Is porn getting harder all the time?

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Sybarite2006 Member 35 Posts 5/15	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 3:58AM Nowadays, at least in Europe, DP and DAP and now even TAP is being done more and more I wonder if TAP is even so erotic for the girls/guys doing it. One dick in each hole makes perfect sense but TAP or DAP? It looks exciting as a voyeur but its probably not something most people would really enjoy! When will this trend stop? Do you think we will soon have a QAP (Quadruple Anal Penetration)...until one day a girl's asshole ruptures? I suppose DP and DAP at the same time? (Or has that been done already?) Porn is definitely getting harder and harder...I'm not a historian of porn but it would be interesting to know which mainstream porn first featured a DP and a DAP? The first gape? Gape fart? Piss is now almost mainstream (at least in Europe) - i even saw one softcore movie by Tinto Brass in which the main actress pees). Will dirty ATM and then scat become normal in 5 years? And a Dutch non-porn film in which the main actress pees and we see it close up...(the movie is excellent btw and called Hemel) Any comments? [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 7:04AM ^ I think porn that causes physical injury is the limit to how far legal porn can go. Because this isn't something any civilized society will tolerate. [Link]
JigglyBoobs Senior Member 1614 Posts 3/12	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 8:54AM ^ Where do you draw the line with "physical injury"? In some BDSM porn women have visible welts and bruises from being whipped, both of which are forms of physical trauma. Are you talking about physical injury that can have life changing consequences? [Link]
Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 9:13AM Honestly, however hard the performing woman wants to go is how hard it will be. Look at Maddy o'reilly. She likes watersports scenes and gangbangs and such, compare that to Phoenix Marie who won't do DAP and gangbangs and stuff, but is willing to do a TS scene. IMO its all about what the performer wants and the studio is willing to do. American obscenity laws also come into play as well. ----Dread's Twitter---- [Link]
Mr Hardcore Member 42 Posts 6/15	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 12:12PM Why should it stop? If you don't like it watch something else.. and as for quad penetration that's already been done years ago. [Link]

Ovidius Member 94 Posts 10/04	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 12:25PM Porn is about fantasies, the viewers fantasies that is. It is also an industry all about delivering those fantasies to the consumer. Porn will get more "extreme", at least as views from the individual viewpoint, as it is more and more digitalized and thus individualized. It is my belief that the broader market focus porn has, the less "extreme" and more vanilla it will be. As pornography is individualized and adapted to specific consumers personal quirks and preferences, that would otherwise have alienated more consumers than they would have attracted, will be given more room. Thus the end product will become more extreme. I believe that the end of pornography is the one-on-one encounter where the consumer is producing and directing his own product over the Internet, in particular with actors from 3rd world countries, and where that happens today we can see some pretty terrible things happening. That way the consumer can get exactly what he or she desires. Not necessary a good thing, far from it, but that is the internal logic of the market and the technology, [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 12:32PM Meanwhile, US porn is most certainly not "getting harder all the time." The opposite is true, which is a big reason why LP is so popular. Edited by - misspornUSA on 12/19/2015 12:32:26 PM [Link]
Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 12:35PM I don't think porn is getting harder(in the US at least). In Europe it operates at a certain extreme level. The US model has gone in a different direction. If the US model built on the extremities of 2003/4 then perhaps it would be at Euro levels right now. However, we have seen divergence with things like the rise of the soft/hardcore as well as the video on demand sites over DVDs which only get so extreme in the end. If you look at Anikka Albrite and compare her POTY route to Lauren Phoenix, Lauren probably did rougher stuff as she came from the height of the DVD epoch. I don't see evidence that US porn at least is going in extreme directions as opposed to multiple interest directions. You will probably see more Lansky/Mason type models of porn as opposed to, say, Adriano porn or the legalporno model(though that will have its place to). Extreme porn has pretty much topped out. Like I said, POTYs today don't have to do what Lauren Phoenix, Audrey Hollander, Hillary Scott or Sasha Grey did a decade ago. Those were extreme performances. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 1:26PM If that question had been asked a couple of years ago than my answer would have been yes but now the answer is not necessarily that anymore. The resurgence of a more gentle type of porn like X-Art, Blacked, Tushy and a slew of others produces makes me think that we are finally moving away from the more extreme type of porn that was making me uncomfortable. This appears to be a little different in Europe but I think that is largely because Legal Porno skews the numbers. Their brand is so extreme that it sort of over-shadows the far more moderate sites like 21sextury, DDF network, Teen Mega World, and a ton of other sites. I'll pick a more glamcore type of site any day over an extreme gonzo one. