Another ADT member, simon33333, has some pics of a girl he believes may be Stepfanie Kramer, but he's looking for confirmation. Can anyone help him out? Thanks in advance everyone, killbillvol69 Here is the ADT-safe pic that is Stepfanie: Here are the Not-so-ADT-safe pics that he wants to confirm are or are not Stepfanie: Not-so-ADT-safe pic #1 Not-so-ADT-safe pic #2 [edit: fucked up bold script] [edit2: fixed the spelling of her name. Who would've thought that it would really have a "pf"?] Edited by - killbillvol69 on Dec 5 2009
To my well trained porn eye, there is not enough evidence for me to say the hardcore shots are of Stefanie. Carl Sagan was found of saying "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I have to admit that makeup can sometime make someone unregimazeable. Wayne In Dallas
Sure, yeah, that's what I meant. I always thought "Stepfanie" was a typo! [edit: I just fixed it in the thread title & OP] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 12/5/2009 4:51:27 PM
I appreciate your input junglew. I would never have proceeded with these photos if i was not 100% sure it is Stepfanie Kramer. One has to realize that these younger pixs are well over a decade ago. Yes, makeup can change alot,however, I am relying on my 20/20 vision and the power of a very strong magnify glass and another pix of her which comes from the box of the movie "Twinsisters" which i can attach to an e-mail if you would like. To show what i have seen which is:Kramer's thumb between her fingernail and nuckle which bends in more than one's normally does which can be seen in the pixs esp. of the one where she is holding a gun. The second item i focused on is her eyebrows. They start out thick and end in a thin way toward her ear.Her nose structure is the same. I feel like i work for a foresnic team with that said. What i need is the damn title. This is not over till i find the movie. I would love to hear from more people. Stepfanie, is spelled two ways.She was credited as 'Stepfanie Kramer' on the hit cop drama "Hunter". So, I go with that one. Thank you to everyone that has responded to this thread even if you do not think it is her,everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
That Europe photo is beautiful. Whereabouts is it?
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Posted - Dec 8 2009 : 12:25AM
I know Simon has been posting on ADT for some time trying to unravel the mystery and claim that Kramer did hc movies some years back. The girl in that magazine layout is not in my view Kramer. I believe I recall seeing that girl in some movies/early videos in the early 1980's (possibly from Gourmet). She is familiar but I can't put a name to her. If you wanted to make a case for Kramer lookalikes in porn you probably need to go no further than Laurie Smith (quite similar facial appearance, and she has used such names as Stephanie and Kristin). Edited by - Len801 on 12/8/2009 12:41:14 AM
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Posted - Dec 8 2009 : 12:55AM
I think if Stepfanie Kramer had a porn past it would be well known by now and by more people than just simon33333. The Enquirer, Star or some other gossip rag would have uncovered it a long time ago. They live for shit like that.
Regarding your comment, it is up to me to proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that Stepfanie Kramer did do hc movies. There is to much evidence to verify such. So it is not a 'mystery' or a far fetch 'claim' that she do it. I do not work like that. Even Ida Lupino verified at one point she did do it. The stuntman that is now deceased that worked on the set of "Hunter" said she did it. With the mountain of proof that i have I will keep looking. The one thing I will do is bring the evidence i have right here when made avaible. Perhaps saying 'unconfirmed' would have been better. I will investigate the woman you say is a lookalike. No doubt if it exist in someones closet and is legal, i will get it. I solve 'the cold case files' as a hobby. Thank you for your input. Though i would like you to investiagte if you want to the lookalike to provide evidence of such.
If all the "hard" evidence you have gathered thus far ar those two pics, it does not hold. How did your search come to those two pics (magazine layout/cover)? How do those two pics relate to the alleged porn films that Kramer supposedly made?
