we the people in order to form a more perfect union... 518 Posts 12/03
Posted - Jun 18 2005 : 4:06AM
like many of you i don't have any problem seeing young sexy women doing their thing in these movies. you could even say that these young ones are the engine of the porn industry.
last week however something popped into my head that made me take a long pause. right now there are some girls, who were born in 1987, have already done or are about to do their first scene(s) in porn. think about this! girls who weeks ago donned caps and gowns will wind up having sex with grown men, some who are in their late 30s and 40s, old enough to be their daddy.
with all of these barely legal teens coming into porn is this becoming a problem?
Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04
Posted - Jun 18 2005 : 11:19AM
No, I think it is perfectly natural - both from an aesthetic and a biological point of view. We all love seeing young, healthy, fertile females with child-bearing hips doing (mostly) what comes natural and what we humans have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years.
Furthermore, the average 18 year old girl these days has much more experience than an equivalent 18 year old (or, in some cases, even a 45 year old sailor or truck driver) did 30, or even 20, years ago.
We can't keep these girls swathed in cotton wool all their lives - it's a big nasty world out there.
Is porn becomming too young or are you becomming too old :)
Anyone can feel free to correct me if im wrong but i kindof think it is a good thing. I have read that a lot of these girls are lets say doing the porn thing and then with money saved up , later going on to college or whatever. With starting at 18 , you can lets say quit at 21 or so and move onto other things you might have also wanted to try.
There arent many jobs out there where you are considered in your prime at such a young age. Generally if you start some deskjob at 18 you are considered inexperienced , incompetant and you are generally underpaid. So if these girls can cash in early i think its great for them. As long as no one is exploited or taken advantage of i think it is all good.
I don't understand this 'old enough to be your daddy' because women seem to like experienced men of various reasons... probably because they're better at fucking after all those years of practice.
I would like to see more girls 25+, but especially in america the 'innocence factor' seems to be very important.
Amateur/Newbie/Barely Legal is my favorite genre of porn. To me, once the women get into the business they seem to lose the, um, er "honesty" (sorry, wish I could come up with a better word) that is sometimes regarded as "professionalism." Keep 'em coming...in more ways than one!
I know a lot of girls who have done a lot of sex for free with some fricking losers (any of them, BF, Classmates, etc..), I don't see why not make it and have some income at the same time. As long as is legal, I have no problemo.
I don't think 18 year olds are emotionally mature enough to take the plunge into porn. There's just too many creeps hungry to take advantage of them.
I think the minimum age to do porn should be 21, but this isn't a point I'm prepared to argue over. I fully realize that my opinion is in the minority.
All 18 year old girls (and boys too) are different. Some will be mature enough and some will not. Any age limit is going to be fairly arbitrary and bar some who are mature enough while letting others through who are not. 18 does not seem to be to be a figure unreasonable enough to require changing. The law already recognises that consenting to participate in porn requires a greater degree of maturity than simply consenting to sex by setting the age limit for porn higher than the legal age of consent - that seems to me to be enough.
(btw I will just add that I don't have much time for teenage performers, my own preference by far is for maturer women - as far as I am concerned the ideal woman is about 30. I would be very happy to see porn become less fixated on youngsters but I don't feel there should be a change in the law to force it.)
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Posted - Jun 18 2005 : 8:15PM
I don't think basketball players should be drafted out of high school either, but they are, and their rights are protected by law. An eighteen year old is considered to be an adult in the eyes of the law in most ways and making decisions about their body is one of them. It would be better if producers tried to discourage them but we know that's not going to happen any time soon. Maybe as time goes on, the sheer audacity of a generation, and generations to come, that fucks on camera and maintains it's self respect will change their level of acceptance when they leave the industry. That would be good for everybody.
Seems like a moot point to me. I don't think anyone will ever raise the age to 21 for girls to do porn. The problem in my opinion is on the side of producers. They are the people with the intent to use these girls for a quick buck and toss them aside (before people go crazy I'm not saying all or even most producers are guilty of this, but some are).
