Just watched Stormy Daniels and she gives just a nice normal bj, plenty of hand action, double fisting etc. But is this now a rareity? Whilst I dont mind spitting or gagging or what not on occasion, what ever happend to just a normal bj? Maybe its just me and its not as popular as the rougher bj which almost seems to be a new genre with certain companies.
I heard an audio interview with Ginger Lynn where she said that often got complaints in recent days when giving head. One guy told HER she was doing it the wrong way because she was more old school in her way of giving head. She said she focused very much on giving him a more romantic blowjob and the guy was so used to getting blown the other way that he had the nerve to complain to her also which is ridiculos, I mean its Ginger Lynn!!!I think you are on a point here. A lot of blowjobs today are just boring and I really hate gagging. Edited by - jaktarn on 10/29/2009 5:43:59 PM
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 11:57AM
"A lot of blowjobs today are just boring and I really hate gagging" Hear hear!
Im glad Im not the only one who thinks this, as said previously gagging and rough stuff is ok now and then but whats actually wrong with tease and sensitivity???
You got me, because I don't understand it at all. What's the porn world come to when porn guys complain about the way Ginger Lynn gives head. My guess is that gagging and forcing thing is pretty much standard issue now. I honestly can't recall the last time I saw any recent films without it. If you can find a girl who actually gives "regular" ones, might wanna check out more of her films. Ginger Lynn sounds like a good bet based on that interview. I don't always like her sex scenes, but Brook Banner seems to give normal bj's, and in a hot way too. Most of the time I just simply ff them now.
I've been saying it in annoying, long-winded ways for a while. More simply put, if you put on an old porn tape you see the difference. More of a natural zest for the erotica they were performing. Now the new culture that's taken over only has a zest for proving how much cock they can take in a more industrialized way.
Yeah maybe it's a generational thing which only the old geezers care about. So does that mean the college-age girls today are getting violently "skullfucked" and "throatfucked" and think that's OK and normal? And the college-age guys today will be bored with a sensual BJ? I guess youth isn't all it's cracked up to be. Edited by - ninja1 on 10/30/2009 5:41:22 PM
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 10:24PM
Some directors and performers seem to think that, for lack of a better expression, skull fucking a girl makes for a good BJ. As Ginger Lynn has been mentioned earlier in the thread - there's a woman who knows how to a give a blowjob and it looks hot. That's very much the way of porn these days though, erotic/sensual porn is rare these days.
Yeah, its been dead. A long, long time. Dead and buried. Its one reason I like Jenna Haze's bj style. She really doesn't get to hardcore with it and she has great hand to mouth technique. Her hand to mouth ratio is amazing, but that's neither here nor there. Yes, the sensual bj is dead. But hopefully some girls can bring it back every now and then. Instead of trying to ram it down their throats. I hate gagging and face fucking so much. Where's the thumbs down emoticon? *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
Blame it on Inari Vachs Seriously though, eroticism and sensuality of all types is pretty much extinct in B/G porn except in some of the artier films from Michael Ninn and a few other feature flicks.
I prefer the slow, sensual blowjob to END the scene after he's cum, rather than making me impatient at the start of the scene. I'd rather see him getting her wet or some mutual masturbation or 69. But there are few better ways of ending a scene than a girl who knows how to lovingly suck a spent cock. Gagging is stupid, although I don't mind if when the guy is close to cumming he starts getting rougher -- raging hormones making him grab the back of her head to try and force his cock ALL the way in, HARD, and FAST.
This is an interesting topic. One poster mentioned that he can find that the oral makes him impatient, whereas for me the opposite is true. For me, both in my personal life and on film, the oral represents a tease or build-up to the main event when one can be a little bit more agressive or animalistic. A good blow-job should involve the girl teasing the guy's cock, with plenty of eye contact and I love seeing the girls who flick the guy's bell end with their tongue. It's all about building up the tension, whereas many scenes seem to think that they have to be 100 mph from the very start.
