, it was rare.
Who says Black Porn is not strong? Look at all of the studios who have embraced Black Product. Its not just niche anymmore its big business. Black is the last frontier.
I say good Black LESBIAN Porn is not strong! Look at all of the studios who have NOT embraced Black Lesbian Product. It's starting to become more niche. It could possibly become big business (Big Ass Slumber Party - Black Ice).
In a feature movie the director's skills are key. If we talk about Gonzo I strongly disagree.
In Gonzo it's all about casting and setting an atmosphere. Than just shoot what happens. Of course you need some basic skills about lighting and camera angels but that's secondary.
And money is important. Shooting only with the best performers and not more than one scene a day makes your product better, but also much more expensive.
That is also a reason for me NOT to shoot racial oriented movies. I don't give a fuck about skin tones if I get a hot performance.
I must be in the minority then as I enjoy BoB porn and I'm a white man in the UK. I have recently been collecting a lot of Black Ice titles as they feature a lot of the kind of girls I like. Especially girls like Kitten and Sydnee Capri. Mind you, I tend to prefer black or latino girls anyway. Vanessa Del Rio has always been a big fave of mine too.
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