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 1:38PM This comment from another thread provides some relevant perspective: Canadian_Cindy wrote: From 2000 to 2007 there were more DP's and DAP's shot than in any era in porn. You would be hard pressed to find more than a small percentage of US titles from the busy companies that were pumping out 10+ titles a month, that didn't have at least basic anal sex in them somewhere in the DVD. Double Anal is being made in American porn today, but it is no way even close to the volume of that time frame of 00 - 07. Do you read the DAP thread? It is an ongoing thread of new scenes and 95%+ of the posts this year are Legal Porno. The US companies make far less DAP porn than in the past. In part because it is just too expensive in relation to what a producer can hope to make in legitimate sales. Piracy was a big deal back then too, but no where near what it is today. Girls who want to do double anal shoots today in the USA maybe are only getting a couple of them in an entire year; there are only a few exceptions to that. Back in that 2000 - 2007 era the girls could, if they wanted to, get as many double anal scenes as they wanted, no problem. Just ask Sandra Romain, or Audrey Hollander, or Jayna Oso , or Bridgette Kerkove, or Kelly Wells.... for example. Think of what Legal Porno is doing now. Back then you had at least a half a dozen companies pumping out 10+ double anal scenes a month throughout their various lines. Click to expand [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 1:38PM ^^I'd rather there be more diversity. [Link]
Ronald Deactivated User 544 Posts 5/05	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 4:48PM hardly any DP, DVP or DAP this past year in US porn, Ive spent less money on porn this year [Link]
StarGrek Deactivated User Under the moonlight. 1763 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 8:18PM Sybarite2006 wrote: Nowadays, at least in Europe, DP and DAP and now even TAP is being done more and more I wonder if TAP is even so erotic for the girls/guys doing it. One dick in each hole makes perfect sense but TAP or DAP? It looks exciting as a voyeur but its probably not something most people would really enjoy! When will this trend stop? Do you think we will soon have a QAP (Quadruple Anal Penetration)...until one day a girl's asshole ruptures? I suppose DP and DAP at the same time? (Or has that been done already?) Porn is definitely getting harder and harder...I'm not a historian of porn but it would be interesting to know which mainstream porn first featured a DP and a DAP? The first gape? Gape fart? Piss is now almost mainstream (at least in Europe) - i even saw one softcore movie by Tinto Brass in which the main actress pees). Will dirty ATM and then scat become normal in 5 years? And a Dutch non-porn film in which the main actress pees and we see it close up...(the movie is excellent btw and called Hemel) Any comments? Click to expand Hmm now thats an interesting question... Where is the limit of the pornographic extremeness. As you rightfully claim one in each hole makes perfect sense . I couldn't agree more! A normal DP might seem extreme and uncommon, but can be beautiful, erotic and most importantly if it is executed right can become really pleasureful for the girl. (BTW if a girl would like to try it, I would advise her NOT to copy the process most porn scenes portray today. The real life application is a lot different). It has the sense of sexual completeness. The girl has both of her lower holes served and not only one. Both guys are inside her, even cooperating together but each guy is focused in his own "mission", in his own "territory". Plus neglecting a woman's vagina in a scene, the only thing that differentiates her from a man and probably, for the majority of them, the only zone that might give them orgasm, is an erotic crime, especially when there are more than one men in the scene. That is the main reason why I prefer this normal, one in each hole DP version a lot more than others. Now, I understand why some adult viewers like to see more extreme DPs, like DA, TPs, TAs etc.. it is all for the sake of impression and the actresses do them for the sake of the show. The viewers like to draw a female performer to her limits and even further. They like to "see" her tighter hole stretched to new dimensions. In some cases certain DAs, even TPs can impress me too as long as they are visually discrete but there are others which are not efficient visually or mechanically. TA is impossible to watch, plus it is mechanically improbable (the third dick is actually rubbing against the other two). From all these many in one hole penetrations, Double Vaginal is more feasible in reality. Unless the dicks are too fat to cause her discomfort, most women in general could perform it without any problem. Some they might even like it. That is why in amateur porn this is very often portrayed. Now about history... as far as DP and DV their porn history goes way back to 70s. Although, Georgina Spelvin in "Devil in Miss Jones" is officially considered the first DP on screen, I can assure you there were many amateur films and photos which were depicting this act from earlier years. (Check"PeepShow Loops" if you want to see more DPs from that era. Some of the DPs are very hot). About DV I dont know its first appearance but I guess it was around the same period. They claim