I can see the obvious difference between a girl who is 18 and does a scene because she is comfortable and loves sex and the girl who is coerced into doing it. Scenes of the latter type are repulsive to me and i steer clear of them.
It sounds kinda crazy but maybe there should be some sort of institute (porn school if you will) where talent is required to go and learn a few things and be evaluated before they are allowed to enter the industry.
i have nothing against girls that are 18 in the business (i started at that age), but the thing that is WRONG in my humble opinion is to see how the directors dress them up in schoolgirl outfits , put them in pigtails and make them act like they re real young.
Here in the US, any person who turns 18 and is of sound mind can legally engage in sexual activities with others their age and older. So as long as they can fully give consent, I see nothing wrong with barely legal teens doing porn.
I definitely don't have a problem with the age limit in porn as I like them legal-age young and also like them "more mature" (my definition of "more mature" is 25 to 45). I don't have a pig-tail, schoolgirl fetish so I have to agree with Melissa that if girls are being made to look pre-legal-age young to appeal to the pedophilic notions of some viewers, it is going a bit too far, especially if it encourages viewers to act on their pedophilic desires.
Since many of these girls have been having sex since a young age (most interviews ask the question and most girls usually answer in the 12 to 15 age range), why not let them do it on camera? Heck, Traci Lords was underage almost her entire porn career and she never appeared to not be able to handle it. Of course that might not be a good example as she has said she was abused from a young age which led her into porn and is still carrying emotional scars from her experiences.
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I really don't see too much of a problem with 18 year olds doing on film what so many are doing in real life anyway. Whatever the age, some people mature faster and are therefore more emotionally prepared for the indstry than others. I like some of these young girls, but I can also say there have been some that just struck me as too young-looking. I just don't find that "Lolita" thing a turn on...just my own thing, I guess and I can appreicate that others disagree.
However, I have always been extremely attracted to woman a little closer to my age (funny how we consider them "the old guard", etc when most are still younger than I!) Tiffany Mynx , Kylie Ireland , these are the women that really do it for me!
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Posted - Jun 19 2005 : 2:26AM
Awful, but I have an easy solution: Watching porn should be forbidden for everyone over 21.
New skin for the old ceremony. It's cyclical and probably accelerated by how highly technological our society is.
It's not only in porn that it happens. Every now and then everyone pushes things to extremes in all directions: make it younger/older, make it harder/softer, make it make it nastier/cleaner, make it dumber/smarter, make it skinnier/fatter, make it +/-.
Of course after awhile ppl get bored of that trick and goes back to eating meat and potatoes...a period of equilibrium which last until the next generation of shit-stirrers gets tired of THAT.
Round and round she goes - faster and faster with each turn.
Then theres those who dont necessarily always want it higher, but high enough, which is generally higher than typically delivered. "Please let them be younger, harder, nastier, dumber, and skinnier +amen+."
Question for you sh_rock. What age did you start watching porn yourself? 13? 16? 19? 22? 25? (I'm doing the multiple of '3' thing too).
At each of those ages, things in your life are different. Same as watching porn when you are 35 as opposed to 25. Your life changes. Your priorities change. Your tastes and fantasies change. Maybe you will have a daughter who you care about with all your heart, and looking at younger porn stars reminds you of her. Then sickens you. Or maybe you can only get off with the older ladies, cause you might be into the 'naughty aunt' kind of thing. Who knows.
All I know is when I went through all my 2257 IDs again , I stared at some of the birthdays. Now it's not a big deal now, but when some of the girls were shot, they were 18. Hell, a couple of them had only been 18 for a month. But now looking at some of the girls, they're 21-22. And not in the business anymore.
Thank goodness for barely legal teens, 25 yr old porn veterens and milfs who volunteer to enter this rollercoaster of business known as porn. ALL ARE LEGAL ADULTS who are able to enter the adult biz of their own free will.
