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According to our fellow member Swede he has mentioned on more than one occasion that IR porn is indeed degrading to white women, personally I think he is talking shit but this is not about me so I put the question out there is this type of porn degrading to white women and why or why not?
I have watched alot of porn some may say too much but I can honestly say I have gained as much excitement from watching Alexis Texas getting banged by Manuel Ferrara or Erik Everhard as I have watching Cecilia Vega take on a bunch of black guys in a gangbang of epic proportions. Did I view Cecilia's scene any different to Alexis? Yes actually I thought Cecilia was well up for the 'BBC' exactly the reason why I had been watching unlike the Alexis scenes where I wanted to see her taking an absolute pounding and can gladly report I got what I sought after in roughly equal measure. However I for sure did not view Cecilia as being degraded and that thought has never entered my mind when watching porn but that's just the way i'm programmed I guess. Edited by - jonny jay on 1/6/2011 4:50:46 PM
I think it's subjective. It can be argued that it's degrading to black men since it could be thought of they have to 'prove' themselves by being able to have sex with a white female(porn and IRL), it can be degrading to black women since it's saying that they arent good enough.
The race of the male talent has nothing to with it. It's all in the type of scene and how much respect the female talent is shown.* But some studios have shot IR gang bangs, which could possibly lead some who are not into the whole vibe of gang bangs to associate IR with that. But there's no reason why the skin color of the performers cannot be unmentioned and unimportant in the scenes, and in fact there are scenes like that already. *Yes, there is a place in porn for female submissives and male dominants, and I'm okay with that, but I'm not talking about that here. Wrong word. Edited by - Gentleman Jon on 1/6/2011 4:29:42 PM
I think it's depends on how people are brought up. If you're raised to not date other races and you do ir porn I'm sure you will feel degraded. If you are raised to date any race I'm sure it is not degrading. Now can someone lock this thread before someone comes and gets out of hand with this topic. People are racist and it will never change. So let's just get over it. All races have racist people. Now this topic is just another silly IR thread.
Yes, a white girl getting fucked a black man is degrading. Letting five white guys piss in your mouth and slap your face and use on speculum on you? Not so much. That's empowering.
There was a time when mainly I watched European porn, paying little mind to the guys. There were those guys that seemed to make the scenes better like Greg Centauro, Choky Ice, Mick Blue etc. But, overall, unless I was avoiding them, they never factored into my viewing habits. Perhaps it's cheesy but I went for things like cinematography. Usually it all came together with Private, or, as my tastes became raunchier, Rocco and Christoph Clark. These days I watch interracial, so as a rule the guys matter more than they did before. Why? I can't say. But I do know its not out of chauvinism. She can fuck whites, Latinos, Asians or whoever, I couldn't care less. Let her daddy worry about that. I do feel like, for first-timers, black guys make the best gatekeepers. Now that I have a general idea of the sausage-making side of pornography, especially as it pertains to race, its amazing that somehow, despite the indignities, I maintain a childlike admiration for porn chicks. There's a thin line when you're talking sex on film. I like to see them worshiped as much as "degraded", just as long as she's comfortable with it. At the end of the day, I'm looking for something to snarl at. That might explain why I enjoy the wf/bm...bf/wm scenarios the most. The potential eroticism alone is good enough for me. But mark my words, I'll never beg a girl to do interracial. Why beg when you can browbeat? (LOL) I'm not sure if I answered the question, but oh well. It sounds to me like someone's looking for self-affirmation in the wrong places. These girls are heart-breakers by trade.
For some white guys that is definitely a factor in why they rent IR porn. And its definitely white guys driving the market for IR porn. I think there are definitely a lot of guys out there that get off on women being degraded. That's why stuff like Max Hardcore, Meatholes, and Pissmops are so successful. Then you have the white guys that are into the cuckold stuff. Watching their wives get banged by black men. I think some men get off watching black men with white women just like some guys get off watching a woman get fucked by a dog or horse. Please don't flame me for that comment I'm just being honest about how some white men think. It's kinda sick when you think about it that a guy gets off watching his woman get violated. But he probably looks at her like a possession or thing to be played with. Then there are some white guys that are closet homosexuals who get off watching big dick black guys so watching IR porn is a way to disguise it. A more interesting question to me is what do white women think about IR porn?
Hey JJ... since the last thread ("Alexis Texas Does Anal") got locked, I want to take this opportunity to go slightly off-topic and answer your question which was an answer to mine... YOU: If this was ever going to be true it certainly would be with Lex and not these guys (growns a plenty but they always choose him for credibility) ME: So are we now at the point, where a scene with Lex doesn't count as "Real IR"?? (and please note, I'm one of Lex' biggest fans) YOU: I have no idea where your coming from, my point was Lex gets chosen because of his high profile by the big stars who eventually go interracial like Tory Lane for example and in my opinion that choice is down to credibility, I have no idea what "Real IR" you talk about of course it's real. OK, ME AGAIN: Sorry if I offended you; I was partly joking; all I meant to say was you are correct, a lot of women have Lex (or Sean) as maybe their only Black man. No doubt there's his stardom, there's also the fact of his professionalism, something that many girls (of all races) have claimed , is lacking among other black men. I guess what I was saying is, are fans here going to start saying "Oh, great another girl does IR with Lex, the safe choice--I wanna see her do a GB with 10 black guys. Doing it with Lex is nothing special" That was my comment. Back to this thread, IR is degrading if the girl thinks it is, sure. Doing gangbangs is degrading if the girl thinks it is. Porn itself is degrading if the girl thinks it is. Being a janitor is degrading if you think it is. Working at a McDonald's is degrading if you think it is.