Response to your inquiries: Let's look at this as if it is a puzzle,one piece missing does not complete said puzzle. Is certainly is not all the hard evidence i have uncovered, most certainly not!! Reflect back if you even want to,to "The Porn Pool" where i stated alot of things that i have came across that is strong evidence that Stepfanie Kramer did participate in hc movies. Not many, but she did do them. I just have happened upon alot of people that have confirmed such,not to mention SK confirming she did them on national tv. These photos where obtained from Ebay's adult section.A female clerk sold one vhs tape in Iowa during 2004. The pixs relate in that they do look like her and i asked peoples opinion here, if these are of her then it is one step closer. If someone contests that they are not her then allow me proof to validate their claim.
More people other that I do know. Regarding the crap mags, has everyone seen all of them, every copy printed. One movie store owner that i knew very well read about it. So someone did pick up on it. "Entertainment Tonight" gave it a quick clip. Its not like Tracy Lords. Which was a bulletin board!! Also, if you can reach John Stamos, ask him he watched it.I will find out why they eluded me thus far.
Simon, please stop duplicating your messages, it makes things harder to read and follow. You do not need to go rehash what you have already said in previous posts about Kramer supposedly doing hardcore. All I want to establish is: what is the connection of those couple of pics (taken from an old hc magazine) to Kramer? Who is saying or telling you that the girl in the magazine is the SAME girl that supposedly appeared in those hardcore movies that supposedly featured Kramer? Even if I could find some old mags indicating what the porn name (should I/anyone find one) of that girl featured on that magazine cover, it will probably not really establish 100% that is or is not Kramer, since we do not have any pics/screencaps of the those videotapes that you have mentioned and so no real analysis can be made. My saying that the girl in the magazine cover is not Kramer, no one can prove or disprove 100% unless the actual model or photographer surfaces and provides hard evidence. But again it will only address the issue of the magazine, not the movies which are nowhere to be found.
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Len801 Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 8 2009 : 6:12PM
No ADT, I was not suggesting Laurie Smith is Kramer or even the girl in the hc magazine. Laurie Smith looks in many ways like Kramer, but I don't think it is her. So let's leave it at that. Could the girl in the magazine be Laurie? Possibly, but until I would be able to do further research I really cannot say for certain. The girl in the mag is familiar to me, but we are basically trying to compare a picture in a photo mag against pictures of Kramer. To me it will resolve nothing, as we do not have pictures/screencaps of THAT performer (who supposedly is Kramer) in those 2-3 elusive adult hc movies. I do not see and Simon has not explained the connection of the magazine pictures and the actress in the 3 hard core movies. I have not understood this present piece of the puzzle that Simon is constructing. But I agree as to why different topics must continuously be opened to discuss essentially the same thing. Perhaps the mods can do a stitch job and regroup all these topic together.
To me it does. The English word for the face part I was looking is: philtrum. And Kramers philtrum dimple (see the 2 pix I posted) is not as deep as the philtrum of the girl in the 2 hardcore pix. Im not a M.D. but I think this says a lot. Actually, you can hardly speak of any deepness of Kramers philtrum dimple, especially if you compare it with the other girl from the magazine.
The duplicate was an error. I saw a typo and tried to fix it and it caused the duplication. Not rehashing. u thought i had zero evidence(not your words exactly), so i reflect on the other posts. The pixs were to est a connection with the fact that she didi porn. I declare they are not 100% perfect but darn close.
That analogy cannot be used. The pixs are in q's. I base my knowlegde on the fact she admitted to doing it, that is when the investigation started. You do not believe. Does not bother me. That is what i consider a very bad analogy. Yeah, the pixs are not enough. However, Kramer's admission to such is enough. Bye.
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Posted - Dec 9 2009 : 2:26AM
Sorry Simon, I have still not understood the connection of the girl in the hardcore magazine to the alleged Stephanie Kramer hc movies. For the last time what is the connection? All you have said so far is that someone at ebay offered these...but what does that mean, what is the connection?
