In the straight section, the only fisting videos I saw were European imports and there was only about 10 videos in all.

It would be fantastic if there were videos that had American stars fisting.

Hey, if the gays don't seem to care about the legal consequences, why don't the straight producers have fisting in their videos?

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Therefore, after someone got prosecuted for a movie with Golden Showers, filmmakers decided that Golden Showers weren't important enough to take a chance on. So they took them out of thier movies.

After someone got prosecuted for a film containing fisting, filmmakers stopped shooting fisting. That's basiscally all there is to it.

It's probably the store owners who have the biggest impact on these acts to be removed from movies. They get prosecuted for obscenity too. For most, selling a fisting or Golden Shower movie isn't worth the chance of getting prosecuted for obscenity. They won't sell these movies. So producers don't make those movies.

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During 1977-78, fisting had become a bit of a craze in porno. Little Orphan Dusty was a popular entry in the genre--you may notice that there are 3 fisting scenes in the film. Candy Stripers came out shortly afterwards, and Bob Chinn began to shoot fisting in several of his other films, as well.

But these films were being shown mostly in downtown theaters in LA, SF, and NYC--places where it was felt community standards would allow for such things. However, in March of 1979 the LAPD raided a theater showing Candystipers , confiscated the print, and filed obscenity charges. The following year, the LA DAO released their famous "list" of acts they would aggressively prosecute in other titles, and this list has more or less become standard throughout the business in the US since.

The reason why everyone paid attention, of course, was that video had become a huge part of sales by this point, and this meant shipping product all over the country, not just playing it in red light district theaters. So, in order to protect everyone involved--producers, sales, adult store workers--porn eliminated anything that appeared on that famous list, and others like it in different areas around the US.

Many of the recent court battles we've seen are attempts, in my view, by the DOJ to expand the list of acts viewed as "obscene," as well as to clamp down on the freedom of online producers to show whatever they want. Clearly, bukkake titles are being targeted. I expect "female ejaculation" titles will soon be busted as well. And the meat of the Extreme prosecution seems to me to be moving towards a definition of internet obscenity, where the producers now are claiming that, since the community where the product is made (let's say, as an example, the Tampa area) does not find the product to be in violation of their standards, then it is free to go out across cyberspace. But the DOJ would like to come around to a ruling where the producer cannot "carry" his own standard through cyberspace with him--he must conform to those of any community where the product could be viewed (which in the internet is everywhere).

That is not the basis of the recent COHF filing, however. They are accusing Guhn and company of pandering (can you say Hall Freeman, anyone?).

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Edited by - hardware on 8/18/2006 8:27:36 PM

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1) Do US authorities have any problems with us buying "problematic" porn from overseas?

2) Seriously, could I get in trouble? I recall seeing a site that sold Traci Lords movies on VHS a few years ago from Canada. Isn't that still child porn and couldn't I be tagged (not that I'm interested in Traci Lords - I am interested in the whole fisting scene, though).

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2) I wouldn't recommend buying Traci Lords movies, except the one she made after turning 18. You'd be in possession of child porn if you did.

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I think the same standard applies in areas of Europe, but it seems to be a country-by-country thing.

She only made 1 video when she was legal and from what I hear, it's not really that hot. I can vouch for some of her underage work being great, though. And that's all I'll say about that.

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I think thats pretty much across the board now in Europe.
There is a Dutch studio called 'Seventeen' but i believe thats a misnomer.

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Edited by - jacco on 8/23/2006 7:42:23 PM

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I'm surprised this was not exploited more by other companies at the time. Did they always know they were skating on thin ice?

I was always a bit put off by the compulsory headbands and leg warmers on 'Seventeen' mag covers. I certainly remember spotting a few girls who looked a hell of a lot older. I probably just missed the boat by discovering porn in the mid 1980's

Was record keeping compulsory? Is it in Europe today even?

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As you probably know, Tracy had a layout in that issue. When it was revealed whe was underaged, I tossed my isse as I am a mere coward and didn't want the feds knocking down my door for my Penthouse.

What are the legalities here? Is it illegal to own that issue of Penthouse?

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