(There is a section for it in amatuer black porn, pro black porn nowdays no there isnt.) Okay here is where all that becomes awashed "the average black male performer just want to fuck her" I threw this list out before but the brothas I have seen in many rimming films and some ask for it when the scene doesnt even call for it: Tee Reel Lefty Larue Tone Capone Lee Bang Brian Pumper Shorty Mac Byron Long Mr Marcus Joachim Kessef Deep Threat Richard Mann Sean Michaels(who made his own asslicking flick.) Questions: So these guys get down and freaky only with white women and they rather just straight fuck black females is what your saying? (actual question.) Even though brian pumper dates black females, heard he was dating melody nakia. Sean Michaels... He made his own series in asslicking, why did it feature alot of interracial asslicking when IR aint even in the title. So which is it the black females jada fire and india he put in there didnt want to do it with black men, or the black men didnt want to do it with black females? Richard Mann admitted he likes that, so does he like it only with white women? Black Companies has IR titles that features whitegirls doing that with the brothas, Alone In The Dark with Sophie Dee, Fuck My white Ass 3 with lexi love, a few of shane diesel's flicks. So do black companies only okay freakiness with black men and white women? Joey Silvera has put black women in his black cock addiction series, a series that has featured women gettin nasty and doing rimming with black men, but none of the black girls he put in there did. Now thats not a black director, so what happened there? Rico Shades and blackbachelor both film black on black porn but havent got much work from black females in the game, but have gotten it from white women, where are the black women at especially with rico shades, who loves it all if you ever visited his site, you want passion black men? If so then why not shoot somethin for him? why not any black females who want to get down shoot somethin with him to get nasty with. So unless you are saying the average black men in porn and can prove they are not into black females like that enough to put the passion into the scenes, it is awashed. (Oh and by the way this isnt about me liking something Im seeing this is about me and others liking somethin Im not seeing.) And this Demand stuff got to stop, first of all with the black companies if freaknasty black porn is not in demand then why did they try to copy gangbang my face and sperm receptacles with throat injections and crunk juice, why did justin slayer even name his movie black girls get nasty too, if it was going to be conservative sex he was shooting for? Somethin not making sense there... And as far as brothas not being into it, LETS ALL STOP ACTING LIKE BLACK FANS NEVER SAW ANY BROTHA THAT I MENTIONED AND ANY BLACK FEMALES DO ANYTHING FREAKY ESPECIALLY RIMMING WITH WHITE MEN AND WOMEN, I GAURANTEE YOU BLACK FANS HAVE SEEN THEIR INTERRACIAL STUFF AS WELL AS THEIR BLACK STUFF, LETS NOT BE THAT NIAVE TO SAY FANS OF BLACK PORN DONT WATCH IR PORN AS WELL... BLACK FANS KNOW So saying that this is their mindset "Oh I want to see IR porn be freaknasty, I dont want to see that shit in black porn, thats disgusting when it black on black." That dont make any damn sense, whatsoever. So to say it is NOT in demand is basically saying, that people think its alright interracially and white, but disgusting if black porn does it. Again doesnt make any sense, And I'll say it again trust me, alot of black porn fans probably the majority watch interracial porn. Lets not sit up here and say, that films like black cock addiction and gangbang my face and so on has an major audience of whites. Sara Jay is big in the hip hop community as pinky and cherokee d'ass is, so alot of black do watch IR porn as well a black porn. And another thing about this "NOT IN DEMAND STUFF" You cant say something that hasnt been around in Years and years that it's not in demand, new time, new years, new bar raised, ect. Prove that its not in demand, how in the world could you go by word over proof.
You bring up a lot of good points Supa Dupa, can't argue with you there. I am also dissapointed in the films you mentioned, as we're not getting to see what we want. It's one thing to be conservative and a bit "softcore" if you will in regular movies, but naming titles and making movies for a specific nasty genre and still seeing the women performing the same lackluster way...
I have tried hard to get into black porn but some of the comments above are spot on. I don't see the hardcore so called circus acts performed in black porn. I don't recall seeing dap, dpp, gaping, or good gangbangs in black porn. It seems a lot of the stuff is just big ass non anal smut. It is tired and repititious. Some more diversity would help. I would buy a black gaping movie any day.
