I have, at times, enjoyed porn with a story but usually, it simply annoys me and gets in the way of the main reason I'm watching in the first place. And let's face it, most porn talent aren't exactly the best actors in the world anyway. Some of them can't even convince you that they're enjoying themselves even if they actually are. I'd really hate to see most of these guys trying to be really serious in a convincing sort of way.

Having said all of that, I suppose there is a market for plot based porn but I'd really hate to see gonzo go away completely because 90% of the time, when I go to watch porn, gonzo is what I'm in the mood for. I want to see people fuck. That's what I paid for and is really all I'm interested in seeing. I don't care how they met, where they came from, how long they've known each other or anything else. Just put them together and let them get their freak on so I can get off.

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Otherwise, it's just "this chick is fucking these two guys and a guy is videotaping them"....yawn.

The set-up, the tease...it all adds to the payoff. I found this out actually when I used to subscribe to the satellite channel TEN (The Erotic Network). They were hardcore movies shown on it. When you watched a movie, you couldn't fast-forward it. You HAD to watch the whole movie. And the thing is, I found myself getting much more worked up. It was the tease...the foreplay almost.

I guess this is coming from someone that enjoys porn instead of so many guys that "use" porn. Hard to explain I suppose.

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Gonzo is cheaper. No time needed for shooting a scene for dialogue. No time for memorizing lines. Each location is utilized in a sex scene.

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I personally am not really into Barely Legal girls either, but I watch them because they're generally produced the way I prefer. Now, if only we could get some like this series yet featuring women that actually act their age (instead of a 30 year old pretending that's she a 18 year old fresh out of high-school).

Again, I don't watch porn just to get off. If that's all I wanted to do, then yeah, I suppose gonzo is the way to go because you just fast forward to the shot you want, and then jack off and go on with your day. This is when porn is just being "used" and you pretty much discard it like you would a paper towel. But I watch a porn movie like I would watch a regular movie. I don't fast forward on a regular movie to get to the cool parts on those either. I like everything to unfold in a real manner. I'd like to think the women in a scene are actually doing that scene and not just a girl that needs the cash and is fucking 3 guys while some yahoo videotapes it. I mean, I KNOW the girl is basically doing it for the money, but how about a little suspension of disbelief.

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But hey, good times right?

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It seems like gonzo has become a slave to its own principles. It started out displaying the personalities of performers and letting the 'anything can happen' possibility roam free.

Now you'll see a title like AssToMouth 6. Geez, I wonder what this title will contain. Possibly dicks coming out of asses and into the mouth's of either the one whom posesses the dirty ass or a more than willing co-star....aaaannnd star wipe.

But then again, thats what the customers are buying and that is what most of these producers are here for; making a buck.

So there is porn outthere for you, you just have to search out for it, possibly even producing it yourself.

I suggest

Shane's World Guide to Get more Pussy, Nerdz, Blazed and Confused(the last 2 are a bit goofy but they feature situational sex)
Service Animals(Anything Joey does is vignette style really, heavy in interracial and hardcore so Im not sure this is what you're looking for)

Directors:

Jules Jordan(very hardcore, and usually runs lengthy teases with girls being beautifully done up, Tunnel Vision or Flesh Hunter)
Justin Slayer(anything from him, really personable porn. show's convo's with the girls, really free sex. Not much boundaries here, Big Booty White Girls, Just Fuckin)

Others:

Anything from RobbyD: Jacks Teen America, Jacks Playground(I don't really like the way he shoots, something seems very phoney about his pornos but he has alot of stories and plot involved)
Mike John( don't really watch much of his movies but his later ones from RLD had some situations before the sex)

Like I said this porn is outthere all you gotta do is search it out

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I love a little set up to the scenes, not just "here I am, let's fuck!" A little story can add to porn, but I guess the majority of porn buyers don't want story, which is probably why so many gonzo titles are released and sitting in top sales spots.

I will agree on the issue of tattoos, unless the girl is a "suicide girl" no need to go and get inked all over. And the fake tits, surely some girls gotta like their bodies as is, but porn is about image, and I guess big fake tits enhance careers. Sad as it may be. More than a mouthfulls a waste anyways.

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For instance, and one sees this relatively little, an ideal scenario would be the boss doing his secretary or favorite office worker (bent over the desk w/ skirt pushed up, etc. etc. etc.)

