I know European stars have interracial scenes, and the companies usually make note of it on their sites. However, I rarely see it on the girl's agency pages. Is it just assumed with b/g that they will do interracial as well, unless they have a personal preference against it.
^ It is implied unless the performer doesn't want to,but' that's would be listed she just would say no to the offer,there's no way to list who would and who wouldn't , there are very few black performers in Europe and are very sparse Omar Williams "Big Willy" in Great Britain , Joachim Kessef in France , Eric aka Edic from Russia , American Mike Chapman in Budapest plus Brazilian Kid Jamaica and Venezuelan Franco Roccaforte travelling all over Europe there are another couple guys who works exclusively for one line or one company , for example a black stripper for Eromaxx in their orgies and a black guy who worked in Russia for a site called White Teen Black Cock and maybe another for 21sextury for a while. but that's all , very few it is difficult to say when a performer doesn't want to work with blacks or just didn't have any chance to due to combined contracts obligation of either of them, or problems with either schedule. Also Omar Williams is very big especially in girth , a refusal if any often has nothing to do with him being black and everything to do with his dick being too intimidating another thing in Europe very scarcely you will find thugs exploiting poor white girl nor the humiliating with the white at the bottom, it is almost always just sex even the cuckold movies are as such for example the "sell your GF" series which isn't even exclusively IR Anyway to do or not to do IR is not an issue here, doesn't stop your career , doesn't boost it, it's just sex, nobody mention it , nobody asks for , do if you want to. Same for anal although very widely common.
That's a great question because I don't think there is. The number of black male performers is rather small in Europe but there have been some rather famous ones over the years. As far as I can tell. Girls work with anyone regardless of color. Of course some girls may avoid working with black men but I certainly have never heard or read about it on any forum.
Aren't mixed race guys called black anyway? Away from porn you have people like Obama, Tiger Woods and the british racing driver, Lewis Hamilton and they all always referred to as being black even though they are really mixed race. Why would it be different in porn?
Well black isn't an actual race , it's a color , there are races among blacks too,the darker are called black the paler are called white or whatever , the mentioned Karlo Carrera is considered white , Justin Long is considered black ,their skin tone differs In Europe we don't even use the word race , we use ethnicity Edited by - LCF on 12/28/2013 6:01:41 AM
Well, we're certainly not as race-obsessed as you lot. Oh, we have our share of racists too, as many as anyone else I imagine, but "race" is not such a big deal in social consciousness as it is across the pond. Anyway, we don't seem to have the need to advertise that a white female model will have sex with a black male one. Which BTW is another totally baffling thing for us over in the Old Fart World: "interracial" for you lot = black guy + white woman. ONLY. Far Eastern women seem to all fall under the "Oriental" label, and women from Latin American origin (which is not a "race" as such, but anyway) under the "Latino" one. And we're talking about women of course. If a Latin American--origin guy comes and shags a black model, I bet you that the movie cover will not crow "Interracial" on it. All that is totally bizarre for me. A black guy with a white woman - what's the big deal about it? There are some race-based genres over here. "Oriental", as above, is a category here as well, as is "Beurettes" in France, i.e. women from the Maghreb (the term is actually offensive to many North Africans). But it's niche and not much different to a movie focusing on blondes or big natural breasts. And again, it's usually a white guy who gets to shag the ethnic woman. I guess it's imperialist of us :). The concept that "interracial" is a required career milestone for a (white, female) model is totally US-based, and totally strange to us. Well, to me at least. Oh, I know all about the history of "miscegenation" being such a big taboo over there, but it was one here in Britain too, ever since the West Indian immigration in the 50s. We just seem to have got over it a bit better than you lot. Imp. Edited by - Imperator on 12/28/2013 10:31:14 AM
^ so since a lesbian scene doesn't count you should put ALL Lez only performers as dodgers I'd like to see some Wiki entry for Enema Avoiders or Fisting Dodgers but most of all She-Male dodgers , you know it's straight so a PROFESSIONAL MALE PERFORMER shouldn't refuse to perform with them I really CAN?T see the point in forcing performers to do something they do not want to, what's the point into seeing someone in discomfort , likely a bad scene I'd really prefer to see a woman who likes what she's doing. Oh I forgot modern gonzo is all about abusive sex , slaps, gagging, chocking, humiliating, spitting , so what's better than put in it some racial based raping, if you know for sure a performer doesn't like to fuck a black for whatever reason then you may enjoy a rape too Edited by - LCF on 12/28/2013 12:22:16 PM
^ Is it really about forcing them to do IR or is it more to naming and shaming IR dodgers and subjecting them to the same prejudice and discrimination that IR dodgers seem happy to participate in?
