I remember several threads in the past that discussed this same topic. The bottom line always seems to be that it's NOT prostitution in the eyes of California law...but most fans still consider porn girls prostitutes because they get paid for sex.
Well who is doing the paying? The studios are, the actors and actresses aren't paying each other to have sex with one another. Prostitution is one party paying the other for sexual favors, not a production company compensating both actors to fuck on camera.
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:20PM
How about this scenario? I'm wining and dining a prospective business interest. After dinner, I put him in a limousine that contains two beautiful women and tell them to show him a good time. They've been paid, but no money has passed hands in front of this guy, and he's shown the time of his life. But the women have been paid. Are they prostitutes? I paid, but didn't fuck them. He got laid, but didn't pay them. God bless California for their unique interpretation, but it shouldn't be illegal anywhere, anyhow.
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:41PM
The situation though becomes a bit more muddled when one is talking about POV scenes.
Elaborate a little more amigo... mod: quote removed - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 8/13/2007 8:08:26 PM
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:52PM
It's things like this that make you stand up, salute, and say, "God Bless America!"
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 10:57PM
maybe some of the feature stuff isn't since it is lite sex, and their is more acting, but if you are blowing 11 guys and they cum on your face you are a whore, no offense
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 11:04PM
Well in a conventional scene you're talking about a crew on a set filming a scene with everyone being paid by a production company, but with a POV it might be just one guy, a girl, and a camera. So the line between a conventional scene being filmed and something else entirely becomes a bit blurred. mod: snipped nested quote Edited by - hardware on 8/13/2007 8:09:27 PM
I spent a few days in Florida with a guy who paid me very well to take a few shoots of him and me, but those scenes are for his private collection. Seems to be the perfect run around the law. lol
what about porn dudes. Men can be pros too cant they? but I couldnt say it any clearer. When remuneration(money) is exchanged for sexual activity it is prostitution. Camera present or not. Take for example the days of the Old West where you had the mining town and the local bawdy house(bordello). You've seen these in the movies. In the Old West they at least knew what they were and didn't mince words. In today's world we get bogged down in semantics. Is it the word prostitute? In the old days they even had bordello in the middle of a respectable neighborhood because the girls acted like ladies when they went out in public ilrespect of what they did in that house. William Faulkner wrote about this in a book. They seemed to have figured it out 100+ years ago about what prostitution was and it's place in society and people walked around with their heads(no pun intended) held high.
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Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 12:27PM
Ahh, but what if one of the performers has an ownership stake in the studio? Admittedly this never has and probably never will be filed in my mind under the category of great philosophical debates or topics with the most influence on society. In theory this could allow a case to be made but not without making mountains out of molehills.
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Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 2:27PM
I wasn't be ironic. I was just saying it's things like this topic that make this country great. Nowhere else in the world can a girl take 50 loads of cum to the face and be protected under the guise of "Freedom of Speech."
^Yeah. Real great country where you actually need a defense for having sex. I dunno. I'm sure it's probably worse in other countries but most of them don't toot their horns about freedom the way the US has. Edited by - randomprecision on 8/13/2007 3:47:39 PM
Actually there are countries where she doesn't need to be "protected" under anything as it is perfectly legal just as it is to just pay for sex, be a porn movie or an average individual. In this area the US is actually very behind and not the model of freedom that they say they are. Edited by - P3-2A on 8/13/2007 5:15:28 PM
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Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 7:08PM
There are also countries where her family would stone her to death to retain their honor.
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Posted - Aug 13 2007 : 8:14PM
is porn prostitution? you're listening to too much glenn beck. shut off the glenn beck show. dont listen to that miserable prick!!!!
So that makes it OK. Because we're not quite as bad as they are (yet). How does that work? Just pointing to someone else and saying "But look what they do" isn't doing any good in your own neck of the woods. I'm not really worried about that because that's there and I live here. I worry about getting stung by the bees in my own back yard before I worry about people getting stung in the desert somewhere. Edited by - randomprecision on 8/14/2007 6:30:03 AM
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 10:28AM
Nobody was comparing the situation to countries with legalized prostitution or lasse faire regulations regarding porn before you either. The original question was one that could be answered with a pretty straightforward yes or no answer Edited by - the unknown pervert on 8/14/2007 10:30:50 AM
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 10:54AM
Of course it is. Women sell their bodies to strangers. Morally, there's no difference between a pornstar and an prostitute, altough we all know there is one...
yeah, that harks from the Bible. Wasn't Mary Magdalene stoned to death?
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 11:30AM
well being paid for sex acts is prostitution whether its filmed or not. But no one should be told what they can do with their bodies whether it be sex, abortion, etc. So its a tricky subject.
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 5:14PM
Technically, it is prostitution, money being exchanged for sex, regardless of who is paying and receiving the sex. Legally, it's another story.