To answer the original poster, I don't think so and I certainly hope not. I actually think the gagging and quacking was at its worst a few years ago and that we were starting to get over the hump of this trend. I remember seeing some girls give perfectly good bjs when they started in the business only to start gagging and quacking after a few months or years. I guess that some directors, performers, or fans (who knows) tell them what they think is the "right" way to give a bj in a porno, and then they take that approach from that point forward. Fortunately, there are some directors that get the girls out of "porno mode" when they see this and as a result their DVDs will have relatively little quacking and gagging. There are some viewers that like the gagging and others like myself who do not; if directors and performers try to please both they will please neither. That is why the gagging should be targeted to the niche markets that want to see it and kept out of other scenes. Of course one could argue that this hinders spontaneity but oh well; most of the time, I doubt that the gagging is spontaneous. It is just silly porno theatrics.
I totally agree with this thread! I am a huge fan of the sensual blowjob. There are plenty of slower/non-gagging blowjobs in the Blow me Sandwich series as well as the Headcase series from 3rd Degree Films. (I am a huge fan of both.) Typically if the gagging starts, I will fast forward a little bit to see if it stops. Usually it doesnt. At that point I will just skip it. The other thing along with the gagging.... What is it with the whole..."I'm going to stretch your cheeck out with my cock, and then slap your cheek where the bump is..." Not sure about that one either.
I like Sasha Grey. I think she's a smart ambitious girl who'll redefine the industry in many ways. But, I swear she took the gagging choking blowjob to a whole other level. Consequently, over the last couple of years, every newbie seems to be trying to copy her. Personally, I don't get the draw of seeing another human gagging and choking. But then I'm not a misogynistic pig.
I agree, I love the sensual blowjob. But I must admit the more intense the better. If a girl can give it to me sensually and deeply I'm going to be a huge fan of hers forever and ever.
Gosh, I watched a scene, it was done up for more of an amateurish style website, forget the girl, but she was giving a more slower sensual blowjob, the camera guy tilts the camera upwards, then starts insulting the girl, telling her she's doing a bad job & must give a harder, faster blowjob!!! First I'd be complaining to the douchebag guy who can't stay hard with a hot girl sucking him off. Second I'd make sure for damn sure that part would get edited out of the released scene If I were to ever create porn, I'd stick to my philosophy "Keep it simple, and when in doubt go slower." Unfortunately most porn these days is the exact opposite of what I like... oh well, one man does not make or break a porn company. Edited by - just_me on 11/2/2009 4:01:16 AM
What a great topic! Give me a BJ scene that is sexy, slow and with the woman in control and I'm happy. The skull-fucking scenes that are so mainstream these days are just another example of how intimacy and sensuality is being replaced by degradation and disrespect. I am very happy to see that there are a lot of people here that agree with that. IMHO, these women are/were masters at the sensual and erotic, that is when they are allowed to be themselves... Jessica Drake Barbara Dare Ginger Lynn Amber Lynn Jassie James April Flowers Jenna Haze This is just a small sample of some really great talent. Hey producers - we need to see more productions that feature Slow, Skillful, Erotic and Sensual BJ scenes with the woman in control. You'd sell a million copies!
I like the gagging. Not every girl does it well though. If they don't seem totally into it then it doesn't work so well. The standard I think has been set by Sasha Grey and Amber Rayne. I wonder if I could ever tire of seeing either of those two gag on some cock. Slow and sensual is also fine, but if it's an all blowjob scene I'm going to want to see more than that.
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If that douche bag wants a hard blowjob so bad, he should try robbing a convenience store and get his ass tossed in prison. Of course, then he'd be on the giving rather than receiving end. Then again, that's what he deserves.
Count me in on this- I first got into porn with Seka, Jessie St. James and Ginger Lynn BJs and the lack of good BJs in porn now is amazing. Great tongue work is rare and the gagging and skullfucking seems more like a guy slapping a girl than the girl GIVING a guy a BJ.