^ It is forcing , by shaming them you force them to do that , so in any way you put it it is forcing , and I don't think for even a fraction of a second that your purpose is not that of have them do what YOU want them do regardless their sensitivity and if by shaming them you would ruin their career so be it, that way they MUST do what you want them to do. You can cover it with justice but it's not , it's pressure psychological but still pressure Of course those plaguing twitter with continuous requests of doing something are doing that for justice along those who want Anals, Double anals , Gang bangs , Triple penetrations Edited by - LCF on 12/28/2013 6:28:38 PM
Touchy touchy aren't we? "Forcing" would be grabbing the dodger, clamping them down and having the performer he/she refuses to see due to their ethnicity have their way with them. He or she still has a choice in the matter and I think it's melodramatic to suggest a small wiki site could ruin someone's career. It's seems OK to name and shame a person or organisation that refuses to serve somebody due to race, sexual orientation or the fact they serve in the armed forces but when it comes to a pornstar who picks and chooses based on race, naming and shaming them is somehow wrong? Am I going to get the somewhat predictable legal technicalities about discrimination as a response?
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This guy has it right. The American mentality is so warped that we think racial preference is an okay thing in dating. I won't have sex with a black man is fine, but I won't serve in the military, live with, talk to, interact with, be friends with a black guy is wrong? All extremely personal things far more personal than the casual sex seen in American porn,
Can't you see that you are practically implying that if a black asks to a white to fuck she can't refuse? You can't have ANY obligation to fuck anybody in whatsoever manner , and I'm not implying your small wiki (possibly with millions views worldwide) will ruin anything but it is the very idea that disturbs me. a single woman is not an organization , if an agent or a company refuses to work with blacks (or Latinos or Mormons or whatever you want) that'll be discrimination , not a single performer , a single performer is in her own right to choose , she's not a waitress who must serve any customer because the bar can't discriminate. you are talking about HAVING SEX to which anybody will have absolute freedom of choice. Would you ever say that , for example Mandingo is a sexist because he refuses to work with gays? or She-males? your reasoning would lead to that you wrote EXACTLY that : a person or organisation that refuses to serve somebody due to race, sexual orientation , this way any performer who refuses to work in porn should do regardless his personal sexual choices and orientation. Either your interpretation apply to ALL PORN and EVERYONE or anything you say would only be meant to force women to do something you want them to do Unless you think that a principle is only picked with chosen words and not in its entirety As you said a waitress can't refuse to serve a customer whoever he is , but no customer could be forced by law to go and buy in a place he dislike for whatever reason. also you don't know everything about a star nor her reasons to do something , I tell you the story of Sakura Aida a Japanese pornstar who had a black African American boyfriend he was perfectly fine with her doing porn since she turned 18 ,but then she accepted to come in the States to do a movie with all black performers , her BF went mad , she could fuck whoever she had to but not blacks when she discovered herself pregnant he deserted her , she had her mixed baby retired two years and now is back (a new movie with a black guy is scheduled to be issued in January). It was her BLACK BF who didn't want her to work with blacks, surely he wasn't racist maybe he just felt jealous with blacks only , felt the competition , I don't know but if she did comply with her BF requests ,with your reasoning you would have forced her to do sex with blacks regardless, also shaming her as racist even though she had a black BF and a mixed baby. There's a most harassed pornstar in that matter who has been raised by a black stepfather whose relatives are almost all black , she grew up with them, yet she's tagged as racist. There's another who dates blacks off set according to her twitter and the pictures attached in there by both her and the guys , yet she doesn't do IR on screen I don't know why
Talk about illustrating my point perfectly... This whole discussion (which is totally off-topic anyway) demonstrates what I mean that this US obsession with black men having (or not) sex with white women is totally incomprehensible to us here. Really, what is the big deal? Are there (documented) instances of black male performers not finding enough work because Starlet X doesn't fancy black men, for whatever reasons of her own? If anything it would seem to me that (1) it's rather the reverse, what with the plethora of "Interracial" titles - black men seem to be getting all the work they can wish, as long as they can get it up and look OK; (2) if anything, this obsession with "interracial" seems to be limiting black male models to these titles rather than be included in normal titles. In Europe it appears not to be such a big deal. The extremely likeable (when he's not working with Rocco at least) Franco Roccaforte has been a part of mixed European cast lists ever since the early 90s. Consigning him to an "interracial" porn ghetto would be a waste. Black men having sex with white women is no big deal, and certainly not a milestone that a model has to cross: I recently saw EA's upcoming features list, and among all the promises for Starlet X's "first b-g scene" and Y's "first anal" (both reasonable firsts), there was Starlet Z's "first interracial". I'm white, but I would have thought this to be much more offensive to black people: having sex with them is a first and a feat, presumably of endurance. People are people and sex is sex. Skin colour shouldn't matter. Making wikis and the like only reinforces this Honestly, you guys across the pond have to get over this whole race nonsense. It's absurd that Europe, with its much guiltier history of racism and aggressive imperialism, seems to be far more relaxed on this subject. Imp.
