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tapaddict
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Posted - Apr 7 2013 : 9:34PM
I think so as Rocco spends half his time in LA, and Raul Cristian has relocated permanently. The problem is that I only find European actresses physically attractive, not to mention their scenes are much rougher. So do you think there's no chance Raul will ever go back to Budapest?
Here's a sample of his old work:
http://www.indexxxed.com/149166/movies.php?id=1402&k=1
http://www.indexxxed.com/149166/movies.php?id=676
http://www.indexxxed.com/149166/movies.php?id=561&k=3
tacticalpiss
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Posted - Jul 2 2013 : 5:02PM
i am right with you here. Raul christian needs to get back to budapest. Also i am disappointed at the lack of scenes featuring czech/slovakian pornstars. There are some hot new talent there such as Mea Malone, Iwia, and Christine chrysallis but there aren't too many scenes featuring these hotties. I guess because the focus is now on filming budapest rather than prague but come on directors book up. Check out pov central if you want to see the latest talent from prague.
PG
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Posted - Sep 2 2013 : 10:27PM
You can find Raul's work at LiveGonzo.com
The sites which Indexxxed was 'indexing' are now updated again with new content under the PerfectGonzo.com brand & umbrella websites.
mharris127
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Posted - Sep 2 2013 : 11:55PM
I know that Maitresse Madeline is currently filming in Eastern Europe so porn isn't completely dead there. Princess Donna was in Europe earlier this year filming scenes. I think Steve Holmes also still performs in Europe. With this information I would have to say porn isn't completely dead there but the rate of production may have slowed some.
WideAngle
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GAMBO192
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Posted - Sep 3 2013 : 8:41AM
Italian porn is dead for sure many years ago.
Russian porn is dying since shooting it became illegal
~ Juelz shouts out to Gambo ~
 
utopiaa
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Posted - Sep 3 2013 : 11:00AM
Yeah European porn is pretty dead, but recently few big players have come back like Sineplex and PerfectGonzo(Asstraffic, allinternal etc), so hopefully it will get better soon.
JC_Denton
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Posted - Sep 3 2013 : 7:14PM
Isn't 21stSextury european? They're doing rather well. Then there's Killergram..
Anyway, I guess the global financial crisis must've affected the euro porn scene to some extent. I'm just not sure how much. Perhaps someone with more insight into the matter can provide some useful info.
Btw, I wasn't aware that Raul Christian is still active. That guy have a keen eye for chicks who're, ahem, well-endowed in the backside department.
Edited by - JC_Denton on 9/3/2013 7:14:54 PM
pat362
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Posted - Sep 3 2013 : 8:50PM
Are you sure about the Sineplex because they have not been a reliable studio in many years.
Perfect Gonzo is not really a comeback because they haven't released all that many new scenes. They are for the most part still living off content that is 3 and more years old. Don't believe the dates on their content because it's only accurate for the 24 most recent scenes. Everything else is BS. Now hat doesn't mean that they won't actually start to be worth joining but that won't be until they have been updating with new content in a few months from now.
pat362
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Posted - Sep 3 2013 : 8:57PM
You and I must define very well differently because 21sextury started to have problems about 2-3 years ago and they are still having them today. I know because I was a long time member when it happened. I started to notice that most of their flagship sites were no longer updating and then they decided to split their network into two separate networks in the hope that people would buy both to get full access. Then in the last year or two I noticed that they were using new source for their porn and you would often get almost identical scenes released on different sites
I can't speak for Killergram because I have never tried them. Their choice of models doesn't appeal to me.
utopiaa
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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 10:54AM
Sineplex releases a new scene almost every day on their website legalporno.com, the site itself is pretty crap tought, but content is good.
PerfectGonzo seems to be back, they havent relaunced officially, but released 10+ new scenes now. And as Pat said 21s is far away from its glory years.
Woodmancastingx seems to be going strong still.
PG
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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 12:36PM
correct pat, the 24 most recent scenes are brand new and shot this year. Updates from July -> mid Aug were shot by Raul and the rest going forward are shot by us. We are planning on 2 updates a week.
