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cross
Senior Member


I Love Beef Curtains!
1072 Posts
6/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 2:53AM
I was wondering if any of the stars on the boards or the companies who visit would mind sheding a little light on this.
Do you guys think that the ease of downloading porn wheather it's pics, Vids or VOD is causing problems for DVD and Video sales?
Or is it making it more popular?
Do memberships to official sites keep it all on the level?
I was viewing porn before there was an internet, looking at mags and some of my dad's vids, which were pretty tame compared to today's standards.
But I think the Net has helped porn along and be more accepted.
I really hope the ol' corner Adult Store isn't going anywhere, when I've got spare cash I love forking out for a new DVD.
Opinions?
croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 4:17AM
You forget the internet affecting magazine sales.
Also, some sites have pirated scenes. DAC in particular has much to say.
one eyed jack
Member

65 Posts
3/04
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 5:12AM
I for one would like to hear what people think. Especially those in the industry producing dvds.

This question has been raised in the UK and used as an excuse for slow sales but then piracy is allegedly at an all time high so its not easy to lay the blame on the internet downloads. Not that I'm bothered too much as my sites are doing okay but I have now entered the arena of distribution here in the UK under the label: Wrist Action Entertainment www.stmdistribution.com

However my US and European distribution is being handled by www.blackwidowmedia.net

Now back to the case at hand. Yes, lets have some dialogue on this. What do you think?

Gunzo
Senior Member

1377 Posts
2/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 5:13AM
Internet retailers ship worldwide thanks to the internet, ordering from overseas hasn't always been this easy. Companies can promote themselves inexpensively and effectively.

For every 100 free loaders I think there are 1 or so who buy as much as those 100 would've bought together...

So, my guess is that it at least doesn't hurt the business, but it's great to blame piracy when your company is going down...

Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

3832 Posts
3/02
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 5:53AM
Whenever I would run across a P2P file sharing network of one of my movies on the internet, I would ask our webmaster to fire off a cease and desist. He would, of course, but you can never really stay ahead of this kind of stuff. It's out there and it's pervasive. That's why he advised me to try to consider it a kind of advertising. With so much product out there, the key is to get someone - anyone - to look at your movie. If someone likes what they see, it increases the chances of them buying your stuff down the road. It's the "half-full" mentality of being an optimistic pornographer: Put out the best product you can and hope it resonates with enough consumers so that you get your money back in order to make the next one.

On a side note, when I walked down the streets of Belgrade, Serbia, several months ago, street vendors had the latest bootlegged Red Light, Platinum X, Evil Angel, Zero Tolerance, etc. You name it, it was filed as if a librarian organized it.

 
otik
Member

Mushroom Kingdom
223 Posts
1/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 6:27AM
Hey brandon, what were you doing in Serbia. Do tell, please.
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 6:35AM
Visiting the erotic fair and checking out potential girls for baker's dozen 12?
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 6:50AM
answering the original question.

I'm a pretty old-fashioned guy.
I never did any legal or illegal filmdownload from the net.

I love getting infos from ADT or dvdadultempire, which increases my DVD purchases.

I never join any pay websites. If a girl wants to boost her popularity via the internet she should become an ADT regular or offer an interesting free website like Asia Carrera for example.

Captain Cock
Member

NL
172 Posts
2/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 6:57AM
I dont have figures to prove it (dont know the sales figures before the mayority of the people where connected to the net and after), but my guess would be the net is actually 1 big advertising window for porn.

To speak for my self and most of my friends, I would be way to shy to visit sexshops and look around for porn I like. The net gave me the ability to 'window-shop' without feeling embarassed. I would have felt rather uncomfortable renting or buying a title like 'Cumfart Cocktails' or 'Cumfilled Asshole Overload' from a real-life person, but from the relative ease and anonimity from the net, I did.

Also, the fact that porn is so much more easy accessible, will perhaps attract people to it that would otherwise wouldn't have gone further then buying Playboy magazine.

Robbie
Member

884 Posts
1/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 7:44AM
It worked with me. Got sick of seeing snippets of AGSOI, so I brought the DVDs.

I'm sure some of the large professional looking network sites have unlicensed content. It's very difficult to avoid unlicensed content on the net.

I don't know what you can do. You could stick a PXP authorised/licensed content logo on these sites, but eventually that would end up being ripped off too.

scipio
Senior Member

1901 Posts
2/00
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 8:23AM
I think Brandon (or Brandon's webmaster) is actually right. The people stealing shit off the p2p anf filesharing networks are essentially the same ones that download everything else and aren't likely to actually buy anything.

When I was a kid, me and my friends used to pirate Amiga Games. After a few years, I must have had 100 or more discs. Would I have bought 100 games? Not bloody likely at 14 or so years old.

Flash forward a few more years, I met a friend of a friend who was hugely into playstation (1) games. This guy was well off, owned his own house, etc. Yet he pirated every playstation game he could. Dis he actually play them? A few, at most. But really, he was more into the collecting for collecting's own sake.

P2P networks with regard to music? Well, Australian record sales are up by a large number (it was on the radio 2 days ago, but I forgot the exact number) since Napster was introduced..

Really, chances are that people who download any stuff, whether music, movies, porn, warez, probably weren't going to buy the original anyway. The ones who would have bought them are probably balanced out by the ones who use them as "try before buy".

