You make your choice, I know what mine is. Porn is not a buisness where morality is not involved.

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then don't pay for it,don't steal it either

I work my ass off to build a site and maintain it. I buy equipment and bandwidth. I spend hours learning fucking Java script.

I build my members site. I update it regularly and I try to promote it. then some one gives their password to one of those sites you mentioned .and at the end of the day I have a $9000 bandwidth charge. I have not made an extra cent off my site; which with hosting, software, talent, design, and time hasn't earned a fucking penny anyways.I can't afford my bill and I am outta business, luckily I have a friend who had a box I could chill on while I got things figured out.

I work out of my shitty basement apartment with the heat off to keep the bills down. So you can watch my shit free?

If you are unhappy with the frequency of updates or content don't join the fucking site. Maybe you dont know your not gonna be happy,quit the site! I have a 3 day trial like most people.

Your abilty to see porn free is not more important than my right to eat.

I know it's been covered already in Brandon's thread. And Folks like Alex disagree but STEALING IS WRONG

you may not feel bad about ripping off chicks like me, but I would love to see you look some one like Skeeter or Brandon in the face and tell them you stole from them because you are not one of those "really desperate" people that pay for a product they produce.

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I am against using hacked passwords for paysites because I consider that stealing. I mean just because you don't like the site doesn't mean you have the right to steal all their content.

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If I don't like a site, I just won't continue to pay for it. Simple as that.

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That is why we have p2p,a majority of people believe they are being ripped off for a lot mediocre products. So they will not pay for it.

The talented people will just raise their game. A modern mozart will not be worried about p2p file-sharing. He will simply say come and watch my performance live.

If you stuff is quality, people will always pay. If your stuff is shite as the saying goes "once bitten twice shy", most will says see ya later.

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Gap shorts cost 80pence to make . They are sold between $10-15 dollars. The profit margin is huge.

The opposite happens where the code for the latest code for the most anticpitaed game (Half-Life2) and is being sold in shops in Ukraine. Tough luck this Globalisation. Isn't ??

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You said in you thread that you could get passwords to hq sites as well as lq sites. So how does having a better site help? you are admiting to stealing from both.

I am not a hypcorite

you should not pay for a mediocre product. you should not steal it either.

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I do not use it. I thinks most of the sites are simply rubbish anyway. My point is there is nothing you could about this mass of people who are connnected to the web who believe that they should not be charged for stuff over the web. They see the web as a community free for everyone where profit taking of any sort is abhorred and can be levelfield to express your ideas without having to pay for stuff like in the real world.

I am just bringing you the message, so shooting the messenger is just simply absurd.

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I interpreted your message as " is there the point of Paying for Porn Sites HQ " I did not interpret it as some one bringing me a message of something that happens to be going on.

for me this is the real world. my costs are real. the $750 dollars I sent to visa is real. The money I spend on soft ware is real. I understand that it can be difficult to see how your post can fill me with so much rage, but it feels like a taunting from a spoild child and I am powerless to stop them.

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Although some people on the net will always take your material without paying, I hope that there will always be lots of people on the net who will deal with you honestly. Your site looks very professional, it works well, and you make it easy to see that you have lots of your own original material inside. That will encourage the honest people who like your art to sign up with you.

One of the best things you are doing is participating in this forum. That lets this whole community get to know you as a real person. That's got to help. Hardly anyone wants to rip off a friend.

There certainly are some pay sites that are selling material that they have no rights to. Some of it may even be yours. I wouldn't encourage anyone to pay money to those sites, so 4hero has a good point in that area.

About your bandwidth costs when somebody gives out a password to your site. That really sucks! You are paying for the privilege of having someone rob you. I'd be angry too, if that happened to me.

I know I am on record as saying technical solutions don't work, but I think you could use one in this case. It should be possible for your web server software to note when the same user name is logging on from more than one IP address at the same time. When that happens, that account can be terminated. I know that some pay sites include this in their terms and conditions (Think I saw it when I joined ALS Scan once). A good website designer should be able to set this up for you. It may cost to have it set up, but nothing like as bad as another $9000 bandwidth charge.

