A while back I took a look at this thing, and it sure seemed to me that Venice got railroaded by prosecutors who wanted to nail a porno guy and get a notch on their belts. Dude will do at least 11 years for something he almost for sure did not do. I'm amazed that the porn community hasn't been more up in arms about this.
Agreed. He basically did what the people of "Girls Gone Wild" have been doing for years - but since he is a porn actor, and worked for a porn company, he got book thrown at him. You would think Shane's World, with all their millions wuold have hired a decent lawyer to represent him. I almost think some people where glad to see him go - so they could exploit Hanna Hilton.
Because it sure seems that he was railroaded because he was in porn. The whole business of the photos they gave the alleged victim sure make it seem that way. I just think that the adult film community would have been more interested in this case. Seemed like most had the opinion that he got what he deserved. Surewood got more sympathy.
Wow. I would hate to have you on a jury. There's not one iota of evidence that I've seen that says he raped her. Or even came close. Other than the word of someone in jail who was looking to curry favor with prosecutors. No DNA. Hell, the victim doesn't even know if she was raped or not.
I remember this, he was going out with Hanna Hilton and she even showed up to court when he got sentenced. I would have imagined she would have eaisly moved on by now. Whilst the scumbag is in jail, he can think about how she is getting plowed by some other dude. Even if he gets released the adult industry is the last place he would get a job. On another note, Brian 'The Pirate' Surewood is in jail still if I remember correct. He had a streetrace with some dude and ended up killing someone. Bad times indeed. I wonder if he still has the beard in jail...
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Posted - Apr 24 2011 : 12:28PM
^^^^ Hanna had way more class then Jack, even though they had some very hot scenes together. She was one of my favs. Wish she was back in the business. Miss those TITS!!!
Since you continuously call Jack a rapist, would you please share with us the mountains of evidence that you must know about? Or are you simply going off the fact that he was convicted? As if nobody has ever been wrongly convicted before.
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Posted - May 7 2011 : 4:27PM
Ramsey's one of those white-knighting the gal's always right types. That all kinds of silly shit is being called rape these days (buyer's remorse, etc.) and that huge numbers of alleged rapists are wrongly convicted probably doesn't register at all.
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Posted - May 7 2011 : 7:31PM
^ You two are being ridiculous. The man is a convicted rapist. It is not inaccurate or otherwise inappropriate for Ramsey or anyone else to refer to him as such.
I'm not a Jack Venice fan. I haven't been a huge porn fan for all that long. But after reading up on this case, as well as some of the posts in this topic, I'm kind of pissed off. What the fuck ever happened to innocent untill proven guilty? This guy does NOT deserve life. And I think anyone who says he does should have some information to back up that opinion.
"I'm Not Here To Suck My Own Cock!" 2145 Posts 5/10
Posted - May 8 2011 : 2:57PM
Jack's Fucked! He ain't going to be doing any porn shoots for a long time. If he want sex, he probably needs to get use to sucking dicks and taking it in the ass. Sorry to say. Bet Jack's in demand in the big house.
So please explain the proof to me. Because a conviction without evidence does not equal proof to me. Give me some real evidence that he's a rapist and I'll shut the fuck up.
Because I guess all of the people on death row who have been released because DNA evidence proved them innocent should have been put to death, because they were convicted? Yep, the legal system works great. So you should condemn someone based on that... Uh huh. I want REAL proof before you ruin someone's life.
Looks like Jacky Boy has internet service in the big house.
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trout bum Deactivated User
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Posted - May 8 2011 : 3:15PM
You're not one of those Birther dudes are you? It doesn't matter what the evidence is, they just refuse to believe the facts. Just be glad you're not in Jack's shoes.
*Yawns* Got any evidence yet? I really don't give a shit about Jack Venice. I'm just sick of the attitude that you are guilty as soon as you're accused of something. Like I said, if you can give me a link to some real evidence, I will agree with you that he deserved what he got.
The jury saw the evidence and that's the important part. Your opinion if he's guilty or not is not very relevant.