Why do you only mention the women? The male porn stars are also selling their bodies to strangers. The focus is always about women being whores but in fact the male performers have more different partners than the female have. And to the question in this thread: I don't think porn is the same as prostitution. Prostitution is 1 person having sex with another person for money. While porn is about sexually satisfying a 3rd person, the viewer. But off course the jobs are related and some porn stars are also doing escort in addition to doing porn. Edited by - lange on 8/14/2007 6:07:33 PM
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Posted - Aug 14 2007 : 6:24PM
Prostitution is paying for sex. Porn is paying for the portrayal of a sexual relationship.
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Bullcrap. Random Precision had already touched on the subject and my whole response was to the statement of "Nowhere else in the world can a girl take 50 loads of cum to the face and be protected under the guise of "Freedom of Speech." which isn't true and the US is behind in that aspect. RP had a similiar point to what I believe. I think Porn is equal to prostitution but it shouldn't matter because both should be legal.
My thoughts exactly Lange. Prostitution applies to both male and female.
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Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 11:03AM
Let me make sure I have this straight. Your point that that U.S. is lacking in comparison to certain countries in the world is relevant to the topic but my point that certain countries in the world are lacking in comparison to the U.S. is completely irrelevant. You have a promising career ahead of you writing material for Keith Olberman, Michael Moore, and Rosie O'Donnell.
conquistador you're nearly saying the same thing twice. In the second sentence the female or male actor is being "paid" to have sex before the camera. Pay is the magic word. That performer is getting paid(money, not a pearl necklace or a bar of gold) to perform the sexual act. It's irrelevant the Producer, him or herself, is just dolting out cash for a scene(say the guy at Vivid, can't remember his name) or is dolting out cash and fucking the performer as well ala Rodney Moore or Jules Jordan. that's why most stars come from the strip club or escort environments cause the pay-reasons are the same. Many of the stars return to the stripping & escorting(gosh that's another sanitized name for prostitution) worlds after leaving porn.
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Posted - Aug 15 2007 : 11:19AM
The two aren't are off by much. But being paid to have sex as yourself and being paid to portray a character in an adult sexual relationship on film have been viewed differently in the eyes of the law.
the two aren't off at all. Like I said money is exchanged for the sex. Now getting into what the so called 'Law' is is a whole nother matter especially local laws amongst the 50 US states(Im not getting into other countries). If the law had it's way, being infested with a lot of uptight jacklegged religious hypocrits, sex would be outlawed let alone prostitution. All of the states have or have had strident laws regarding SEX(even between married people) and PROSTITUTION at one time or another. It didn't stop people from having sex or prostitution taking place. To make a long story short and to further get to my point, ..laws that are put on paper are sometimes impossible to enforce in reality let alone define. So I still stand by my original point of the correlation of porn-to-prostitution and the very very fine line between them ilregard of local laws.
Please, the example you picked out was the most medieval and extreme of all. As if going "well at least the US isn't stoning people to death, everything is ok." You just got pissed at the criticism, which wasn't even a singling out but just to counter the whole "only place in the world with the freedom to do this " as if they are a leader at an area where they not only aren't the only ones but aren't even the leaders in allowing less restrictions.
An example from the political realm: how about if you reward your "girlfriend" with a high paying job? This came from a political blog this morning concerning Guiliani and his former Press Secretary/GF. After the affair ended she was rewarded with a $150K/yr job heading the NYC's tourism bureau. Another form of prostitution? Link to blog HERE.
Perhaps 'prostitution' is a legal word that artificially separates acceptable and unacceptable compensation for sex acts. Women usually choose men who have more money than they do for dating, sex, common-law relationships, and marriage. And quite often even the divorce courts give these women large monetary awards without any determination whether these women have done anything to earn the money besides having sex with the guy. Perhaps courts justify awarding monetary compensation for these women by reasoning that a guy who is sexually satisfied and happy is a guy who works harder and earns more money. And if it wasn't for the lady having sex with him, then perhaps he wouldn't have all that money. She contributed to earning some of that money by having sex with the guy and keeping him happy. Guys do have to pay women for sexual relationships even according to law. Except that this law accepts only some such relationships as legitimate and worthy of monetary compensation. But porn action probably is not considered prostitution because it's not the stud who pays the lady. It's the film director or the porn company manager who pays.
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Posted - Aug 12 2007 : 6:04PM
Elaborate a little more amigo...
conquistador you're nearly saying the same thing twice. In the second sentence the female or male actor is being "paid" to have sex before the camera. Pay is the magic word. That performer is getting paid(money, not a pearl necklace or a bar of gold) to perform the sexual act. It's irrelevant the Producer, him or herself, is just dolting out cash for a scene(say the guy at Vivid, can't remember his name) or is dolting out cash and fucking the performer as well ala Rodney Moore or Jules Jordan. that's why most stars come from the strip club or escort environments cause the pay-reasons are the same. Many of the stars return to the stripping & escorting(gosh that's another sanitized name for prostitution) worlds after leaving porn.