I have to agree with the others and say in most cases it isn't "forcing" the girl to do IR. If you want to use the term "pressuring" the girl to do IR I see that as the more correct term. If fans truly the power to "force" performers to perform IR all pornstars would end up doing it (as well as anal). But plenty of girls go their whole career without doing IR so clearly fans don't have the power to "force" a performer to do anything. I would image the only people with the power to force a girl into doing IR would be an agent, spouse, or director. An agent could threaten to drop a girl from their agency if they didn't do IR. A spouse could threaten to leave a girl if she didn't do IR. A director who a girl is dying to work with could tell her the only way they would shoot her is if she did IR. In all these cases you could consider these people have something to threate a girl with and be able to "force" a girl to do IR (although the examples given are all highly unlikely. Fans on the other hand have don't have any power or bargaining chip to force a girl to do anything (other than being annoying and/or rude).
How exactly do I imply in practice that you can't refuse? You sound like those pretentious scholars who try to find hidden meanings in things that aren't there. People are free to to and say that they like, I think that is a fundamental right of everybody. However, they are not free from the consequences, good or bad. If the consequences mean being called a racist by refusing to do something, so be it. It's pretty sad that you refer to people as though they are colours and not people of a certain ethnicity.
@ Imperator Wrong assumption that I'm from across the pond. I'm a Brit. I prefer interracial porn to be completely incidental, which is pretty rare from America. My issue is with those who think racial discrimination is somehow acceptable.
Your right. But there are reasons behind this...although most of the reasons are strange and based in racist notions. Although they won't admit it or can't even see it some of the guys who are over the top into IR like it so much because of the "wrongness" or "taboo" of it. The white woman (or "girl" making it more wrong) is taught a lesson by being ravaged by the big bad black man. Big black men overwhelming little white women with their size/girth. The nice white girl is "soiled" by having sex with a black man. This all goes back to another aspect of porn that many people seem to be into which is the women are sex objects to do things to and not to do things "with". Their pleasure doesn't matter or in many cases the guy watching prefers she doesn't have any pleasure. Of course not all IR porn viewers have this mentality but many do.
Every pornstar has two personas. Her on screen persona which is on display for everyone to see and comment on and her private real life persona which isn't for public consumsion. There are girls who do anal in their private lives but don't do it on screen. There are girls who do various sexual acts in their private lives but won't do them for the cameras. Why should IR be any different? If a girl has family members or friends who don't want to see her do movies with black men and she doesn't want to upset or lose those friends I don't see anything wrong with her not doing IR in porn. If she has a career path in porn mapped out and it includes not doing IR for a certain length of time, for a certain amount of money, or never doing it even fans feel it's a bad choice, it's hers to make. Her rationalization might never make sense to others but it doesn't have to. Perhaps she chooses not to do IR on screen is because she doesn't want to have sex on screen with the type of guy she's attracted to and wants to keep it strictly business. Perhaps her black BFs don't want her to have sex with other black men out of jealousy or inscurity. Perhaps she has a problem with the size of most black performers. Perhaps she's heard bad stories about the way some black performers behave on set.