I personally think actual pirated physical product, as Brandon saw in Serbia, and as I can see in just about any porn store here in Melbourne, are much more of an actual loss of income for the producer.

scipio

SaraJayFan
Member

Underneath Sara Jay
200 Posts
4/04
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 8:47AM
The jerks who are "selling" pirated scenes of current and recently released DVD's have no respect for the producers and actors in these films. Why should I spend $20 for a month's membership to a website that does not support the people who put the movies together they're making money off of? I'd rather spend that $20 for the original!

Cyberchicken
Member

900 Posts
4/02
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 11:15AM
They say porn is a multi billion dollar industry, but the money is spread out. I don't think many people are getting rich in porn. I think people like Brandon Iron have to work very hard to make a living, and I think piracy hurts the smaller outfits.

If everyone bootlegs their favorite porn, then their favorite porn stops getting made - period.

But the problem is actually more complicated than that.

Just one example is free samples.

Hell, there are so many legal free samples floating around, that if you're just looking for a decent rub out, then you'll never have to pay another dime.

Now companies such as EA provide free samples in the hopes that the previews will stimulate sales, but if you add up all the legal free samples being dumped on the web every single week, then you're talking about a shit load of porn.

Then there's the free amateur stuff. While many amateur sites are pay only, they too offer free previews, and those previews get added to all the others.

Then comes the free amateur porn, that finds it's way into every corner of the net, and when you add all this up you're talking about a shit load of porn.

Then comes another factor, which is porn has simply gotten so much better.

In the early 80s, I'd go through a lot of movies simply trying to find one good scene, then I rented Buttman Goes To Brazil, and my porn life changed forever.

Stagliano was putting more hot fucking in one of his movies, than you would see in half a dozen other movies combined.

But Stagliano was just the beginning. Other companies started following his lead, and soon everyone was releasing 2:20 movies.

All of a sudden, the old 5 scenes (one a lesbian) format was dead. The new standard was Gonzo, and Gonzo was wall to wall fucking, and all of a sudden I started watching fewer movies, because I was no longer having to sort through so much crap to get to the good stuff.

Then came the specialist, who represented the next wave after Stagliano.

Companies, like Anabolic, started offering titles that gave the viewer exactly what they wanted in large doses.

I had always looked for good cum swallowing scenes, but now Anabolic was delivering more swallowing in one movie, than I would normally see in ten titles.

For a few years, in the mid 90s, the only porn movies I watched were Anabolic titles.

Why waste my time with anything else.

Now look at Feeding Frenzy and A Good Source Of Iron.

Those two titles pretty much give me all the porn I need.

I buy other titles, but only casually. Am I the only one here who has a back log of movies that they haven't even watched yet.

For the first time in porn, there's more good titles being released each month than there is the time to watch them.

So I now watch fewer titles, than ever before.

Now when I see a director offering a new series, that ten years ago I would have jumped all over, I just yawn.

I already have all the quality porn I can handle.

So the industry is actually becoming a victim to it's own rising standards of quality, as weird as that sounds.


Edited by - Cyberchicken on 9/7/2005 11:18:46 AM

Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

3832 Posts
3/02
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 12:40PM
Cyberchicken: The best thing that can be said about today's market is that the consumer never had it so good. Quality lasts and it takes a lot to get your fingernail on the edge just to support yourself on store shelves. You have to compete with well-packaged comps for the giants of the industry who can sell a DVD for next to nothing. Sooner or later, though, consumers demand the products they want to see.

Otik: I was attending Belgrade's first-ever erotic convention. I met up with Steve Holmes and proved that camera + money still equals scenes. This formula is tried and true! The first results from that excursion are available this week in TEN LITTLE PIGGIES #6. "Maria" is the 11th piggie! It's her first and only xxx scene.

Robbie: Thanks for proving our webmaster right! I am glad you enjoy A GOOD SOURCE OF IRON and hope to continue it for a long time.

Ramsey
Senior Member

Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 12:49PM
Internet porn will destroy itself if they go further with this DRM crap. For me porn on DVD will remain the most important simply because of the high quality picture and sound.
 
Reggae Fan
Member

10 Posts
9/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 1:14PM
Speaking for myself only, I think internet porn has actually made me a better consumer. As Brandon said, there is so much out there, and there is no way for your average joe to keep up with it all. I was turned on to Private, RLD, and PXP by first downloading stuff from the Internet. Now I own DVDs from all those companies.

Truth be told, I haven't purchased movies of the scenes I have downloaded. But by downloading, I have come across lots of new girls that I would have never known about, and I have subsequently gone on to actively seek out other DVDs, which I certainly would not have done without being turned on by the internet clips in the first place.

I remember seeing a while back a clip on the internet from the Slap Happy series. I had never seen anything like it before, and I was amazed, shocked, and turned on! I never bought the DVD, but I have subsequently bought a couple AGSOI DVDs among others if I liked the female(s), and knew she was gonna get the Brandon treatment.

I agree that pirating is wrong, but I also agree with Brandon that there is no way to stay one step ahead. The Internet has brought a lot of change to the marketplace, but I also believe that the companies who harness this power and embrace it to further their marketing efforts will be the ones that will be around for a while.

jake malone
Member

530 Posts
1/05
Posted - Sep 7 2005 : 2:00PM
For once I agree with Ramsey. I joined www.germangoogirls.com and it has DRM verification for all clips. I had a fast connection but it still took WAY too long to download stuff. DVDs are the best and serve fanatics well. Surfers on the internet or people who want to sample things are better-served by sites.

Reggae Fan: Did you hear about the new SLAP HAPPY scene on my next Platinum X movie? (Just kidding...) Man, I miss those days! It was a workout and a scene all in one!




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