I salute you all (with my pants off)
Note: In 2008 (3 years from now) there will be a new crop of 18 yr olds entering the adult business, that were born in 1990. Hell, the class of 2023 porn starlets were possibly born today. Now there's a thought.
Hasn't it pretty much always been this way? For a decade at least, just because people only remember Serenity and Janina and Jenna from the early 90's doesn't mean that studios like Fat Dog and so on weren't cranking out as much stuff as they could with non-name brand performers as they could. Remember Traci Lords? And didn't Jenna start at 18 or 19?
What's changed is the more specific fetishisation of 18 year olds (though that was always happening anyway) and probably your (sh_rock) own realisation that the current crop of 18 year old girls were 8 or 10 or 13 or what-have-you depending on your current age, when you started watching (legitimately) at 18 or so.
So at 18 your little girl is mature enough to risk everyones life - including her own - driving a car (at 16 some places too), but she can't decide whether she wants to work in porn or not? Is it the topic that causes this overprotection? You'll let your daughter out on the deadly highways at age 16, but for heavens sake don't let her do porn!
But don't worry, it'll probably come to 21 - in america resting comfortably on its anti-freedom moral grounds.
I personally don't have a problem with it. It kind of turns me on a little bit. As long as they're eighteen, and consenting, I don't a problem whatsoever.
I think pushing the limit up to 21 is ridiculous. I can't understand why America does this. As I understand it (I'm an Englishman), America has its legal drinking limit at 21. It completely baffles me.
I don't quite understand how someone can be responsible and mature enough to do porn, vote for our political leaders, or fight a war at age 18, but not responsible enough to drink a beer until age 21. That is an issue for another topic, but it would be better to not get me started.
we the people in order to form a more perfect union... 518 Posts 12/03
Posted - Jun 19 2005 : 8:21AM
to answer your question tiana my current signature and my previous one "we the people..." has to do with my member name. these two and any future signatures that i use will be based on the "schoolhouse rock" cartoons that i loved watching during my childhood.
scipio i saw my first porn movie back in 1985. i was legal then. and yeah this does make me feel aged.
and you're right scipio. i guess it is the new fascination with the subject (and my age) that made me take that long pause.
It's those inherently repressive properties of the Victorian/Puritan shadow that still looms over and holds sway in this country's general approach to sexuality. Naturally all of that repression manifests in a culture's pornography.
I could agree with the idea of raising the age to 21, but it seems very hypocritical(especially compared with driving, military service, etc) and most 18 yr old girls who venture into pornland surely must be socially/sexually aware enough to know what they're choosing to do, and that it's going to be filmed for anyone to watch. They either choose to do it for the $, or for perverse kicks and some $.
Tricky issue. Both sides have good arguments. I'll just say that I'd have no problem seeing the minimum age raised to 21, but I don't see it happening so I don't worry about it.
Porn Too Young?-
Historically, porn has always been predicated on new girls. That's just the manner of the business. Today's star is destined to be replaced by tomorrow's. The superstars are the ones who manage to put off that tomorrow longer than their contemporaries do. However, when porn was a feature-based business there used to be a much better cross-section of ages, perhaps because you simply always had to have girls like Kay Parker and Honey Wilder around to play the obligatory older woman roles, which they did exceptionally. It seems films would often have the young girl acting as if she were experiencing sex for the first time in addition to the older one who knew exactly what she was doing, sometimes breaking in a younger guy (Tom Byron early in his career). This cross-section is not necessarily true anymore.
Do I think porn is too young? No. I was only born in 1982, and I am kind of weirded out to think that girls born in 1987 are getting into porn. Hell, I have two female cousins that were born in 1987, just graduated, and one of them is the exact kind of girl that a porn agent would target. That said, I don't see anything wrong with girls born in that year doing porn. I agree with Melissa in the sense that the manner in which these girls are being directed to dress and act is troubling.