JC_Denton
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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 1:41PM
I've noticed that certain sites in 21stSextury's lineup don't update as they used to do, but I wasn't aware that the situation was this bad. My main gripe with their material these days is that they do not appear to favour chicks with a little meat on their bones as much as they once did.
Jacco All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 1:46PM
I don't know about websites, but on the DVD front there are still plenty of European studios active.
To name a few:
21Sextury
Abby Winters
Channel Seventeen
Cherry Vision
Daring
Domina Files
Eromaxx
GGG
Harmony
Joybear
Killergram
Magma
Marc Dorcel
PornXn
Pumpkin
Simply Films
Viv Thomas
Your Choice
Doesn't look dead from where I am standing.
Jacco
utopiaa
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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 4:06PM
Well those DVD scenes are just web scenes released on DVD in most cases. and they have a lot of back catalogue and many scenes are 5+ years old already just getting released on dvd or recyled.
Edited by - utopiaa on 9/4/2013 4:07:30 PM
StevenWelch
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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 4:37PM
What about Christoph Clark - thought he was still going in Budapest?
 
StevenWelch
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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 4:39PM
What about Christoph Clark - thought he was still going in Budapest?
Jacco All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 6:13PM
At least for half of the studios I mentioned that is simply not true.
Jacco
utopiaa
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Posted - Sep 5 2013 : 3:38PM
Like what? Basically all the studios you listed release the scenes first in internet and later or same time on dvd, 21s seventeen cherry vision etc all release scenes that been on web for ages.
Jacco All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 5 2013 : 8:09PM
Do you work for any of those studios? I do and I sure know when we release scenes on a DVD and when online. And I deal with the others profesionally too.
Jacco
StarGrek
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Posted - Sep 6 2013 : 6:21AM
In big terms European porn in my opinion is defined by beautiful story line movies with nice dressing and sensualism in which there is a lot of hard sex of all kinds. It is a little bit harder than Vivid and a lot more elaborated than gonzo films. Of course there is a more gonzo side of it like Raul Christian movies and Sineplex.
There have been some losses unfortunately, (mostly from the Italian Production Line), companies stop function, others become more soft and others dump the elaborated big budget productions to more gonzo style movies, internet oriented, which are much more cheaper for them but there are new entries from Spain (cumlouder ...) and France (Anissa Kate films)
Thankfully, there are major European companies still very active in adult industry today like Marc Dorcel, Private, Harmony, Magma, Killergram and BlueBird. Now I dont know what happened to Russian productions but I am sure they will find a way to get through the legal obstacles...
Personally I adore that elaborated hard sex film making..
PS Question: what happened to ATV and Pinko are they still on game?
pat362
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Posted - Sep 6 2013 : 8:25PM
^That is a good description but it stopped being accurate about 3-4 years ago. Today most European studios release mostly gonzo porn with a mixture of feature films from a very limited amount of studios. No one has the budget to shoot those great feature films that so many of the Europeans studios used to be known for.
WideAngle
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GAMBO192
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9/11
Posted - Sep 7 2013 : 7:10AM
ATV and pinkO?! They barely release a movie a year.... situation in Italy is embarassing. Nobody cares about porn, girls get 10 hex more money doing BJs to TV producers than shooting a porn movie.
And my opinion about Private, Killergram, Dorcel, etc is: weak performers, sophisticated sets
pat362
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Posted - Sep 7 2013 : 2:25PM
^Killergram was never known for shooting elaborate porn and Private has been a dead studio for quite long time now. That only leaves Dorcel and they still do the odd feature film but no like they used to.
MorganKane
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Posted - Sep 7 2013 : 4:55PM
^I wouldn't say that Private is dead. They still seem to put out 3-4 new flicks every month.
pat362
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Posted - Sep 7 2013 : 8:44PM
^How many of these are actually brand spanking new movies and not the comp stuff they have been releasing for the last 4 plus years? They aren't even a shadow of what they once were. We are talking about what was probably the top porn studio in the world once upon a time but they started to go down before the recession started.
 
shalalin
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Posted - Sep 8 2013 : 11:59AM
Doesn't sound as though you have actually looked at Private's release schedule at any point during the last two years or so. Private has been very active again since this happened.