Regarding said question: asked at first the word was stated 'may be Stepfanie Kramer', not is most certainly, or I found her, this is it, i win. Regarding dead end ,the concrete proof will develop. Research takes time, not done over night. Iam going to work.
Answer: The mag clippings were received from "Ebay Adult Section" by method of a scan. I was going to buy it , but the owner decided to keep it. I posted with the pix looking like Kramer ( i certainly thought it was, and I am looking into that woman's name to get more pixs) to show the movies do exist as this would have been a pix of the action in a movie she did. The submitting of said photos was for that intent. I will get to the bottom of this.
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Posted - Dec 9 2009 : 2:35PM
OK simon, I finally get it. You were just surfing the net and came across this magazine cover and you think the girl is or you think she looks very much like Kramer. You think this is the missing link or "smoking" gun. I and others have already addressed this issue: no one thus far believes the girl in the magazine cover is Kramer. There are too many facial dissimilarities (cheekbones, nose, mouth, eyes, eyebrows). Since, like I have said in my previous posts, this only resolves the issue of the girl in the magazine cover, we are far removed from finding evidence that Kramer did hc movies. Her saying it and others supposedly suggesting it proves nothing. A lot of mainstream or soft core actresses when they discuss their movie careers may say they performed "porn" movies. "Porn" movies does not necessarily mean to everybody that were are talking explicit sexual activity. Pres Clinton also swore he did not have "sex with that woman". As far as I am concerned you are at a dead end with regards to this present pursuit.
To this old porn hound, the girl in question hardcore-wise looks a lot more like Gina Valentino than it does Stepfanie Kramer... http://www.iafd.com/graphics/headshots/gina_valentino.jpg
I think we have a winner!!!!!! Brings this ID issue to the garbage ban! Just look at the identical PHILTRUM/ color of nail stuff?/ the same colored and type of hair tape/ exact the same hairstyle. The girl in the 2 magazine photos of simon = Gina valentiono. The guy from Ebay seems a big time scammer to if he was willfully trying to sell this as original kramer hc pix.... http://www.imagehost.se/images/jn88or66.jpg And now compare with your 2 pix:No question about it!!!!
Edited by - adt44 on 12/9/2009 4:09:10 PM
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Posted - Dec 9 2009 : 5:12PM
I think Irex may be right about Gina Valentino. I do recall her early career and that movie she starred in with Jacqueline Lorians and Marc Wallice, TRACI IN HEAVEN (by the way ADT, that was an incest-themed movie if you are interested, LOL, but it featured Traci Lords and is unavailable in its original form, but was later re-released with Traci scenes removed). But to clarify one point. I never made a strong case nor did I push the suggestion that the girl in that magazine cover was Laurie Smith. What I was trying to say is that in porn, the only actress that comes close in my view to LOOK like Kramer is Laurie, but I never suggested the two were the same person. Gina Valentino was a cutie but she never had much of a big career or appeared in "A" titles.
Regardless of said photos i submitted ,my next submission will be that of a box cover done by a link. It's all part of research, you have set backs and victories. The guy from Eaby was questioning it when i e-amiled him, not a scam artist. He never stated it was Kramer. I stated it looked like her a bit as others have confirmed. Case closed on photos.Case still open on Kramer's short lived xxx-rated movie life... be prepared to be surprised!
Your comment about windmills, never mind, Iam not going there.I do not research projects that leave no trail. Did you listen into numerous conversations that i have had with people on the phone stating she did xxx-rated movies, did you talk to someone that sold one during 2004? Did you watch the broadcast of "Friday night videos" where she admitted to such? I chase facts.It is true and i will prove it. That simple. My reponding to this comment gives me satisfaction, i really do not care that you do not believe.Bye.