It's all in how the person performing the act perceives it.
I don't believe in degradation. If it's consensual, it's not degrading. And of course, if it isn't consensual, whether or not it's degrading is really beside the point. It's against the law. People who think porn is degrading shouldn't watch it and then they wouldn't have anything to complain about. Edited by - randomprecision on 1/7/2011 8:28:27 PM
"Why don't you flex yr magic muscle?" (Captain Beefheart) 418 Posts 5/10
Posted - Jan 8 2011 : 1:49PM
Jonny Jay, I'm glad you stated from the outset that Swede was talking shit, coming up with such a ridiculous notion. I have to say, though, that having this topic as a discussion thread by it's very nature entertains such a notion and partly legitimises it, which is a poor show. How about cretins who believe this is an legitimate topic explain why they think it is. Those that don't don't need to explain why they believe it to be a pile of crap. It just is - the very idea. Come-on!
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"Why don't you flex yr magic muscle?" (Captain Beefheart) 418 Posts 5/10
Posted - Jan 8 2011 : 1:55PM
Swede must be one major arsehole racist if he seriously beileves that. Why are views like that even being entertained? It sucks. Bet Swede's all insecure because his girlfriend (if he has one) has a secret desire to be surrounded by a parade of big black cocks
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Posted - Jan 8 2011 : 2:08PM
what is really the difference? its porn also, these girls are lucky they arent in europe. in europe they hire you and you dont know who you are working with. You walk in the room, it can be 15 black guys, indian, chinese, and you have to do it.
If they feel like they aren't good enough and if their inferiority complex is that strong, that's on THEM! More importantly than porn, black women feel this way in real life simply because when you go to an upscale city like L.A. or Miami (or even foreign countries), black men don't go after black women. Black women are actually laughed at overseas, but that's by their own admission.
Simply put, if either performer, Black male or White female, has no qualms about porking whites or blacks on camera respectively, no it is not degrading for them.
Truly confused, you criticise the thread for entertaining opinions such as Swedes and also that this thread legitimises his opinion I catergarically refute that btw, in my opinion this thread addressess/confronts not legitimises or entertains, a huge difference. Also this thread welcomes views that are similar to Swedes to be discussed without prejudice from the OP as I made my point very clear as you pointed out. A poor show? I don't think so. You propsed asking the question: "How about cretins who believe this is an legitimate topic explain why they think it is." Your question should be a topic thread maybe under the heading 'Do you believe asking if IR porn is degrading to white women should be entertained or not?' Well post it then instead of proposing it, it is a legitimate question not an entertaining one it may even help you get more responses than your previously posted topic threads.
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Posted - Jan 10 2011 : 8:24AM
are u stupid or something like that!!!! whats this question!!! if a black guy fuck a white woman,does she get an orgasm or not? yes she does.talking about races is stupid en general and in porn worst. are you noting that black americans have mostly light skin? do you know why?? you like porn but stay ignorant and stupid they've light skin because of the past,when white womens fucking with slaves ,and their husbands with black womens. stop talking shit and let your dick and back to school
hollysylva wrote:. stop talking shit and let your dick and back to school [/quote] I'm sorry but what does that mean? [/quote] That entire post was incomprehensible -- and simultaneously, sheer fucking genius.
lol yep.. way i see it if i was black instead of Aleska Diamond DPFanatics Scenes would be watching her do the same thing except in Blacks On Blondes- not being racist as im pretty sure this would be vice versa
I think that race mixing is disguisting. Eventhough the mass media and IR porn is trying to brainwashing us into thinking that it's "perfectly normal" Admin note: Then I suggest you find an all white forum, or perhaps one where the races are kept separate. I don't know any white women who have been treated well by black men in relationships or otherwise, eventhough in Sweden race mixing isn't as common as in the US and the UK, I know of two girls from my former high school who have had kids with black men, the guys "disappeared" as soon as it started to show that they were pregnant. Another one was raped by her black boyfriend when she wanted to break up. Another reason is that biracial children often struggle with depression and mental problems cause of not knowing where they belong etc. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/aa/index.htm that's another reason to not mix with black people, the risk of catching HIV and other STDs. Edited by - _swede_ on 1/13/2011 12:35:31 PM Edited by - Janitor on 1/15/2011 11:49:13 AM
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Posted - Jan 13 2011 : 12:44PM
The problem are that many if not most of men in porn seems to be real douche bags. e.g. judging from 9 to 5: Days in porn Otto Bauer seems like a narcisisist who abuses his wife Audrey and women in general. I like female directors cause I think it's more empowering for the female performers. I also don't like men using buttplugs on girls ore fisting them, I think it's much better and hotter cause other girls are more aware of how it feels and not hurting the other girl (with some exceptions though)
MOD: This thread has questionably stayed open but the most recent poster has pushed it over the edge. It's done. Edited by - Flash on 1/13/2011 12:45:43 PM