Edited by - shalalin on 9/8/2013 12:03:48 PM
pat362
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Posted - Sep 8 2013 : 1:54PM
^Then please educate me and tell me where I can see those amazing new movies Private has been releasing in the last 2 years because I don't know where they are and I was a huge fan of their's in the past.
shalalin
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Posted - Sep 8 2013 : 6:23PM
^ I didn't say they're "amazing new movies", they're actually pretty cookie-cutter. And do you really require assistance in finding DVD release info, here on AdultDVDTalk of all places? Wow. But fine, then: https://www.adultdvdtalk.com/porn/private - everything in there except the minority of "Best by Private" releases is first-run content, and as far as I've seen from a quick check every title has vendors listed.
Edit: And if you're so inclined, you can also subscribe to private.com where most (all?) scenes seem to be released several weeks ahead of the DVD schedule these days.
Edited by - shalalin on 9/8/2013 6:28:11 PM
pat362
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Posted - Sep 8 2013 : 8:30PM
^Thanks I'll take a look at these.
utopiaa
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Posted - Sep 10 2013 : 5:21PM
Best place to get new private movies is prob their website private.com
arnoldsty
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Posted - Aug 30 2014 : 11:31AM
Euro porn is not dead! There are plenty of producers and plenty of girls who want to do porn. We didn't have to try hard to get some Czech babes for our production. The Czech porn industry is still strong.
[mod edit: image removed. see the image policy. No sex acts.]

Edited by - killbillvol69 on 8/30/2014 12:01:48 PM

pat362
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Posted - Aug 30 2014 : 11:35AM
^I agree that it's not dead but it's not doing much better than the US industry and in some cases it's doing a lot worse. Mind you why should the European porn industry be immune to Tube and Torrent sites.
StarGrek
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Posted - Aug 31 2014 : 11:11AM
pat you are so right... Yes, I admit I have used tubes myself and I have a very good reason to. However, the truth is either we like it or not that tubes, torrents and free downloads have done a big damage to porn. Porn is not like mainstream movie industry where you can watch it in a cinema theater near your house (Ok we are not talking about 80s all right). You need the privacy of your personal TV or computer screen. The adult companies do not have a wide margin of income and most of them for many years, they used to depend on DVD - BluRay sells. The ones that have turned into Internet they manage to broaden their market and still hold on. The others unfortunately have perished. European film industry suffered the biggest hit from porn piracy and companies that used to pay a lot for elaborated sets and fancy clothes had eventually closed. The big irony is that now that tubes become popular many of these companies adult content got known to the wide public who wasn't aware before. In fact, a lot of them were happily embraced by the adult audience who are still watching them. So in a way, those movies were advertised and distributed a lot more after the "death" of their creators. These are the effects of the internet.
Internet have changed the orientation of many adult industries especially European. Many companies have closed but others were created. Private is not the mighty company we used to know back in 90s. MagikSex joint didn't offered the boost they were expecting, but they are still fighting now with new Russian "oil". VMDorcel still holds on. Harmony is weaker. Magma is trying to find new markets. Killergram and BlueBird insisting on local support. Italian porn school is dead. 21st century is spitting blood but struggles. Now, from the ashes of European porn new companies emerged with completely different approach. Legalporno, the decedents of Sineplex is the heavy artillery (due to the extreme hardcore nature of their content). DDF is going well. CumLouder still producing. WTF too. On the other side there are several little companies, not very widely known that produce porn with admirable quality, like X-Art, Euro Erotica, WOW porn, Joymii, 18 only etc.. The content is not that extreme but the eroticism, the photography and the sexual appeal hits RED.
Personally, I was and I still am a big fan of the old European adult film making industry. I tried to give a general description before but the truth is that each country, each company and even each director in turn has its own unique pornographic signature which is quite distinctive. For example the British Porn is very different from French, Italian, German or Russian for example. Harmony is different from BlueBird or Killergram. Marc Dorcel is different than JTC. Kenzo look is different than Gazzman and so on.