I can inderstand why IR might not be a category in Europe but I like having that category in the US. I'm black and sometime I specifically want to watch IR porn. Just like sometimes I want to watch big butt porn or big breast porn or anal porn. I'm all for having specific types of porn grouped togther to make watching what I want to see easier.
Perfectly valid reasons, I agree. I also like lots of genres in my porn: natural boobs is probably my topmost requirement and a no-silicone wiki (or better: a list of scenes that a starlet who later got a boobjob made while still natural) would be something I would genuinely find useful. But I'm curious (and it is an honest, not a loaded, question). Wouldn't it serve your purposes to just follow cast lists like we all do for our other likes and dislikes, rather than having the "IR" tag in iafd? I mean, just as I avoid Rocco but welcome Franco R., avoid boobjobs but religiously follow pale blue-eyed brunettes (my biggest beauty ideal), couldn't you just follow the black male stars you like (or all of them if you prefer) along with the white girls they may be working with? I really think that making a separate category in the very least fetishises your perfectly mainstream likes. I like Japanese women a lot for example (but not Chinese ones that much - am I a racist? :)) and I would hate it if they were consigned to some White-Japanese "interracial" genre. Plus as you very correctly wrote above (and this is the insight that I was looking for exactly), too much of the "interracial" US porn is made in the mould of "let's soil this white slut". Whereas it could be so much better: I can remember two great examples off the top of my head: (1) Franco R. as above whenever he was with gorgeous Slovakian pale green-eyed brunette (there you go! :)) Suzie Diamond. They were both clearly into each other and made great intimate scenes, even though they went through the usual position changes that modern porn requires. (2) A little known Czech blonde from mid-decade Adela (Wimmerova), who always seemed to have her best scenes with black men. "Best" as in she obviously dug them. There is a particularly good scene in an orgy movie of all things (Outnumbered 4) where she seems to be having (anal) sex all the time with the same black male model, and although everyone is changing partners all the time these two seem to be ending up together all the time and they clearly enjoy it too. Imp.
Well you said you want to publicly shame those who don't do IR so they either do IR or get shamed on the Wiki Does this sound like a free choice to you? I never said that discrimination is acceptable but sexual pressure is even worse I find Ana Foxx extremely attractive , and so Skin Diamond ,Misty Stone, Layton Benton , Megan Vaughn and many others , I'd fuck them any time yet under your pressure I'd make a stand , I'd refuse each and everyone of them , I only fuck those I choose to , I MUST be the one making the choice. It's a BASIC right in my view and I'd never let anybody to steal it away from me even at the cost of giving up the goddesses I mentioned I'm a European white and I have recently discovered that roughly 50% of my porn is IR (including some White Male Black Female)didn't even noticed while buying , I don't care very much to the skin of performers I'm interested only in the attractiveness of the females. This and the reason that porn made by blacks is very often better than the abusive one made by whites (I especially like Diana Devoe as director) , I mean one on one or with passion , for example Mandingo never plays the thug part nor does LT (his White Mommas series is priceless it's not the plot only but the dialogues in it I jealously save #2 with Julia Ann and Chloe) And when it is "hard" usually it has a story a plot justifying it , for example in Black Teen Punishment and even that is often a joke. I remember in #2 Tiffany Star keeping saying to Jon Jon: punish me , give me what I deserve, punish my pussyExactly what I meant , a performer not doing IR isn't necessarily racist , so it seems to me inherently wrong to shame a performer on the assumption she is racist because of this, I'm not saying there aren't racists , just not all of them are , my question I don't know why meant her reasons in particularI agree completely , I have nothing against the labelling of IR porn as such , it's useful for marketing reasons and to allow those who want it specifically to find it , somehow like Gay and Lez porn technically lesbians are gay too but of course the viewers are completely different markets so the distinction helps the customers. I agree that pressuring is more proper than forcing , the result would be the same though Edited by - LCF on 12/29/2013 11:57:18 AM
No I didn't. Tell me exactly where I explicitly declared intent to name and shame those on a Wiki site. .... .... Nope, you've found that I did no such thing. I was referring to Psychomiff's post (edited multiple times since) referring to a Wiki site with the name and shame, later edited to a Wikipedia entry. I never said I planned on joining a crusade of naming and shaming. I referred to people being named and shamed but I at no point specified that I would be taking part. You've just deduced that from circumstantial findings. Your CSI/detective skills are pretty lousy. Yet again you've misread or just read what you wanted to read. Try reading properly (i.e. without an agenda) before making wholly false accusations.