Girls this age doing porn is not the problem though. For me, the real problem is the entire industry's overwhelming focus on new talent, which is at a ridiculous level at the moment. Sure, it's always been like this. Has it always been this bad though?
18 is not ideal put there is no ideal. If the minimum age was 21 people would moan that it should be 25. So let's leave well alone and the enojoy all those lovely teens. Besides, what would the girls do instead of porn, stay home andd play with their dolls?, work in Mcdonalds til their 21?, become hookers (would that be ok?)?
Because the people between 18 & 20 are aren't organized enough to get together and make a solid stand on this issue. What makes that even more difficult for them is that even if they do make a stand, if they lose the first time, by the time that the next big election comes around, they are 21 by then and no longer care.
I hate hearing anyone say that an 18 year old isn't mature enough to play basketball in the NBA, do porn movies, drink beer, etc. We have 18 year olds in Iraq right now that are in charge of missile launchers and smart bombs. They make decisions that result in life or death for themselves, their colleagues, their enemies, and bystanders. If our society believes 18 year olds are old enough to handle these situations, there aren't any other situations that they can't handle. What's a bigger decision, whether or not to fire your rocket launcher, or whether or not to have sex in front of a video camera?
Another thing, personally I'd prefer to see these barely legal girls having sex with guys that are a little closer to their age. I mean, you could reasonably have an 18 yr old girl having sex with a 25 year old man. It's creepy when they are having sex with a 45 yr old man that's bald.
im assuming that americans can do porn, join the military & other "adult" things & not be able to drink until 21 because with drinking, more often than not, it is unsupervised. yes i know that doing porn & shooting people being supervised is debateable but in a general way it works.
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Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 8:46AM
Somehow this thread makes me feel like every girl has to start a porn career as soon as she turns 18. Now that would be bad. I think if you want to avoid the problems that might arise when a girl starts doing porn at the age of 18, you'd have to stop doing porn altogether. I can't imagine what problems an 18 year old girl could face that a 25 year old couldn't. There will always be those who wish they never did porn. That's sad but it will happen again no matter at what age they start, that's as sure as girls are female.
Telling what I think about dressing girls up like schoolgirls is always a tightrope walk. Maybe some of you will hate me afterwards but what is affection based on nescience, anyway? As far as I know human beings are the only creatures that don't necessarily have sex as soon as they're fertile. I know laws to protect children are necessary but I wouldn't call someone who feels attracted by a 14 year old girl a pervert as long as it doesn't lead to action. Nature puts the full load of attractiveness to the other sex into every creature as soon as it is fertile. So I don't feel ashamed for my schoolgirl fetish, and I know very well that it must never lead to action. Girls of legal age dressed up like schoolgirls can be a valve to let out and calm down pent-up desires. I think it's the same thing with these movies as with violence in mainstream movies: It's up to those who watch them to distinguish between fiction and reality. I think people who are unable to do that are dangerous no matter whether they watch such movies or not. By the way, my fantasies are not boundless, either. I couldn't watch a Kitty scene and feel comfortable. She looks way too young for me. But don't ever try to make me feel uncomfortable enjoying Gauge. I won't let it happen.
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Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again
Europe 696 Posts 6/04
Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 6:13PM
Exactly. Lets rise the minimum age to 25 or 29 or 34. Finally lets abolish porn at all. Than we dont have to discuss the same issues over and over again.
Same with age difference. Same with school uniforms. The latter I dont get at all, they make me loose wood instantly, but they turn on another one. Me, I have no problem with that. But we could save a lot of time, if porn was just not there. And more than one ADT-talker would finally feel like a winner - especially the ones claiming not to be against porn in every second post.
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Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 6:32PM
I'm thankful for porn, cuz public mens rooms are much nicer now without all the "straight" cum addicts stalking around hassling people. I think they get their fix directly from Red Light District.
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