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Dan
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Posted - Dec 7 2011 : 6:40AM
A lot of gonzo porn movies nowadays show a series of scenes, each of which starts with lengthy foreplay followed by progressively harder and faster sex, until the actors orgasm.
But from the viewer's point of view, who hasn't orgasmed at the end of the last scene, watching lengthy foreplay again in the second scene is a big let down. It's something to fast-forward through. Because such a viewer is still sexually excited from watching the last scene. And he naturally wants to see more hard and fast sex, rather than go back to mild and slow foreplay.
And this makes me wonder if such porn movies are designed for the pleasure of the actors, rather than for that of the viewers?
Because a movie designed for viewers would take into account the fact that most viewers don't orgasm 5 or 6 times during the movie. A movie for viewers would keep the sex action going hard and fast in scenes that follow the first, with minimal foreplay. Because lengthy foreplay in the middle of the film is a big letdown for any viewer who has just watched a wild, no-holes-barred fuck in the previous scene.
Lengthy foreplay in the middle of the film might make sense for the actors and actresses in the scene. But such foreplay can be done off screen, before the filming starts. Because such foreplay distracts the sexually excited viewer with milder sex than he is in the mood for.
Edited by - Dan on Dec 7 2011
Edited by - Dan on Dec 7 2011
pat362
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Posted - Dec 7 2011 : 11:25AM
^Can you name me some gonzo movies that have a lot of foreplay in them? No offense but I certinly haven't seen them. At least not what I consider foreplay. Maybe we have a very different idea of foreplay but in my world foreplay usually starts with a lot of kissing then moves to caressing but never really forgetting to keep the kissing active. After some time you move to the removing of clothes and then you get back to kissing and caressing. At some point the kissing moves from the lips to the rest of the body.
That`s not the type of foreplay I see in most gonzo movies. Their idea of foreplay is usually a girl parading around with very few clothes on and then she winds up naked and guy a guy wearing a huge hard on walks in the picture and she starts to give him a a BJ for 10 minutes and then it`s sex in every possible position.
ninja1
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Posted - Dec 7 2011 : 12:58PM
Porn is packaged as scenes, not films/movies. Each scene is independent from the rest, and probably needs to be independent of the particular dvd on which it is initially released, so it can be repackaged and re-released in a compilation or a different title without looking weird. And from a fan viewpoint, what if your favorite performer happens to be in one of those later scenes? Would you want her scene to be abbreviated, without a chance to see her alone for a few minutes before 'naked erect guy' shows up and immediately dominates the screen space and cameraman attention? Because once they guy enters the scene, you never get to see good views of the girl any more.
Dan
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Posted - Dec 8 2011 : 8:06AM
I suppose you and me don't agree on the definition of foreplay. Which is okay.
But all I want to say is that sex acts in porn movies can be graded in terms of their sexual heat. And the milder type of sex acts belong more in the beginning of the movie, while the wilder type of sex acts belongs more in the middle and at the end of the movie. Because a viewer who watches the whole movie from its beginning to its end will likely be frustrated by the huge mismatch between his own sexual excitement, that keeps increasing as he watches the movie, and the up and down type of sexual excitement of the actors on screen.
I think most porn fans, porn stars, and porn directors would agree that a BJ is less sexually intense than a pussy fuck is. A BJ can be made more intense by having the lady BJ several guys at the same time. But its intensity is limited by the sex act itself. Because a lady pussy-fucking several guys at the same time would be having a more intense type of sex than if she was just giving them all BJs.
And it's the same thing for all sex act. Anal sex is considered more hardcore and wilder type of sex than pussy-sex. But pussy and anal sex at the same time during double-penetration is even more hardcore than anal sex with one guy and a BJ for another.
And this isn't just my opinion about how hardcore sexual acts are. Porn stars get paid more money for having pussy sex than for giving only a BJ. And the price goes up for anal sex. Double penetration sex is even more richly rewarded. And double-anals and double-vaginals are even more richly rewarded. And this kind of thing probably also depends on how attractive the lady is. The more attractive ladies are hotter to watch, and they probably get paid more money for this.
Dan
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Posted - Dec 8 2011 : 8:38AM
If a porn movie is just a collection of unrelated scenes that have little to do with each other. Then this is no different from compilation porn movies. Which have their place in the porn market. But having all porn movies made in this style is a bit disappointing for porn fans who are looking for extended fun. Because such a series of unrelated scenes is ill suited for lengthy viewing.
I think porn movies need more variety than this. Because not all porn-fans are the same. Some want a quickie scene, while others are in the mood for an hour or two of uninterrupted viewing. And there should be both types of porn movies to satisfy both types of desires.
When a porn fan buys a porn movie, then he usually wants to watch all of it. And it's often hard to get past the 1st scene, because the actors orgasm, and the scene that follows shows 10-15 minutes of teasing, licking, and BJs. It's hard for the viewer to find sex of the same intensity that he has just finished watching in the last scene. Even the DVD with all of its options doesn't give the viewer this option of finding intense sex in the middle of the scene. It's something the viewer has to search for on his own in a frustrating and a dick-withering kind of way.
Perhaps a good way to make a lengthy porn movie with ever increasing sexual intensity is to have an insatiable porn stud who teams up with other guys on the pretty ladies. The other guys cum and leave, while he doesn't cum because he still wants some other lady's bum. He teams up with other guys on the same and/or other ladies and goes for harder and faster sex right away, while the lady gives the new guys some foreplay.
This insatiable stud who cums only at the end of the movie would appear in every scene with different guys and would bang every sexy lady harder and faster than the last lady. And his craving for harder and faster sex with the ladies from one scene to the next would match the viewer's sexual excitement who doesn't cum at the end of every scene.
It's like having a one long scene, with several sub-scenes imbedded in it. The insatiable guy would play the one long scene, while the other guys who cum and go would play the shorter sub-scenes imbedded in the long scene. It's like having a scene within a scene. Which is a good way to tie the whole movie together, rather than have a compilation type of movie with several unrelated scenes.
Edited by - Dan on 12/8/2011 9:00:28 AM
 