^ Apologies. You did indeed intend for it to be just a documentation of IR dodging, NOT a name and shame though it could easily taken that way. However, I maintain that LCF was patently incorrect in saying I intended to do a name and shame campaign.
^ even to follow the advises of your agent is a choice. you mentioned superstars , those who earn more money performing than feature dancing ,the lesser performers have different stories , those who earn the most through feature dancing , camming , or even escorting may suffer if they do IR , there are places where they are just deserted because they did IR, even as escorts , there are entire forums of rednecks taking note of who did IR , there are stars who just disappear after doing IR. You mentioned the superstars , but what about Sammy Grand , Tiffany Star, Samantha Faye , Nora Skyy, Angelina Black, April Turner , Kennedy Kressler , Bambi Diamond ,Nicki Blue Jessi Palmer , Sara Monroe, Amy Quinn and I have a lot more names, they either stopped or they career never took off which is a shame especially for Amy Quinn none of those has the power to force their company to shoot an IR scene like Stoya did. Riley Steele mentioned a fellow performer who literally had to quit porn and to escape from her house because she has been threatened and labelled as traitor of her race after doing ONE IR scene , she was stalked, had to flee. I have a different example Joslyn James , look at her movies you will notice she barely did IR in her first years in porn but she was fucking Tiger Woods privately for three years. After that she was exposed and then did lots of IR and for anyone who see her she looks very much into it. back then you would have placed her in your list
No. The IR label is very simple and to the point. It works just fine for me. I know what I'm getting. I know some people are up in arms about porn using the IR label only when blacks and whites are in the scenes but I thinks it's a silly thing to put much thought behind. I like that IR means black and white because I know exactly what I'm getting. All Latina, Asian, and black are marked and marketed as such and are easy to identify. I am very big on porn being clearly marked and grouped for a specific audience. I don't want to pick up an IR movie to find some scenes with a white guy with an Asian woman in some of the scenes. Not that there's anything wrong with Asians with white guys but I'd like that to be marked as such. I like all sorts of porn but at times I like a particular theme/type and I like that it's grouped together and clearly marked as such.I don't think there's too much of anything. If no one was watching it, it would go away. Some people specifically like that sort of porn and if it's legal and enough of those people are around to support it more power to them. I'm not one to say "My kink is good and your is bad...". I personally don't like certain types of porn so I simply avoid it. If the girls are okay making it and it isn't harming them to perform it I have no problem with it. It's all play-acting. I personally don't get caught up in themes of IR porn. I just want sex between a black guy and the white performer I wish to see perform. I don't really care if the black guy is player her romantic love or the thug from the hood...I just want a hot performance from them.
???...And this is because they did IR? There are pornstars who never did IR and they never reached "superstar" status. I'm not sure why you're convinced these girls doing IR hampered these girls career. There are many reasons why some girls never become porn "superstars". Not all girls are superstar material no matter if they do IR or not just as some girls can do IR and become huge stars.And after Stoya shot the scene and it finally got released what happened? It doesn't seem like it was that big a deal either way. Unless I don't know part of the story it didn't have any affect on her career either way.I'm sure this happens but it's not the norm. Plenty of girls do IR with no problems and in this case mentioned it was probably one or two fans that flipped out and the majority of her fans probably didn't care. If there were enough fans out there who hate IR enough to ruin careers we'd have seen evidence of it long ago and they would affect much more girls. It's usually a few crazy vocal fans who do dumb stuff and not the vast majority.