In Slipping Into Darkness, Vanessa Blue said that black girls don't gape. I'm not sure that she's actually done a survey, but she certainly defeated Mark Wood's attempts, lol. Edited by - hardware on 8/25/2009 7:38:23 PM
I totally agree Prophetman13. The closemindedess of the black porn industry is what is limiting its potential beyond a black audiance. I like a big jiggly ass as much as the next guy, but I need more. I want more DP, more anal gape, and more circus acts. Anal gape in particular should be a no brainer for black porn given its huge focus on the rear end. It's just so many missed opportunities. You can't blame the typical white porn watcher on just ignoring the all black genre when it has become so watered down. Though there probably is some truth in black people not being into a lot of the more high maitenance activities found in white and interracial porn. Even so, you'd think there'd be a potential for some more variety. Edited by - Christopher256 on 8/25/2009 4:16:45 PM
Directors and producers decide what gets made. It's not about the performers. Sure some of them might be squeamish about doing kinky/extreme, but there are girls and dudes out there willing to do whatever for the cash and who are kinky by nature. It's a well-known issue regarding the "no homo" mentality, which automatically rules out a big chunk of the circus-act stuff on the grounds that it's gonna put off that "no homo" viewer who can find gay undertones in anything that isn't vanilla. So directors play it safe by nonstop big booty camera angles and vanilla sex. It's gonna take some type of revolutionary breakthrough for anything different to happen. For exampe Christophe Clark or David Perry or other european director starting up a series of kinky all-black porn and mixing in some imported black/brown/ethnic performers to help show the Americans how it's done. And adding in some fresh homegrown freaky performers who don't have to worry about "managing" their career (none of that delaying for x years before doing first onscreen anal, for example). The current crop of black porn directors are too deeply rooted in US porn; they are a lost cause. It's not their fault, they are simply a product of their environment and experience and OTJ training. It's gonna take a outsider or a fresh untainted youngblood to do anything dramatically different from the same same. That's what I say.
I think that is generalization based on some of the things maybe a Marie Luv or a Havana Ginger may have said. When seeing certain black woman such as Roxy Reynolds, Pinky, Cherokee and Jazmine Cashmere, I don't get the perception that they prefer white men. Those woman are more associated with the hip hop industry and typically make money from hosting parties and headlining in black strip clubs. Marie Luv and Jada Fire on the other had are featured more predominately in IR scenes. That is there niche. Like many have said here, black porn is typically marketed differently and especially as of late, tended to focus primarily on the size of a woman's ass and how well she rides. I don't know too many black men that want to see double vaginal, double anal, gaping and scenes featuring multiple facials. I personally don't want to see every star double penetrated. There is room for every niche of porn. I don't feel black porn has to follow what mainstream porn does in order to be accepted.
Amen planetj! Espeacially the last section of your statement!
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 2:31PM
Hell yeah! I remember that scene. It was from "Inner City Black Cheerleader Search #2". Not only was there rimming, but a killer anal too with a nice cumshot over her gaping asshole to end it!
Well I'd also agree that black porn doesn't need to be like other genres. I do think it generally needs to step-its-game-up though. Utlimately, porn is about fantasy, and few fantasize about a woman acting like a dead fish, diva, or mannequin in bed. I might take some heat for saying that, but in the end, I wanna see people enjoying themselves, or at least acting like they are. Can't say I see it enough in a lot of the black porn I see. Basically if it isn't produced by Lex, Slayer, or LT, I'm probably gonna avoid it.... well unless it has a hot chick like Pinky that I just gotta see.
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Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 2:12AM
I never said it has to follow white porn and other genres, Im saying point blank... Fans of black porn all dont want the same type over and over, that is once again categorizing black folks as unimagintive and bland sexually, Black fans obviously are fans of the freaky black porn, Im not going to go through my points again just go back and read my points made as to why seeing black porn get freakiER is not no big deal, bad idea, too much, following white porn, ect., ect. Fat porn aint going to outsell porn with skinny and curvey women but they still make it for that audience. Funny how my points by nay sayers in and out of the business was avoided. Again, can't determine anything without proof.