Count me in as another one who likes the sensuous bj style. To each its own but I don't get much please pleasure out of seeing a girl choke, cough, gagg, tear-up, etc. What really gets me going is the girl who uses tongue and hand action. Particularly moving the tongue around while giving the bj. I think that's really sexy.
Hopefully some directors/ stars take note from this thread (i doubt it tho) Im glad to see alot of people agree and yes.... I dont understand the cheek slapping cock thingy that seems popular at the moment. Rhyse Richards and Dylan Rider both recieve honorable mentions as girls who are not under contract companies who perform gonzo porn and give a sensous bj
I always liked Austin Kincaid's blow jobs. Most of the time it was slow and deep (as deep as she could get anyway) some nice stroking. Not a lot of spitting and gagging from her. She got face fucked a few times but still wasn't that bad as other scenes. ----Dread----
I would much rather film a couple in a scene if it involves a blowjob rather than 2 actors. There seems to be a better interaction and the scenes have a kind of feel to them that you don't get the other way. If I ever advance beyond amateur filming for my clip stores I will still recruit couples over pros any day for a good bj. Thats not to say I don't have hot models in the scenes it just means they have to bring the boyfriend like in our newest blowjob with Alexis Grace. You can tell when theres a connection between the peopke in the scene and I intend to keep it that way. JW JWties Bondage and Fetish
I hate the kind where the girl doesn't know what she's doing, that is she pulls and tugs the cock like it's a big piece of salt water taffy. I've found a few websites and clips that specialize in 'Oral Cumshots' with the kind of finish that's satisfying, a cumshot in the mouth and seepage out down the sides. This is erotic to watch. So many women DO NOT know how to give head. Seriously.
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I maybe swimming against the tide here, but I think bj scenes are way over-blown, no pun intended. I generally FF through them. I think the bj focuses to much on the man's pleasure, and frankly detracts from the female. I can tolerate some fellatio in a scene, but I see all to often that as much half of the performance is given over to it, while frequently showing little or no foreplay with the female. I just got to say it, I think it is gay. Porn is fantasy sure, but my fantasy is that I'm the one driving the female to the wildest orgasm that she has ever had. A hot scene for me is watching the girl squirming as the guy is licking her clit or fingering her. And when she is all hot and sweaty, then I want to see her face as the guy's cock is driven into her cunt. I want to see her arching her back, waiting for a cock to plunge into her her pussy. I could care less about the guy's pleasure. Hey, but that's just me.
Dread you called it!!! Austin Kincaid is where it's at. Looks-wise, she's not top of my list (though her body and boobs are amazing) but her blowjob technique is simply amazing. She never seems like she's in a rush or panicked, which is how I would describe much of the other crap out there these days. She takes her time and it pays off.
The interminable BJ is not foreplay at all. It's like they're going by the clock instead of going my nature. In real life, a girl gives a BJ with the intent of getting her guy nice and hard and ready to fuck, OR gives a BJ to completion. But in porn, the BJ lasts so long the guy hard and soft and hard and limp...you know she's not gonna take him to completion, because that's not in the script. Then when it's time to fuck, he is soft...so she gives him head to try to revive him. What's up with all that? Thank goodness for remote control and FF. Edited by - ninja1 on 11/24/2009 7:06:14 PM
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Posted - Nov 24 2009 : 7:37PM
Except that what you describe does not exist in porn. Not even a little.