^ Maybe the names I mentioned didn't disappear because they did IR ,There are no proofs about that yet they all did disappear or have never been as great as they could have been, also that post of mine was in response to another now deleted, there were only names unaffected by their choices (Tori Black and Bobbi Starr) I just put some names who MIGHT have been affected by this. Stoya's is another whole thing she is powerful and attractive enough to gain the power to do what she wants , yet DP retained her IR scene for two years before issuing it. She's not affected by that , but then again she's Stoya, and I actually said she has the power to do it. All that I meant is that doing IR could actually affect a pornstar (the example mentioned by Riley Steele is one) I can't blame someone who is afraid.I agree it's not the norm, but it is pretty scary. If a star does one or two scenes per month she need something else to make a living , Feature dance or strip, but if people don't go to her show what can she do? A big star can do almost anything a lesser star can't and even some big in vanilla porn have to think about who buys her movies and scenes normally , cable TVs whose customers don't buy IR? Can we do something to change this? Well we can name and shame the AGENTS who force them to this rather than the actresses , instead we're putting some of them between the hammer and the anvil , the pornstars are the weakest in this , we should make pressure or better force those creating this to stay back quietly. I'm not protecting this system I'm giving support to the pornstars , surely there are racists among them yet the majority isn'tJust to specify that I have no agenda nor I used any CSI skills in fact I actually believed you two to be the same person , don't know why ... anyway Psychoniff deleted all his posts so we're talking about nothing and we already looked somehow dumb because he kept editing them so that our replies didn't make any sense sometimes, or even seemed blatantly forced to carry something that wasn't there. Edited by - LCF on 12/30/2013 7:47:29 AM
Not at all he was addressing to the performers , I'm addressing to the producers and this wouldn't stop the customers from deserting Dancers , Strippers and escorts who do IR anyway He should shame DIRECTORS, PRODUCERS and AGENTS who never book black performers and who prevent the performers from doing what they would like. He should find out who they are and shame them not their victims If doing IR would starve you because either your agent, stripping clubs , dancing clubs, cams customers and even johns won't book you because of that then you can't be named a "dodger". You have no choice. And now they are even shamed on the internet. Yeah, good point indeed he had.
Edited by - LCF on 12/30/2013 1:07:55 PM
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Like Psychoniff said, it's already a matter of public record for 'dodgers' so it's no secret who is a 'dodger'. I understand your point that making it a complied wiki list, is almost akin to a 'blacklist', no pun intended, thus implying an intent to shame them and publicly humiliate them. However, what difference would it make? In what way does it differ to to IAFD which complies info on practically everything a pornstar does from anal, gangbangs etc. Edited by - Tobyedison on 12/30/2013 1:20:01 PM
^ very few do the paperwork to see how many pornstar "dodge" IR , of course if someone else does the work and then put it on TV it's another whole story. Besides IAFD isn't this reliable for example from there Spring Thomas did just 2 IR movies out of 8 , in 2009 and 2010 ,since she begun her career in 2004 , so she's been a dodger for 5 years and was barely interested in IR porn and did as much IR as Lez or BJs I mean Spring Thomas a performer with over 140 IR scenes in less than 3 years There are stars who do IR for their website only and others who nobody offered , remember on this board Penny Pax open for IR from the beginning , proposed herself to dogfart and others , she did not beg but almost, yet there was only a glory hole scene for almost a year nobody was booking her for IR. Kristina Rose said she was open to IR from the beginning but she received no offer for a year you might have called then both "dodger" Sophia Santi was a contract star didn't any IR for years ,you know what? the first thing she did out of contract was IR , she even signed for Justin Slayer and directed for him. You would have shamed her as dodger. really guys , the stars aren't the culprit , you are pointing your fingers to some victims
That's a sweeping statement if ever I've heard one. Yes, some stars are victims of their agents, producers and casting directors, you get no argument from me on that but to suggest they all victims and not culprits is a load of crap. Some stars have openly stated they do not do IR whilst others said they haven't because they haven't been cast for such scenes or because they want to save it for later, believing it would be more special and others haven't done it because of producers depicting IR as the black dude tarnishing the white girl. I'm sure there are plenty of non-dodger reasons but it certainly is not the case that all stars aren't the culprit.