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Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 5:35PM
I can tell you right of the bat that I always check the back of the DVD case to see if a Black Porn has DP scenes, if it does I won't buy it. May be that's just me being close minded but I don't care for it. Nor do I want to see some dude getting his ass licked. I'm one of those brothas who's not feeling that, but I don't think that it means that the the Black Porn is Done. I still buy it, shit I just copped Prince's Blackout and Booty Talk 87. (PS ARYANA STARR IS SO DAMN FINE IN THAT MOVIE SHE IS HARLEMS FINEST)
supa_dupa09, You can't influence the mainstream pornmakers into doing things differently. You don't matter to them; they consider folks like jni1973 as their target customer, who will be alienated by anything too unusual. Have you checked out Afrofreaks.com? Some of the girls are kinda "hard" looking, but there's plenty of kinky/freaky content on the site, and that's what the focus is. There's probably some good stuff on clips4sale.com too but I just haven't found it yet (site difficult to navigate). Amateurs and small studios is where my porn spending goes nowadays.
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Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 4:49AM
See this is where it isnt making any sense homey, everybody keep sayin target audience being offended, not like it, alienated and so on, If they are that upset over freaknasty porn then TRUST ME there would of been a BIG problem within that black audience with these mainstream black females who have done it with white guys. Like I said If anybody believe that black porn fans does not know that alot of black females and black males in the business get down like that Interracially you are kidding yourself. If they really worried about alienating people(first of all how in the hell can you alienate people who watch porn.) Then they wouldnt do it PERIOD!!! So that just chalks up as another excuse. And nah homey Im not trying to influence, Im just saying why dont we see it, and the reasons Im getting arent adding up and making any sense, AGAIN!! Im not going to go through them go back and read my post and find reasonable answers and reason to my logic and questions. Give me a real reason why it CANT be done anyone. And with that offending crap, alienating crap then why in the hell do so many black females do KKK style porn on www.cumbang.com Where the fantasy is black girls get blow banged by redneck racist. And EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT CHEROKEE D'ASS IN GHETTOGAGGERS, WAS SOME TURNED OFF BY THAT? YES, DID SOME STILL WATCH AND BUY HER MOVIES? YES. DID IT HURT HER CAREER? NO! Now I dare anymore nay sayers to dispute that. And you know what Im starting to see now black porn companies dont like to cater to all of its audience, like Interracial does, there is damn near everything in IR porn, which is why as far as professional porn goes Im starting to make that switch... And probably like I said watch the pirated BIG BUTT back porn on the net. With my money going to IR and amatuer black porn. Good look on the website I will check it out. Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 8/28/2009 4:55:03 AM
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Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 12:11PM
I think you all are forgetting something. Porn needs to be vicarious. That's why most people watch it. IR will inherently have more appeal because, well, whites are about 70% of the population and black 13-14%, simple as that. There are plenty of white women who fantasize about sex with a black man, and more and more, white men are turning on to black women (I'm in my 40s, and growing up, we just didn't have women like Halle, Beyonce or Rihanna who were sex symbols known to the general population, not just to the black community). So black on black porn will only really sell to the black population, and that's a smaller number. At that point it simply becomes an economics game. Never attribute to black and white what can rightfully be attributed to green.
By "alienated" I mean they will not buy/rent that particular DVD. I'm not saying they will totally boycott a performer or studio or director or anything major like that. Just because (theoretically) I'm pissed that Cherokee did GhettoGaggers doesn't mean I won't watch her big ol' booty in a different flick. There's an audience for freaknasty porn, and there is an audience for vanilla porn. And the freaknasty audience will "crossover" to buy vanilla, but the vanilla audience won't buy freaknasty. So, the question is who has enough money and motivation to take a chance on producing products that have a smaller group of potential buyers? Black porn is conservative; they don't take chances and they stick very close to the cookbook recipe. That recipe: Follow the booty, follow the dick, the closer the better. That's it. That's why I've never seen Cherokee, Pinky, Luscious Louis, Kiwi, Crystal Clear, Bootylicious, Mz Booty, (you get the idea) shot properly. So sad. The closest to being "good" was that stage show video where the camera dude must have been out the audience somewhere, so he was unable to ruin it with the closeups. Big Ass Show or something like that was the title. But it was too short and the girls didn't get enough time.