Both Rob Black (in his early work) and Stagliano have used set up to great effect. I gather Fashionistas interweaves gonzo and plot with great success, given its acclaim (I've not seen it yet, having blanched at the $46 price tag.)

I prefer all-sex" to feature porn, even given the above. It goes without saying that the focus would still have to be on nasty (anal) sex, not self-conscious "style" in the manner of Michaels Ninn, Zen or Raven.

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Let me ask you because no one seems to be even addressing this. Have you ever seen a Barely Legal DVD? Notice that they're small little vignettes. The girls aren't worrying about the plot or portraying a character, but it IS set up to give the sex context. In gonzo there is no context other than this girl is getting paid to get fucked. And that's that. Yes, the girls in features and vignettes are getting paid to fuck too, but at least it has some pre-text as to why they are. You can have your suspension of disbelief.

But I guess it's just me. I like to be teased in the beginning and then have a nice big payoff. Guys that like gonzo it seems only like the pay-off. It's all pay-off. It's all desert and no meal, which leaves me feeling very unsatisfied.

But I guess I'm alone in this, so I should just resign myself to the fact that I'll never get what I want, or at best just catch glimpses of it here and there. Meh...I should be used to that by now. So even if I were to hit a financial wind-fall and produce my own porn movie in the way I want it with the ideas that I have, there will be zero market for it.

Edited by - NudistCpl on 4/13/2006 7:35:51 AM

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Those of us who went to an actual theater to watch an actual film...or even those who bought Betamax or VHS tapes during the Golden Age of Porn might be the ones who prefer a little more settup to the scene. (BTW, I think the Barely Legal series is/was also great.)

To me...and this is only my opinion (and it appears a minority one at that) Gonzo fails to deliver the very reasons most folks invite porn into their sex lives...and that is...fantasy and variety.

I think in large part the reason Gonzo has become what it has become today is that compared to earlier styles of porn, there's very little technical knowledge (and, dare I say it, talent)required to shoot Gonzo and thus the market place is flooded with it.

Economics are also at the root of it. Even if you're a knowledgable film maker...why spend all that money for sets, lighting, editing, etc....when you can just grab a vidcam, shoot, and get a return on your (much smaller) investment in a fraction of the time than if you were shooting something like the Barely Legal series.

And finally, as alluded to above, it may be what the current generation of customers may prefer, largely because this is the style of porn they grew up with (so to speak).

Now..having said all that...I still can't quite grasp why some folks would prefer it. Seeing the same stupid wide angle lens POV shot over and over and over again, hardly qualifies as variety...and most certainly not as fantasy. (Just what IS up with that wide-angle lens...is it THAT much more expensive to buy a second lens?)

But hey...like jug wine vs. a good year from a good vinyard, it sells in greater quantities and thus will be with us for the forseeable future.

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Not sure if that's DP executives telling you to do 'something like New Sensations movies, or Evil Angel' but I don't really know what a RobbyD movie is. You know?

Like with Joey Silvera you get this creepy feeling that you're instore for a collection of some perverted/twisted porn from his personal stash. Shane's World, now with the Penny Flame is all about that cute, campy type shit. Jules Jordan; you get to live out the fantasies of a regular joe(although he needs to pipe down!! in his scenes, god damn)

After watching Pirates BTS I know you're a cool broham and you make your performers feel at ease, Maybe pull a Hunter S. and make the porn as real as possible and just document the fine beautiful women in Porn Valley, rather than direct them..?

yeah, and stuff

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Teen America 10

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I'll be glad to write one solely for the director. But just know that you probably won't like everything I say and I can only promise to be completely honest. I think you may find it very helpful though.

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I'm talking about the &quotup". The set up totally revolves around the sex. Every porn movie ever made has a set up. Even gonzos. But in gonzos the set up is pretty much the same for every one. Girl in room is introduced, says what she's going to do or what she needs, then the sex begins. No tease really, or very little, and then action.

Barely Legal 2 has a scene in it. Cheerleaders Teri Starr and Kristi coming to Joel Lawrence’s house to try and sell him tickets to the big game. Joel answers the door in a towel since he just got out of the shower. After his towel falls off they get into a little “I’ve showed you mine, now you show me yours” and each play with themselves a bit. That's the set up. And actually it takes about as long to set it up as it does a typical gonzo scene. Nothing complicated, but it's a great tease and it sets up the sex very nicely.