I never said they are all victims, I said that in my previous posts ,I can't possibly repeat that in every post nor I can say everything exhaustively every time.Unless we know them personally none of us can say for sure who is the victim and who is not , to shame them all as racists is worse than to leave out those who are. I believe you know the universal principle of justice to be sure beyond any doubt. To shame a victim as a culprit is not only unfair it is as wrong as wrong could be , if you want to change something than attack those who are in charge , hit them in their wallet , lighter their safes with less money and they will change. You will accomplish nothing shaming those who are powerless and helpless (with exceptions of course , but those who have some power like Lisa Ann do plenty IR already) Am I doing something about that? Something I do , for example I don't buy anything from some companies known for not doing IR or doing that VERY scarcely with the exception of one pornstars of which I sustain the choices buying (or renting when not for sale) her stuff There are directors who VERY Very scarcely book black performers , I just ceased buying or renting their stuff and this even giving up the chance to see some stars I really like in the kind of passionate scenes I'm fond of. I already did something of this sort for other reasons. I didn't like the abusive sex a company was producing I just let it go and never, ever bought anything from it, the same happened for another company who brought in a director with an alias who actually was a performer infamously known for willingly spreading HIV in the industry and refused to take into consideration what their customers were saying. Their choice. It's a dead company for me , it used to be great though. This is the ONLY way to change things hit where it hurts , if you shame the actresses and blacklist them they just will hire someone else who is not blacklisted and continue as they always did. With very few exceptions they're expendable in the eyes of those in charge, with real power. If you guys really think that shaming the "dodgers" will change anything , then by all means be my guest but it's a useless battle.
Deauxma only does interracial for her website. I think Kennedy Kessler didn't last because she was so thin as a pencil,Jessie Palmer has been ill lately.And yes, Blacks can be prejudice againt other Blacks,for example light skin vs dark skin Blacks.
I think contract girls are a different matter. In the case of DIGITAL PLAYGROUND they clearly has an audience that likes what they do and the DP people are aware of what they respond to. Not everyone wants to see IR porn. That's fine. DP has done IR scenes from time to time in the past and I'm sure they got feedback on it in the form of comments and perhaps sales and I have to believe if it it went over well they would've done more of it. So if one of their contract stars wanted to do IR and they see it isn't something their audience doesn't respond well to I can totally understand why they didn't want her to do IR. Savanna Samson apparently went through the same thing a VIVID but with different results and her BLACKMALED (or whatever it's called) did well enough to warrant VIVID doing more BLACKMALED movies. But then VIVID has always done IR from time to time. But I tend to think a studio should cater to their audience and give that audience what they like/want. If IR doesn't work well for them DP shouldn't do it. I like WCP. I don't want to see and white male performers there. People don't guys in their lesbian studio movies. They don't want small breasted women in their big boob studio movies. There's enough porn out their with studios doing what whatever a fan needs to see without the need for every studio trying and please everyone.
Another thing to remember and take into account is the girl's booking prices. Not every girl charges the same fee and many of the studios who do a lot of IR are smaller and don't have the money to pay a girl asking for a certain amount. If you notice there are certain girls who don't seem to do any IR except for the bigger studios players. So with some girls you aren't going to see any IR from them unless JULES JORDAN, ELEGANT ANGEL, or EVIL ANGEL asks. Also, some girls will always be more in demand than others for IR. I think curvier girls are more popular in IR porn overall. That's why so many fans were/are upset that Alexis Texas doesn't do IR moreso than a lot of skinny girls who don't but they don't pay any attention to. Not to say people don't want to see the thinner girls do IR but if you look at the more IR performers they tend to be curvy women.
@ Draxxx I completely agree with you , there are lots of reason for not doing IR other than racism , Rates, Market , body shape many things and this is why I said it's not a fair thing to shame a pornstar as a dodger implying she's racist , unless you are completely sure of it and I mean SURE not just a marketing behaviour. And I really can't think a company like DP would push IR in the throats of its customers if they don't want it, nor they would allow their marketed stars to do it and ruin their market , Stoya had to fight and they kept her scene waiting for two years (I'm told there's another one a threesome, never released but could be a myth nobody ever confirmed nor denied this, could be just a rumor). Sophia Santi did IR first thing in the morning just after she was free of contract,almost the same for Jenna Haze out of Jill Kelly's who BTW produced some IR especially with Silvia Saint.
racism bullshit aside, i think the dofart network needs to devote a site with european stars taking on black american talent. I am a fan of european porn but when i comes to european interracial i hate all the regular male talent such as kid jamaica and franco roccoforte. Miss all the trash talking that goes on with black american talent. Anyone whos watched black pipe layers series and gangland creampie #3 and 4 will know what i mean.