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Posted - Aug 31 2009 : 3:21PM
I THINK IT WAS CALLED BIG ASS PARADE IS WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT? Yeah you right but like it is well known they make all types of porn and bottom line is black porn doesnt want to expand, to not even try to see how big its black audience can get. They can say whatever they want but it all comes down to proof, and Im not trying to push for them to go there like someone said I was doing, Im saying proof goes further than words, All I heard was reasons that has no proof or weight to it for it to count as a reason. Its starting to look more like the whiteguys in porn runs the black folks as well, because so far we already had L.T. and arayana starr come on here and point the finger at each other, then the finger was pointed at the audience, you hear black men in porn arent passionate as whiteguys, but you look at how these brothas pop off with white females and kind of get the sense thats a lie, you see the oppurtunities missed like in sean michaels ass lickers, crunk juice, throat injections, black cock addiction(and that was with a white director.) Point blank it looks like more so the problem is within the business than without or they would have not even tried in the first place, if black audiences dont want to see that freaknasty shit, you dont make that kind of porn but yet you were trying to do it with movies like crunk juice, throat injections, black girls get nasty too, black and nasty, dynamic booty and others that have tried to use concepts that you see in gangbang my face, sperm receptacles, fuckdolls, ect
Hey if you like to see some dude get he's butt licked them more power to you but it's just not for everyone. Oh yeah could some please tell these sistas to stop SELLING OUT TO THAT RACIST ASS GHETTO GAGGERS!!!!!!!
I'm not sure that's ever Not been basically true. If we're talking 100% ownership, then I think few truly have that. I think Sean's company folded or was sold years ago. Well to be honest, I'm not sure where he stands from an ownership standpoint these days. I just know I have a damn tough time finding films he directed. Other than Lex, Justin Slayer, and maybe Brian Pumper, I'm guessing few have it even now. Directors, direct though....this much I'm sure of. I do know there are more black directors than ever these days, and even more trying to get in. So if it's not happening the way you like, I'm not totally convinced it's because it can't ever be.
^Yeah, afrofreaks is genius, nothing like it, no competition, and only $20/month. Bad comparison with DirtyDirector. The POV format makes it all about Zack instead of being about the girls; that's what ruins DirtyDirector for me. It's impossible to fuck and shoot video at the same time, and do a decent job at both.
I'm Black and I'm starving like a Ethiopian for more freaky Black on Black porn. I know a lot of it has to do with Black culture, I mean most Black guys are mad homophobic. But I feel if a company could do it right and have good quality they could make a killing. The only people doing good quality Black on Black porn are Alexander Devoe, Brian Pumper and Justin Slayer, when they actually shoot Black girls. I'd like to see Black porn get Rocco, Joey Silvera Freaky. I'd like to see an all Black on Black femdom series like a Black Strap Attack, Black foot fetish movies, A Black Clothed female NAked Male movies. I feel porn in genral has a lot of opportunites to expand their market, but they play it too safe. We need more people like BElladonna especially on the black side of things.
Black porn is far from being "done" - if anything it's just getting started. I think many blacks in porn who try to fund their own projects, open their own studios, direct, etc become discouraged due to the consistent "no blacks allowed" attitude of many of the "mainstream" porn awards outlets and events. Think I'm full of it? Well I'm not - unless I'm mistaken not ONE black FEMALE won an AVN this year. I truly felt Misty Stone should have won at least ONE of the categories she was nominated for. Check out my sites: www.MonicaF.com & www.GettingIntoPorn.com - thanks for watching me :)
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Posted - Feb 2 2010 : 8:45AM
Black porn is not done. It rises and falls. It will rise again and adjust to current tastes. I defintely agree with the criticism of black porn on this thread, but the problem is more of a lack of variety and more black directors. More important is presence of black women in porn, the so-called big booty babes take away oppurtunities from the major black pornstars who need to fill in the gaps between mainstream, better paying work. The big-booty babes are not eligible for mainstream work. Only some black porn fans like the overwieght pornstars, for example, the original Pinky versus the supersize Pinky. Also, no matter how many so-called big-booty fans there are, how many of them actually pay money for porn. Lastly, when the black pornstars are fit, tight, super-fine, and great performers, white guys spend some money on black porn. Keep in mind, according to Russell Simmons and others, 80% of the money spent on hip-hop, is spent by white people.
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Posted - Feb 2 2010 : 4:50PM
I didn't want to post this but I am not into supersize woman in porn. They belong on the Biggest Loser not in porn because they may crush him. Hey I did read about the Russell Simmons that white buy hip hop, my best friend that I went to hig school went who is white listen to rap more then rock. BTW supa-dupa09 I agree with you. IR porn for the last couple of year is getting bigger then black porn because I see the different. Pluse it the sterotype in black porn that is hurting.