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Posted - Dec 10 2009 : 1:14AM
Unsubstantiated conversations with unidentified people one of whom was "some guy" in a porn store. Day-um that is some good proof. If the prosecution had evidence like that O.J. never would have walked.An alleged incident that supposedly happened in the late '80's during the middle of "Hunter's" television run and there were no repercussions or even reports of it anywhere? If more people had heard of that it would rank right up there with the urban legend of Johnny Carson and the actress with the cat on her lap.Good luck. I will be here to read your findings but I will not be holding my breath.
Iam only responding to your criticism because we are on a forum with about 400 people having looked at the thread and possibly more. If you were walking down the street i would walk past you say nothing and act as if you said nothing. First of all, it's not just one movie store owner that reported Stepfanie Kramer has having done it and one sale as having been made first of. Second, Iam not about to go on this thread and start giving out the names of the people that i have spoken to just because it is too much trouble esp. after your comments, which are basic out right insults which i could not give a damn about. One thing you needto know about me is that i have been exxposed in my life time to near death, people that are so cold they would do the cruelest things and i have managed to stay safe and alive. Regarding no one responing to Kramer talkingabout it, some did. I do not know what you actually do in the field of porn, buy it, rent it, collect massive amounts. Whether have reveievedmoviesever done since 1970, or who u know in the porn industry, or if you have spoken to every porn star in the world, every person that has ever picked up a camera since 1970 and earlier to record porn since it was black and white then to nice color one day. You very well may have seen more porn than me. But to state that i have zero proof and to bring in a comment like the OJ Simpson case. PLeaseeeee! I have stated when i have the box , i will bring it to the forum. Until then why make comments thatarejust not right esp. OJ .two decent people died, that is just wrong. Nothing to say but negative comments, go ahead waste your time. I could care less. Its your time not mine, it will take time to find it, i have other things i do with my time. The next time you make comments , i will address only the comments that deserve it in light of the fact others are reading the forum .some typos, thought I would mention that before u start talking about that next. Why not try to get a copy of " Friday NightVideos" hosted by John Stamos and Stepfanie Kramer? You will not be able too. I will defend my research, if it was justu and me in a debate in a room i would walk right out. Bye.
Have many videos of Laurie Smith and especially Gina Valentino and don't feel either had any resemblance to Stephanie Karamer. Where is the face resconition software in this discussion. Know that many companies and especially Las Vegas depend on it as near perfect. Would pay some site to give me a name to go with a face. This forum has many questions for id that hopefully could be solved with this software. Anyone out there have access to this software? Wayne In Dallas
Vey good point. I checked with people via phone, not on the internet for this software. I think it is very expensive. Usualy used to analysis fingerprints as well.
There is too much evidence to make me believe that it is not true. Not as if i looked at her on the screen and dreamed about her being in adult movies.
Something came up when i was speaking to someone very famous in the industry, but i will not reveal the name out of privacy issues. This is what came up. I remember that Ida Lupino had mentioned she read in "Screw Magazine" that Al Goldstein interviewed Kramer and she did not deny she did porn. First of all, if you are reading this Ida, sorry to calling u out on this, u were helping and i was wrong. Now, i believe it was Patrick Riley that at length communicated w/me about this awhile ago and he said that if she did it, people would know. Now i do not have the article that stated she was Linda Bailey her AKA. If in fact that is correct she would have been underage. Still, would that have made it to the internet? I just finished buying a good porn from someone on the internet and asked about her. The seller told me that he received an e-mail request about her and was going to look into his sources and very large inventory, this guy has alot of stuff. well, if i find it and it is underage i will not touch it. If legal, i'll buy it. I just wish John Stamos never mentioned it. How do i get a hold of the "Screw" magazine? Anybody know how to really hunt down this damn info.
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Posted - Mar 2 2011 : 5:48AM
That time of the year again. Al Goldstein might still be around and have some copies of Screw lying around. Other than that, I don't know what to advise. As I have mentioned before, yes, I do remember reading something about Stepfanie's possible porno past in a magazine the 1980s, but can't remember whether it was in a porn mag or the TV Week gossip section.
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