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Posted - May 8 2011 : 4:32PM
Just going by his girlfriend's "defense" of him I read at Luke Ford, Jack Venice is a total douchebag. And a would-be rapist. But that doesn't change the fact that there are a ton of white-knighters here, which is pretty gd funny when you think about just who they're white-knighting.
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Posted - May 8 2011 : 4:59PM
WE DO NOT NEED TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE, WE ARE NOT A COURT! It went to court, evidence was produced THERE (where neither you, nor us were at the time) and he was convicted. That's all any of us has to go on. It's how EVERY conviction ever is processed. Deal with it. You ask for a link to provide "real evidence"... what's a link going to prove? Anyone could write anything on the internet. You seem like someone who's not going to believe anything said against him anyway, so I very much doubt a second-hand account written by some third party internet source won't suffice in convincing you. You want to take up his case for an appeal (based on what exactly, that you're a fan?), go ahead. Good luck with that...
I'm not a fan. Never heard of the guy. Just want to know why he went to jail. I have been reading about it, and I don't see any evidence that he's a rapist. Its not so much this case that bothers me. It is the attitude that people are automatically guilty, and that the courts are always right, which is not the case. Nobody is offering any evidence other than "thats what the courts said" which doesn't convince me at all. So I'm going to drop this.
Just to summarize what I get from this, since the argument seems rather polarized: The case against JV *seems* to be manufactured based upon claims linked in this thread. In my mind, this brings doubt to the court proceedings. What was said there? What evidence actually convinced a jury that he was guilty? These two questions are rather fundamental to the justice process. In this case, you wouldn't think those two questions would be difficult to answer. I'd hope no one here would argue with that. I have no idea if he's guilty or not. But I DO know that the justice system, as good as it is, isn't 100%. Dr. P
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 8 2011 : 8:46PM
Here are some otherlinks from sources other than the rumour mill that is Lukeford.com: where btw, a porn performer called Devon says Jack Venice raped her, so if one takes the posts in defense of Venice seriously there, what is what to make of that one? The Seattle Weekly feature goes into a lot of detail, from a number of different witnesses. It's not just Schott's word, Venice was identified by those who confronted him when they were trying to scam, and in at least one case breaking, into sorority houses while drunk and belligerent. Obviously the behaviour of an upstanding citizen beyond reproach. Venice says that he didn't do anything but then says he can't remember anything from the night because he was so drunk, a basic contradiction. His statement that he wouldn't need to rape someone because he gets paid to have sex is moronic, to say the least. As DL points out we don't have all the evidence in front of us like the jury did, so all this second guessing is rather goofy, as if one can really get enough info just from the internet to form a better opinion than the jury. There is even a name for this among lawyers and judges, the 'CSI syndrome' where people insist on 'irrefutable' DNA or physical evidence in every case, which is unrealistic and absurd. From the description given of the assault there wouldn't be physical evidence of the assault, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Plus, those yelling for more info could just Google it like the rest of us instead of insisting others here do it for them like we're their nannies or something. Edited by - BlackSix on 5/8/2011 9:04:28 PM
Did Devon go to the police? I am not familiar with that situation, but I do know that Ginger Lynn said several years ago that Ron Jeremy raped her in Hawaii while they were making some movies. She spent whole shows on KSEX talking about it and getting other girsl to talk about how Jeremy did the same thing to them. Fast forward to the present and Ginger Lynn is doing a scene with Ron Jeremy. Now either she is the most forgiving person in history, or she was lying her ass off before. Not saying Devon is, but just her saying that doesn't mean it's true. I'm not defending Venice as a person. I just think that what I have heard sure sounds like a railroading to me, and nobody who is reveling in his conviction seems to be able to provide a scintilla of evidence to the contrary. I sure hope they are never falsely accused and have to rely on people like themselves to exonerate them.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 10 2011 : 3:39AM
Have you read the Seattle Weekly feature? Schott and Reid (aka Venice) were breaking into sorority houses while drunk, they were identified by several different witnesses. Where is the railroad exactly?
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