pat362
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Posted - Dec 8 2011 : 11:51AM
I suppose you and me don't agree on the definition of foreplay. Which is okay.
But all I want to say is that sex acts in porn movies can be graded in terms of their sexual heat.
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I'm quite certain that you and I don't agree on what constitutes foreplay. I gave you my definition so you'd have to give me yours for me to see if we have common points. I also don't agree with your definition of what is considered a hot scene in porn. Now it could be a question of you using the wrong term. See me I think lesbian sex is hot so even if there's no penetration or BJ then I'm still quite satisfied. I think passionate kissing can be really hot.
If all you've ever seen is primarily gonzo porn then there's a good chance that your view on porn is a little skewed because gonzo porn is pretty much limited to Boy, Girl, BJ, Penetration (choose hole(s) based on series) and cum shoot or creampie. The major difference is usually the number of players or shooting style and frankly that last one is less and less noticeable.
Dan
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Posted - Dec 8 2011 : 12:33PM
According to a dictionary definition of foreplay, foreplay is touching/kissing/licking each other in a stimulating manner, in order to become "turned on" before having actual sex.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=foreplay
And 'actual sex' in this definition means penetrative sexual intercourse, such as in vaginal or anal sex.
Which means that when it takes 10-15 minutes for the guy to penetrate the woman, then all of that 10-15 minutes is foreplay, according to the commonly accepted meaning of this word.
And the hotness of the sex of course depends on the viewers sexual orientation and his personal preferences. But many porn fans have very similar personal preferences. And that's why there is some consensus about which sex acts are more hardcore than other sex acts. And that's why film makers are willing to pay women more money for some sex acts than for other sex acts.
I think it's a commonly accepted idea among most porn fans that penetrative sex is more hardcore than BJ type of sex. And anal sex is more hardcore than vaginal sex. This opinion probably isn't unanimous. You might disagree, for example. But in terms of making porn movies for commercial purposes, it's the opinion of the majority of the porn fans that matters the most.
pat362
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Posted - Dec 8 2011 : 2:14PM
I agree with your definition of foreplay so a BJ is not foreplay. A BJ is a sexual act.
It probably doesn't fall under penetration but then again I've seen some BJ videos where the guy was pretty much trying to nail the woman's mouth and throat with his penis so technically he was penetrating her. He just wasn't using her pussy or ass. Now since we say that a BJ is not foreplay then can you name me one movies where there was 10 to 15 minutes of actual foreplay?
I believe that Clinton was a firm believer that a BJ is not a sexual act but he was in the minority.
Edited by - pat362 on 12/8/2011 2:15:33 PM
Dan
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 8:25AM
According to the 'Sex For Dummies' book (p. 129), fellatio is considered foreplay, unless it's the main event intended to bring the man to orgasm.
Which means that all those movies, that show 10-15 minutes of oral sex followed by pussy and/or anal fuck, spend all that time on foreplay.
Oral sex sort of sits on the border between foreplay and sexual intercourse. It can be either one, depending on how its done. But when the sex is so borderline that you have a hard time telling if it's sexual intercourse or not, and you have to argue about it, then there is no way it can be as hot as the sex where you have no such doubts and there is no dispute, such as in vaginal and anal fuck.

Edited by - Dan on 12/9/2011 8:33:45 AM

pat362
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 12:26PM
^I can't speak for sex for dummies but trust me on this one. If your penis winds up in a girl's mouth than it's not foreplay anymore than if she gives you a handjob.
Dan
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 5:41PM
A lady often goes oral on a flaccid guy in order to get up his cock and make it erect enough to fuck with her. Which definitely is foreplay. Because the lady's purpose is to excite the guy and prepare him for the fuck. It's the same purpose as that of any other foreplay.
And if oral sex was just as good as vaginal or anal sex, then impotent guys wouldn't be complaining about not being able to get it up. These guys would've been satisfied with pretty ladies sucking hard on their limp dicks and temporarily giving them artificial erections, with the ladies using lips and cheeks like vacuum pumps on their dicks.
But the fact is that impotent guys want to fuck the pretty lady's pussy and/or ass. Oral sex by itself simply isn't good enough for them. And it's like that for most porn fans too. They want to see the sexy chick take hard dick inside her pussy and/or ass for a good ride. And only then they'll be satisfied.
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