Guys like the big-booty girls in porn because guys like big-booty girls in real life. You're right, it's gonna take a new group of directors and producers to focus on the thinner black girls. It's gonna be hard to do IMO, because the "big ol booty" sells itself. Without the booty, the porn will have to succeed on the skills/merits/personality of the performers and the presentation and the production and all that stuff. That's a tall order.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Feb 2 2010 : 8:38PM
Some guys like the big-booty girls, obviously not enough to supoort black porn which is why we are all talking about the death of black porn during the era of the big-booty girls. Big booty sells if the girl is fit and has other assets and an ability to perform. Fat chicks do not sell in large numbers. Black porn has succeeded with "skills/merits/personality of the performers and the presentation and the production and all that stuff" for over 20 years, with its ups and downs, with a variety of different types of tight bodied women. However, it did not include the heavywieghts. Moving forward, the heavywieghts must be included without dominating. Black America is diverse.
I feel the main reason why Black porn is not selling as well as other genres is that Black male sexuality is different than White Male sexuality. Me being a Black man I like big booty girls, and I like some girls who may be considered BBW's, and I feel many Black men are like me, but I feel many White men don't find bigger women that attratcive so they pass on buying most Black on Black porn. The same way I pass on many White directors who shoot those skinny petite White chicks. In order for mass appeal, Black porn must get more sexually adventurous, lessen the ghetto themes to a degree, and start featuring more skinny petite Black chicks. But Black porn will never enjoy the popularity That White porn does at least not in our lifetimes.
At the end of the day, it is what it is. 629 Posts 12/09
Posted - Feb 6 2010 : 8:43AM
Wow, I'm definitely not into rimming unless it's G/G or if the dude is doing the rimming in B/G. That't because it's too hard to imagine being the lickee as the licking is going on. Actually, there are some nasty girls that I've never seen rim a dude. In fact, I once saw Leah Luv on a DVD say "I don't lick guys asses. I'll do anything else."
Black women do seem to get nasty for white guys. Look at this video: [mod edit: link removed. no tube sites.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 10/5/2010 5:37:03 PM
to answer the question no, black porn will always be around. however i do agree that black porn needs a transfusion of ideas. right now el tea, alexander devoe, brian pumper, and bishop are the only black directors who put any imagination and creativity into the flicks they shoot. take my hand and swear eternal loyalty---to zod!
At the end of the day, it is what it is. 629 Posts 12/09
Posted - Oct 5 2010 : 5:23PM
For years the consumer stats for Black Americans have been highly publicized. The going estimate is something like 300 billion a year in consumption. It seems that the porn industry should make every effort to cater to black consumers. That means everything that black comsumers want should be available in abundance. An interesting note is that Feature dancers at strip clubs have been known to advertise on urban radio stations because of the rep that young black males have for going to strip clubs. In fact strip clubs are a part of hip hop trendiness right now. A lot of 'strip club music' is being made and played on urban radio stations. The agents of smart feature dancers have siezed on this. So even if overall black consumers like IR better than black-on-black right now, it still seems that black-on-black should be abundent.
That's interesting what you said,then whites complain when Blacks set up their own awards show to honnor their own and othr minorites who's left out of mainstream porn.
Black porn isn't done and never will be. I think the major players/studio/directors put out some great black porn with hot black women that people like seeing. I don't know if that's the case for some of the smaller companies that has the one goodlooking covergirl in the movie and the rest of the girls are...not so hot looking. I know some people are hung up on how black performers act or what they say in black porn but all of that doesn't matter to most people because they realize they're performers playing a role. But if the female cast isn't goodlooking guys are going to pass on those movies. In so many of the lower tier black movies the make-up isn't good, the girls have bad bodies, bad hair/cheap wigs, bad teeth and ridiculous names. I've seen many black porn movies that I've wondered why anyone would even consider watching them. I see many many black women who could do so much better if they invested the effort into looking better. It's pretty obvious the how can pull themselves together get better gigs and presumably better pay and more work. Now this isn't to say that there aren't any bad looking white women because there are actually more of them than there are bad looking black women and they have the same affect on the stuff they appear in. But because of the number of white women in the biz the ugly ones don't have the same sort of affect. Also, the directors of these movies deserve some blame for not trying to or being able to make better movies. Again, I'm talking about the lower end girls and product out there. I don't think the higher end movies and performers have a problem attracting an audience.
She wasn't in porn long