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Quite true and well said... I was just thinking about starting a thread called "DEAF DIRECTORS".... I've taken the time to tell these guys a few things, they always ignore me and act arrogant.... That seems pretty dumb to me, I know I've watched more porn than they have lol. This is especially true with fetish porn... you would WANT those with the fetish to tell you what they like to see and then (here's an ironic thought) DO IT. Nope, they ignore, they nod, they smile, and then you hear they went BROKE... hmm, correlation? Perhaps. Anyway, I don't know who came up with this try to kill her with your cock shit... at least orally (it's okay vaginally, harder is better). But blowjobs should indeed be sensual, not violent..... certainly not as the status quo. Mind you, I'm a pretty hard core guy, I won't go into details but let's just say that I push the envelope even further than porno has sometimes :) My point is, I'm pretty far out there, and my main fetish is blowjobs and swallowing... yet, I've never been impressed with this type of shit..... The real problem is that a man should be (mostly) PASSIVE during a blowjob. The way they do it now, it might as well be a blowup doll they are fucking as it has the same opportunity to be involved as the starlet. There is serious talent out there, yet it is wasted by stupid, moronic directors (note I'll not mention by name, but you know who YOU are). I have no problem with a little face fucking here and there, that too can be quite exciting and erotic. But the new way, (and unfortunately it's some of the biggest names out there... thus setting the status quo for all porn), it's more like this: A blowjob: Turn her upside down, fuck her face like you are trying to pack sand into a metal hole and once she vomits up spit all over the place, smile, then keep fucking her until she looks like Tammy Faye... keep doing this until another dickhead comes up to take your place.... Once you are done, make sure there is so much nasty spit on her unrecognizable face that the fans cannot really even tell when the cum shot happens as there is glob everywhere and the only indication that it is the star's face is that there is a hole there somewhere..... Hmmm... now who's idea was this? I'm thinking it was Jim Powers (okay, I said a name, but he's not the guilty one, he only did this in a fetish style series-gag factor). And Jim meant it to be an outside the box type of violent blowjob with the gagging lovers in mind (I think). Yet these other bozos decided this was the new and correct way to do a regular blowjob. Go figure. I like blowjobs where she/they either look at the camera or look into his eyes, and loves that penis like it is her reason for existence. Pretty hands on the cock and balls, sexy looks, lots of licking - you know, a REAL blowjob! And of course takes his cum like it is the nectar from your favorite god. Ya, some of these directors are a bit self absorbed and forget who pays THEIR check and ignores what WE actually want to see. Let's just assume that the most frequently used remote control button by all of us is FF. All I can say is, these guys are lucky I'm not in the business as a director.
However.... I'm totally into the degradation and disrespect... but frankly, a blowjob is much sexier when the woman dominates at least part of it. And if she's gonna throw a gagging fit, I'd rather it be on the cum, not the cock... at least there is logic to THAT degradation. Plus, if a guy is fucking her face that hard, I mean what exactly does he even feel-it's not near as nice as when it's slow and methodical, etc. So am I supposed to get a contact power rush off this stupid face fucking? I mean, I'm completely a pig, but I still don't get the necessity or point of the excessive nature of this new status quo blowjob.
Tanya Tate is another good one, sure she can deep throat but does it with ease and no stupid gagging noises and genuinally seems to love giving a guy pleasure Rule Britania!!!
I used to really like the blowjobs on ideepthroat back in the day. Really deep, but no gagging. The thing with porn, which I find so interesting, is that it constantly has to innovate and develop as the viewers get bored or desensitized. Porn's not the only contributor to this though, the whole of visual entertainment is to blame, you can see pretty rough bondage sex in drama now (see True Blood), all kinds of humiliation on reality TV (see Big Brother, or I'm a Celebrity in the UK), and there're literally thousands of weird videos all over the web. I think all of this is contributing to our expectations of porn. I remember the first time I saw gagging in a porn film (I think it was Extreme Gangbang 666, starring Veronica Caine) and I remember it almost made me feel sick. After seeing it a few times in a few other films it seemed pretty standard and it didn't bother me the same. What I hope is that porn will evolve with market demands rather than constantly trying to push things harder. If the market wants sensual blowjobs, then hopefully this will become more standard, who knows?
Very true. It makes me wonder what porn will be like in 10 years! I find it strange that sometimes I see a scene and it's the most amazing thing I've ever seen.... but if I watch it a few times... suddenly it's not enough and the hunt for something "good enough" is back on ... porn is a harsh mistress.
Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 4:47AM
But is this now a rareity? Whilst I dont mind spitting or gagging or what not on occasion, what ever happend to just a normal bj? Maybe its just me and its not as popular as the rougher bj which almost seems to be a new genre with certain companies.
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