Good luck and success to you.

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B) People on the Net don't want to pay for ANYTHING, EVER.
Subscribing to a pay site is regarded as a weakness or, as the say, "gay".
People only want to leech, take stuff anywhere they find it. They take your pictures, they hotlink to your resources, use your stuff without asking.

I think you can see the difference between point A and point B.

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There is also software and code available that when someone tries to hack your server, their computer will have a very bad day. If you're using CCBILL, talk to them about it.

I don't believe it matters how good a quality a site is or how hard you work, there will always be those that will only want it if they can get it for free.

I think in most cases, they really don't mean any harm. They don't realize the expense that comes from producing a site.

I own several sites but profit is not my motivation. I produce the sites to give the fans what they want for less than if they bought my movies individually. Of course I hope to make a profit, as I do with hard distribution.

A business is supposed to make a profit. There's nothing wrong with that. GAP makes a huge profit because they have learned how to keep their labor costs down. If I could produce for half what it costs me now, I would charge less for a membership to one of the sites.

I myself charge $29.95 for a membership to one of my sites. However, members then have access to the content of over 150 sites. That is an amazing deal and still, we have those who think it should be free.

Tell you what you do. Next time you go to a nice restaraunt, when you get the bill for your dinner, tell them it only cost them $4 to make your dinner and that you think it's wrong for them to charge you $50. That even though you enjoyed your dinner, you don't feel you should have to pay for it.

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I don't do my site mainly for a profit, but I can't afford to lose a ton of money on it either.

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And, once again, the third world fella needs to put food on the table and a roof over his head. I'm all for helping him do that (like, giving him a job making jeans for rich people). Helping him steal porn is never going to be on my list of things to do, though.

Now, you like to talk about human nature. Fine, let's talk. There have always been wolves in society who prey on other people. The Internet has simply extended their reach, wouldn't you agree? People who are afraid of stealing from you face-to-face are willing to steal from you behind your back. How much better to do so through the anonymity of the Internet, eh?

Do you expect me to cheer them on just because they toss words like 'freedom' around and sneer at profits? I am not so naive as to think they have any other goal than the pursuit of their own enrichment. I suggest you get beyond pretty words and look at the consequences of people's actions, rather than their excuses for them.

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just like all the music dowloaders who come up with these lame defenses - morons. just have the balls to stand up and say you're a thief. no more of this pathetic bullshit about how the record companies put out CD's with 1 good song and 10 shitty ones, how the adult webmaster doesn't update his members area blah blah blah .....that doesn't give you the right to go steal from the rest of the record companies/artists or adult paysites. as if buying a lemon of an automobile gave you the right to start stealing cars out of people's driveways. i hate stupidity as much as I hate thieves.

Kami i don't understand what you mean - once Pennywize shuts down a password how are these 'hackers' still allowing thousands of people to steal your movies? that doesn't sound right. CCBILL has always been a joke for hackers to exploit.

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The point is even If I do not download, there are millions of people doing it. Period.

You can argue you till you black and blue, but the fact of the matter most people do not have qualms about using the latest product for free. If I am wrong, prove it.

Half the people that post in here download their porn using p2p, newsgroups and Irc. It is not like porn is a bread you have to buy to feed the family. If you have a choice of downloading porn for free and feeding your family. What will you choose ?

I just hate fucking hypocrites, I bet all most of you have free porn downloaded somwhere in your stash. Not a single person I know pays for their porn. They think they can get it for free and they do not give a damn fuck about buisness and ethics.

I say instead of getting on the ivory tower and shouting it is stealing, just grin and bear it. It just comes with the territory.

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Edited by - hardware on 2/28/2004 1:24:35 AM

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what about, is there a point for posting these
sites anymore?
man? of course you can't expect these sites to thrive
without collecting money, can you?

a simple answer to your question is

YES

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