Now do you get it? Or does everyone like the same set-up over and over and over and over? Yes, some gonzos have a different take on the stock set-up, but very little variations.

Edited by - NudistCpl on 4/17/2006 4:07:31 PM

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Jim Powers incorporates what you are talking about on some of his gonzo movies for Powersville. Try something like School Girls 3.

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I think Im starting to get Porno Scurvvy, lol

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If I want plot I'll watch a mainstream movie.

Now more hard core arse fucking, DP'ing, DAP'ing , skull fucking gonzo smut please

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Then I propose this. Stop making new porno movies. I mean, there's really no need and you producers can save a shit load of money. Just take all the footage you have now and take out all the set-up, and make hours and hours of just endless fucking. Don't even worry about keeping the footage of the same girl more than a few seconds before moving on to another girl and another fuck session. Bah, they don't want to see anything that's set-up. You could actually take 5 gonzo movies and edit them all together and mix them up, edit here and there, and the re-sell them and these morons wouldn't know the difference. They'll think they're actually buying a new flick. Just so long as it has only the fucking and sucking. That's all that matters. Also, take out all the beds and the sofas and the backgrounds because that's distracting too. Also, because the fans are afraid of seeing an actual penis, digitally remove all traces of the man doing the sex. All we want to see is the bimbo, am I right guys? Let's face it, if we see naked men, we might turn gay and we don't want that. If we wanted to see a naked guy we would have rented a gay porno.

That's right. Screw porno that tries something a little different. We don't want different, we want the same stuff over and over! Just give us catchy titles like "Scum swallowing ass-whores getting the shit beat out of them and dumped into an alley afterwards - And loving it!" and we'll be happy.

Edited by - NudistCpl on 4/18/2006 6:46:20 PM

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I watch porn for the sex. Thats it! Like Stefank60 said : if i want a story of any kind, i'll watch a hollywood production. (Im trying not to be offensive but the 'stories' in porn are rather laughable and unsexy. Even some cheesey intro like girls going to guys house to sell tickets sounds pretty lame. But this is just MY opinion.)

Everyones opinions differ and for this reason there are gonzo and feature porn productions. Enough said i think.

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I love gonzo but there is just too much of it in the market right now.

I started shooting what I shoot because it is story driven... and because I'm a perv. :)

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Just curious, because "Jenna Haze: Darkside" is exactly what I'm referring to when I say I'd like to see more set-up for a sex scene.

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Edited by - M.B. on 4/23/2006 9:40:18 AM

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I don't have some kind of irrational hatred for them either, since my fingers know how to work the remote control and make talking part go faster, and I do appreciate the wardrobe/locations in many of them. In fact, using Mr.Remote Control makes features into vignette titles.

However, if I want to watch comedy, I don't turn to porn. If I want to watch a historical epic, I don't turn to porn. If I want to watch fine acting and performance, or quality improvisation, I don't turn to porn. If I want to watch people dressed as Cleopatra or Pirates or Nurses or whatever fucking one another, sure, it's time for that particular porn film (usually a feature) and Mr.Remote works his magic.

I do have to question your statement that features have more of an intrinsic value than gonzos though. Maybe you didn't watch porn through the 1990's? I don't know. Choosing a porn film (NWH) that everyone has heard of if not seen hardly illustrates your point though. How about regaling us all with a great scene from one of the many, many 1-day wonder features that were shot in the last 15 years which we should all remember?

Oh, because features can be and is just as churned-out and forgettable as gonzo porn. Vivid still release stuff, after all. Wicked still release stuff. Is every feature released a 5-star classic? Why would you think that Erotic Expertise is better than Manhammer in any way simply because one is a feature and the other is all-sex?

All the covers look the same? Can't tell one company from the next? I agree with you to an extent, but check out, say, 100-randomly-chosed feature titles from the last 15 years and tell me if that's not also the case.

Watch 100 random scenes from those 100 random features and tell me if about 80% of them are interchangable.

The fact is, that 80% of porn, whether it's gonzo or features or anything else is throwaway porn. 20% of the gonzo out there is great stuff. 20% of the features are also great. But most porn is just rubbish. Which 20% appeals to you will change depending on any individuals' personal fetishes but I think 20%=great is a pretty fair guesstimation, and it's regardless of genre.

edit - bloody italics out of control again.

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