that the first heterosexual DAP was Brittany Striker In "Backdoor to Hollywood" which appeared sometime in the mid-80's but that is not correct. I have seen a DA portrayed on a German film that was shot long before that, when I find the title I will post it. I think the first TP (DV + A) was performed by Chessie More in "Butts Motel 5", although it is a bit difficult to discrete. The first TP (DA + V) was committed by Annabel Chong. (One note to see that the extremeness microbe was existed there too. There are only 2 TP (DV + A) committed in reverse cowgirl in adult history. Annabel Chong did the first one around that period. The second one is performed THIS year, during one of those Kink Gang Bangs. I dont remember the actress) I could inform you that back in 90s DPs, was a lot more common in feature films in Europe than they are today or even years ago. Almost every Italian title contained at least one (many even two or more). Germans also followed closely with more... depraved titles. Although many of them could easily compete even modern scenes, the overwhelming majority of them was committed in almost similar way. In US, Zane and T.Bone around the same period, started to produce Double Penetration Gonzo films of every kind (DP, DV, DA even TPs), in massive numbers. Pierre Woodman and Sasha Alexander were game changers. The first one introduced Eastern Europe beauty and nastiness to the DP game through Private and the latter one added some quality in the photo-mechanics of the certain act in American Porn Valley. Many other directors and companies add their own signature in DP history through the years. Christoph Clarck. Rocco Shifreddi, Jean Yves Lecastel, Herves Bodilis, Justin Slayer, Mike John, Gazzman and of course Jules Jordan. I am sure I forget others ... The Golden Age of DP was though as PornGirl stated in 2000-2007, not only concerning quantity but also concerning quality. The directors back then knew a lot more about DPs than they do many of the modern ones today. However the scenic started to change recently. Meanwhile... Explore Sexuality! Edited by - StarGrek on 12/19/2015 8:21:05 PM [Link]
StarGrek Deactivated User Under the moonlight. 1763 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 19 2015 : 9:54PM Now I love personally DPs for many reasons, but there is a big danger in the pornographic horizon. The history of porn showed that the adult audience do not react nicely to repetitive porn even if this contains extra hardcore theme. That is why many adult companies which were specialized in extreme hardcore scenes closed or changed themes. Zane, Heatwave, Anabolic-Diabolic, Red Light District, Platinum X etc etc... Of course the cost of DP act itself and the appearance of tubes and pirated links completed their downfall of these companies. However, the worst enemy of porn companies is not piracy, but Boredom. In one way or another the companies should rejuvenate adult public's attention. It is not a matter of quantity but quality. Besides models, the image quality as well as the photo-mechanics should impress the viewer (beuatiness, proper view, decent mutual motion) and not get him bored. LegalPorno invested a lot in quality that is why they are where they are. However there is one more key factor that is missing from them. Eroticism. Is not about vanilla or soft porn. It is about performance, chemistry, creativity, intimacy, passion. People will eventually get bored to see sterile double penetrations and routine like scenes. They will need something more and the companies should provide them, otherwise they gonna make amateur and 70's DP scenes look a lot hotter than the current ones. So, there is a limit in hardness. Plus consider that when there is action there is always reaction. People that got bored from the usual porn style and they want an alternative that is why Kink, Greg Lansky and even lesbian porn arose and starts to rise up gradually again. We will see... Meanwhile... Explore Sexuality! Edited by - StarGrek on 12/19/2015 9:56:32 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 20 2015 : 3:33AM I agree with the posters who have argued that in the last number of years, really around 2010 and perhaps earlier, rough porn in the USA at least has become less not more common. It could have something to do with the prosecutions of Rob Black, Max Hardcore and Evil Angel but I think the change in direction was already happening before that. What I think happened was the tremendous success of Elegant Angel's William H and Mason/Sam No showcases, plus the growth of big butt and g/g (even TS) made producers realize they didn't have to pursue more extreme circus acts to move substanial units. In fact, straight up well shot fucking could be even more popular. That may be wishful thinking but I think the showcase model certainly took off for a reason. Edited by - BlackSix on 12/20/2015 3:36:31 AM [Link]

JigglyBoobs Senior Member 1614 Posts 3/12	Posted - Dec 20 2015 : 5:16AM misspornUSA wrote: ^^I'd rather there be more diversity. Click to expand Agreed. Personally, I'd get bored with the same genre of porn as it would feel formulaic and repetitive. Variety is what keeps porn exciting for me. [Link]