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pat362
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Posted - Sep 1 2014 : 9:56AM
^I really miss those old time European movies. The stuff made in the 80's until early 2000. There are some truly epic movies that are now lost tom time. It's too bad that there isn't a site that offers the bulk of those movies. I know one that does a decent job of mixing European and American movies but the quality is on the poor side. not their fault as they are using content that is very old and was never remastered.
arnoldsty
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Posted - Sep 1 2014 : 1:47PM
At KOZODIRKY.CZ, we are trying to recreate the German/French sex comedies of the 70s-80s. We know we face an uphill battle because of all the factors mentioned above but we think there is a niche for this kind of porn.
Only time will tell if we are right or just naive :-)
 
StarGrek
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Posted - Sep 2 2014 : 12:02PM
Dear Arnold..
First of all,
I checked your site today KOZODIRKY.CZ and I attempted to form an opinion based on the trailer and the photos. I have to point out that I haven't seen any of your material yet.
I have to admit I was impressed by the picture quality and the DP (Not that DP, I mean the Direction of Photography. About the other DP i haven't seen any scene yet so i don't have an opinion... ). I also like that some of the shooting was made outdoors, in the green fertile environment of Moravia (if I understand correctly) and generally in many different locations which comes in contrast with the sometimes monotonous white background studio scenery that many other companies apply all the time. Now about the comedy nature... I personally find any kind of script positive in a porn movie. It is food for fantasies and it makes every scene a little bit more spicy and interesting. Brazzers and other major companies did very well to invest on those little sex stories which many times have comical tone. Another thing that can be turn out positive is the fact that all participants are from the same country, that means they don't have any problem to verbally interact between each other during sex. This is an element that assist the chemistry and many times boost the eroticism.
I am sure you are a company of clever and active people and most of all you are all proud Czechs. I realize that you want to expose Czech sexuality through your site, as well as the Czech way of life. Now honestly, if you want my opinion about Czech Beauty and sexuality?
I don't think it is easy to find someone who hasn't seen at least one of Silvia Saint, Sharka Blue, Laura Angel, Jane Darling, Kathy Anderson, Christina Jolie, Cindy Dollar, Ellen Saint, Lea de Mae, Liliane Tiger, Lucie Theodorova, Lucy Lee, Marketa Brymova, Nikita Denise ... and many many many other astonishing Czech starlets in action? So any further comment is poor.
Now because everything in life has two sides I have to make a few more notations...
A new porn site is like a new restaurant that opens in town. Many people from the town might rush to visit it to taste the dishes and check about the atmosphere. It depends of your cuisine how many people you will draw initially and of your quality of food and service how many of them you will manage to keep. Keep in mind the more flavors you have the more people you will initially attract. So in my opinion you do well that you offer a variety of sexual activities from lesbian to DP.
And of course in order to attract customers you need to advertise what you sell. Do you know these little stands food companies create in the super markets? Where you try for free a few samples of their products? I think you have to do the same. You have to promote your work by offering free samples of your work. So put trailers in your site, not only pics. If I was you I would even offer a whole scene for beginning. Then go ahead and advertise your material wherever you can. I believe it was a very smart move to sign in to ADT and do what you do now. But put links with scene trailers man... to support your words. I think you know very well that photography and videography are very different. On the other hand I would advice you to be a little more open minded. Yes the Czech cuisine looks tasty and in the beginning you might have to stick to it, however keep in the back of your mind that maybe a few additions later from other countries could create new dishes that would eventually satisfy more .. selective palates. (maybe a dose of Mediterranean oil, perhaps a black pepper seasoning or even some soup recipes from nearby regions if you know what I mean). This is porn. This is internet. The more the dishes you can make the more customers you will eventually attract. Only be careful what you do has to be at least very good because there are also other restaurants in town.
PS1. What the hell do you feed your girls in Czech and become so pretty and sexy? :P
PS2. Btw.. I have a friend who married a Czech girl... one day we went to the beach all together. Oh my Gooood... I had to put a towel on my swim shorts in order to hide my... I barely saved myself from a nasty quarrel with my gf.
PS3. Blanca seems a pornstar material! Bohunka is more reserved but she has a wonderful busty attire. The scene with Sandy and her boyfriend looks very promising. Sandy reminds me a bit of Charlotte of Sex and the City or better that bad woman from Revenge in younger age.. of course!
PS3. I have other suggestions I cant say in public...if you want msg or mail me.

