But I think you've turned this discourse into something other than where it started. So I'll let others carry the discussion from here.
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| LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06 |  Posted - Aug 11 2008 : 3:59PMBut I think you've turned this discourse into something other than where it started. So I'll let others carry the discussion from here. [Link] |
| MarcoClimax Member 44 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Aug 11 2008 : 4:00PM Edited by - MarcoClimax on 8/11/2008 4:00:48 PM [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Aug 11 2008 : 4:23PM Or do you think the Jehovah's Witnesses brainwashed me and convinced me to not post it? [Link] |
| SickFuxxx Pornos Deactivated User 1 Posts 8/08 | Posted - Aug 11 2008 : 4:25PM We do not allow advertising of sites that promote or store stolen material. Edited by - Flash on 8/12/2008 4:08:11 PM [Link] |
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| MarcoClimax Member 44 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Aug 11 2008 : 4:39PM Edited by - MarcoClimax on 8/11/2008 5:24:32 PM [Link] |
| Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Aug 12 2008 : 2:44PM Edited to remove the name of the offending site so as not to drive traffic to it. Flash Edited by - Flash on 8/12/2008 4:09:29 PM [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Aug 12 2008 : 4:20PM [Link] |
| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Aug 12 2008 : 6:13PM A "slutty" character getting killed horribly (usually while running around half naked) is a horror genre cliche. There are plenty of scream queens hired specifically because they bring some sex to a movie. In R-rated Cabin Fever, for example, hottie Cerina Vincent gets naked and has (fake) sex, followed by one of the nastiest horror movie scenes I can think of. Most people don't think twice about that, yet they go crazy if there's simulated violence in porn, as if it's the reason why monsters attack women... [Link] |
| MarcoClimax Member 44 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Aug 12 2008 : 10:50PM For instance that movie "The Hillside Strangler" (2004), that was directed by Chuck Parello, and which stars C. Thomas Howell and Nicholas Turturro, in the roles of two real time serial killers, Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Bono, has quite a bit of violence in it, with a definite sexual element, however, although theres some nudity, no genitals are visible, so it cant really be classified as porn. Edited by - MarcoClimax on 8/13/2008 10:11:10 AM [Link] |
| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Aug 13 2008 : 12:47PM I guess I shouldn't risk it, but I've had a quick look at a couple of the sites that the law was specifically created to ban. Neither of them feature full sex, or even much explicit nudity, and even the gore isn't comparable to films like Saw and Hostel. Presumably American obscenity laws are part of the reason for that; these producers would fall foul of them if they featured penetrative sex. Also, quite a few bondage models have major restrictions on what they'll do on camera, some don't even allow full nudity. It seems to me that what makes it porn is the way that it's labeled and marketed, as fetish material, rather than the actual content. How much would you have to change illegal (in the UK) violent porn like this, before it could be shown without controversy as an indie horror short? My main point is that anyone who jerks off to violent porn is also going to be jerking off to the sexual violence in horror movies. The fact that you can watch one on TV at 9pm, while the other gets you 3 years in prison, just seems a bit ridiculous to me. [Link] |
| MarcoClimax Member 44 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Aug 13 2008 : 11:33PM Judges 19:25-30 25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. 29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel. 30 Everyone who saw it said, "Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Think about it! Consider it! Tell us what to do!" So my question is : how can a detective or lawyer say that "violent porn" affects people and should be banned, and yet deny that the Bible contains violent pornographic passages ? This seems hypocritical. Here are people preaching the law and censorship, yet they refuse to aknowledge that the very foundations of these laws are transgressing the very same activities that they claim these laws are inforcing. My question then is : If it has been shown conclusively that some serial killers have gone so far as to quote scriptures such as these, to justify their killing. How is it possible to justify the legalizing and use of such literature as the foundation of censorship laws ? [Link] |
| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Aug 14 2008 : 10:52AM One main argument for the ban was that the human rights of women were being infringed by the availability of violent porn. That it's hate speech against women, encourages sexual discrimination, and puts women at increased risk of harm. Most of the evidence cited for this came from feminist anti-porn/prostitution groups like Prostitution Research & Education, the same people who compared Kink.com with Abu Ghraib prison. Arguments directly referencing religion were pretty thin on the ground when this was being discussed by the government. The thing that bugs me more than anything is that nobody seems to challenge the "facts about porn" provided by certain feminist groups. For example, some of them insisted that a lot of violent porn is 100% real, that it features actual mutilation and murder of women. This was given as a major reason for banning possession, not just creation and distribution. Those men need to be stopped from creating the demand that encourages the murder of women simply in order to satisfy their grotesque desires. - Julie Bindel, feminist campaigner Yet I have never seen any credible evidence for the existence of a single snuff movie, let alone the claimed snuff movie industry that murders hundreds of women every year. If they have real evidence then they should give it to the police, there should be a murder investigation. Of course many religious groups were on the same side. Ironic considering how many feminists consider those religions to be inherently misogynistic and patriarchal. Pornography makes strange bedfellows. It'll be interesting to see if the government goes any further with this. Censorship advocates have been calling for the British government to actively prevent people from viewing "harmful" internet sites. For example, forcing ISPs to block access to a lot of porn, and report users who try to view it. Surely if China can stop liberal ideas from reaching its people, Britain can keep extreme pornography from a much smaller population? - Joan Bakewell [Link] |
| DoNotLitter Member "0" 11 Posts 8/08 | Posted - Aug 15 2008 : 12:05AM "Except in the UK most proponents of the violent porn law were left-wing feminists, not right-wing Christians." They (feminists) tried doing the same thing here in the US in the 80's look up "Dworkin-MacKinnon Antipornography Civil Rights Ordinance or Dworkin-MacKinnon Ordinance" Both in Minneapolis and Indianapolis they were able to get some laws passed, but in one case it was vetoed by the mayor b/c he feared not having the money to defend the ordinance when the constitutional claims started rolling in, and in the other it was stuck down in the state and federal courts on constitutional grounds. Those rulings were subsequently affirmed by the US Supreme Court. In the Supreme Court case if I remember correctly Dworkin and MacKinnon used several studies they cited as being proof that porno was a contributing factor of violence toward women. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 15 2008 : 12:38AM When a given thing has enough opponents, it will go down sooner or later. Doesn't matter what it is. Edited by - randomprecision on 8/15/2008 12:40:33 AM [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 18 2008 : 12:44AM Your are confusing actions between two states with what individuals do. It is not against international law for people to peacefully their beliefs. It maybe against a given country's law, but it is not against international law. If one country attempts to interfere with another country's laws then that may be against international law. [Link] |
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