shhpuppy Member 63 Posts 1/12	Posted - Dec 20 2015 : 9:37PM This tear's been way harder than any i can remember on the European side especially. Also with more normalizing of extreme acts like pee (especially on LP). [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Dec 21 2015 : 7:24AM JigglyBoobs wrote: ^ Where do you draw the line with "physical injury"? In some BDSM porn women have visible welts and bruises from being whipped, both of which are forms of physical trauma. Are you talking about physical injury that can have life changing consequences? Click to expand There is always a grey area on both sides of any line. Cases that fall into this grey area are indeterminate one way or the other. Which means that if it happens occasionally, by accident, then most societies will probably tolerate this. But if it happens too often and by design, rather than by accident, then most societies will probably make the rules more strict. [Link]
Sybarite2006 Member 35 Posts 5/15	Posted - Jan 1 2016 : 6:10PM Some interesting replies. Since my own familiarity is mostly with European porn i was referring to it in my original post. I do agree that artistic hardcore like X Art is also very erotic and i like the pro-am series like Jacqui et Michel too as well as glamorous productions like Marc Dorcel...and of course Rocco's gonzo style. Woodman has cornered the market in castings and that is unique and very erotic. I guess what made me make the thread was seeing LP videos....never seen anything like it! But i think it is having a knock on effect because other competitors are also having to go harder to compete...hence Woodman has pissing in mouth scenes in many of his castings (even though he generally doesn't show the moment of the actual piss going into the mouth). Even scat scenes or at least scenes of girls with assholes covered in shit or a bit of shit dribbling out and dirty ATM are quite common now in some Woodman castings... -- I also love the growth of amateur porn filmed by professional companies of ordinary girls (party hardcore, dancing bears). [Link]
Sybarite2006 Member 35 Posts 5/15	Posted - Jan 1 2016 : 6:12PM StarGek Thanks for the excellent post! [Link]
Electric_Logan Member 384 Posts 6/11	Posted - Jun 20 2016 : 12:19PM Dread wrote: Honestly, however hard the performing woman wants to go is how hard it will be. Look at Maddy o'reilly. She likes watersports Click to expand HUH? I had no idea. I googled it and there she is drinking piss. Well I'm a perv and am a very dirty minded porn fan so I like seeing gorgeous women getting urinated on and in.. so that's awesome. Had no idea. I will look forward to watching that so much. [Link]
Electric_Logan Member 384 Posts 6/11	Posted - Jun 20 2016 : 12:43PM Okay a lot of people seem to be perpetuating the theory that porn is not getting rougher, and that it was rougher from '00 to '07. I say it depends on each individuals perception of what is rougher.. I mean I thought it was, but perhaps rougher IS DP, DAP, TAP and all that shit. So rougher is not what I'm thinking about really, I think for me the key word would be naughtier, dirtier or nastier. I like naughty, nasty, dirty.. I don't really like rough. Like rough fucking, and any kind of DP is a boner kill for me, because it is impossible to get a good view of the beautiful woman being so naughty, nasty, dirty when there is DP or higher. What I really love is gaping (both traditional and the recently prominent "push out" baloon knot kinda' gaping, made aware to me by Adriano.. probably not the first to do it but I feel comfortable to call him a pioneer), dirty talk, gape farting, anal creampie, piss gargling and drinking, piss in ass.. so yeah I like pretty nasty, dirty, naughty. Actually while I like the push out gaping I hate prolapse I think that is horrendously disgusting.. there is a fine line. Anyway, in terms of the nasty, dirty, naughty stuff I like, much to my joy, it is booming. Anal creampies appear much more rare than in the noughties to me.. but everything else is booming. Actually my favourite thing is gape farting, psychology mega gets me off in porn and the complex psychological principal of a gorgeous, glamorous woman spreading her ass cheeks and intentionally gaping/farting.. gape farting into the camera.. it's amazing to me, that so many such women can be so dirty and nasty. And y'know, before it was Eurobabes, who too often seem void of personality, charisma, joy.. while American babes seem to be enjoying themselves to much while doing all this nasty stuff.. which is much hotter to see. Well now loads of Americans are doing it, so that's great. I am actually intent on finding someone to do it with in real life, I'm that into it. EDIT - I just saw you said "harder" not "rougher". Ah well, I think they are similar words with similar implications. Edited by - Electric_Logan on 6/20/2016 1:56:16 PM [Link]
Whyspers2Scorpio Senior Member "Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17	Posted - Jan 3 2018 : 1:34AM I don't know that I would say it is getting harder but I would say that relentless innovation and engaging fans on a psychological level is becoming more important. Yes you can have lots of advanced sexual mechanics with all sorts of penetrations and every kind of bodily fluid from piss to blood but for me, the older I get - I'm less into the gonzo material and more a fan of seduction/foreplay which arguably does more for me than often the act of sex does. Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries [Link]
jks1 Member A round ass and big natural tits on a small frame are pretty hard to beat 103 Posts 9/17	Posted - Jan 3 2018 : 11:17PM Just looking at evilangel video releases on their site and almost every new and upcoming release has 'anal' in the title, personally I find this repetitive, formulaic, completely unimaginative and boring beyond belief Certainly gagging, rough sex and at least 'acted' abuse seems to becoming more common throughout porn so I think the op has a point [Link]