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arnoldsty
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Posted - Sep 2 2014 : 3:56PM
Hi StarGrek,
Thanks for the kind comments. We are based in Ostrava and most of our girls are Moravian (eastern Czech Republic). Yes, we know the Czech, especially the Moravian countryside is really beautiful and we plan on exploiting the natural beauty ( green and girls :-) )
And our budget is just a fraction of what the big name sites are spending, so there is hope for us :-)
Eventually, we will include Mittleeuropa beauties. But for now the Czech national resource is enough for us.
StarGrek
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Posted - Sep 2 2014 : 5:21PM
^
Arnold, many of the ADT members here can confirm you that is not the big budget that produce porn. Everyone can make porn even with his own cheep amateur videocamera.
Video quality technically distinguishes the amateur from professional porn. Don't forget that many Gonzo directors use their houses for studios. So when you move all the equipment along with the actors to different locations you spend a lot more than them. Plus from what I saw the video quality of your site is excellent. So what it remains? The sex appeal of the actors, the sex they do and how the director sets up and captures the whole action. And believe me, after watching porn for nearly 20 years, I can honestly testify to you that even the directors of the high budget companies make a lot of "mistakes" in their scenes.
PS. Arnold forget about the additional flavors I mentioned above for now... besides i meant a lot more ... just put more trailers. Trailers. TRAILERS! And make them look good!
Thats all...
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Not Boz (Fake Account)
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Posted - Sep 8 2014 : 10:03PM
I think the golden age of european porn was around 10 years ago. Best scenes and girls I ever done back then...good old times!
StarGrek
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Posted - Sep 9 2014 : 4:31AM
I personally agree very much.
By the way. I don't know how you are doing ... but I think it would be a good idea to gather up with your old pals, Justin Slayer and Nat Turnher and shoot a new version of Black Pipe Layers. Some of the scenes in the series were masterpieces in interracial pornography (an elegant mixture of beauty, eroticism and extreme hardcore). I can honestly state to you that there are DPs from that series which even until now, 10 years after, have NOT been replicated again successfully. My opinion is that the RCDP versions of Janet Peron and Chiquita Lopez in terms of setup, intensity and capture were between the best that have ever been shot in the history of pornography. These two and many others scenes (Angel Dark. Lucy Lee, Natali Di Angelo, Jessica Darling, Laura Lion etc.. ) made me to claim that
modern audience don't have a clue what exciting, full body, balls deep, fast paced, sizzling erotic, flawlessly captured RC DP is all about...
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Not Boz (Fake Account)
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Posted - Sep 9 2014 : 8:52AM
You're right StarGrek, that'll be a good idea and I cannot agree more with you. I guess I'd even do it for free! Both those times are over and you have to face it. Since then everyone took his own ways, I don't work with Justin and Nat anymore and each is doing his own stuff, but as I said I miss the times of the Just Fuckin' and Black Pipe Layers series. And the girls, but most of them have left porn since them, don't know about their doings and lost contact with them...I only know that two of them, Angel Dark and Lucy Lee, keep doing erotic stuff but don't do hardcore porn anymore. Anyway, at least we were lucky to fuck'em when they were active, on and off screen. I think Justin, Nat and me really got along together and with the girls and maybe that's why the product was so good.
franco
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Posted - Mar 28 2015 : 1:28PM
boz maybe u can go to Europe with nat and film for kozodirky lol
NuTTy_BuDDy
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Posted - Mar 28 2015 : 3:49PM
Man do I miss the glory days
LPee23 All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 28 2015 : 10:07PM
I think you are exactly right. I would say the golden age of European porn online started in 2005 and ended in 2008. Waiting for another year like 2005 again!
wanka
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Posted - Mar 29 2015 : 2:30AM
Judging by LegalPorno i would say its alive and kicking!!!Massive fan of their brand of porn.
PIVlover
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Posted - Mar 30 2015 : 11:03AM
I love British porn. They aren't very good with lighting, which is frustrating. But they have the most beautiful men and women. Rocco Seffredi was once a favorite but then everything he did was anal and I don't care for anal. At least Euro porn is a little adventurous. And they appreciate the men in straight porn rather then trying to hide them all the time.
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