A nutrionally valueless food produced by a faceless multinational corporation 30 Posts 5/07
Posted - May 25 2007 : 1:42PM
A lot of time, porn really pisses me off. None more so than scenes where the dude routinely screws the girl in each position, then after about 18 minutes or so, there is a a cut to the girl on her knees with her mouth open as the guy jacks off furiously for a minute or two desperately trying to bust a nut. Very unerotic.
If the actress in the scene, who is supposed to be the object of our spanky fantasy can't or doesn't get the actor off, how the hell is the viewer supposed to get off. Pull the throbbing, orgasmic penis directly out of the pussy or ass and cum in the starlets mouth for cying out loud. Don't waste my time and cash with boring money shots.
One of the worst things about US porn. I guess its a result of using the same guys over and over again, guys doing multiple shoots everyday, no sensation/feeling left in their cock.
Hate to name names but John Strong is one of the guiltiest culprits out there. Its almost liek the guy needs to take a month off just to get a bit of feeling back in his cock.
So many scenes I've seen with him in are great scenes for the first 20 minutes, then the final 4 or 5 minutes you call he's banging away as hard as he can in an effort to make himself cum.
And its usually these guys, John included, that end up producing the weakest cumshots too.
I think I'd rather watch a newer guy who maybe isn't as reliable a woodsman, but who isn't so burnt out and can shot a load a bit more spontaneously.
This topic gets a ton of play on the boards, but the reasons the guy is jerking off to pop are simple:
1) They are using viagra. This makes your dick numb. Only by furiously yanking your own crank can you get a pop shot. 2) The pop shot must be "on demand," or at least appear that way. The reason for the cut between fucking and yanking off to a pop is because it took 10 minutes of yanking to get the pop produced. See number 1 above. 3) Porn is fantasy, the guy isn't "into" the girl, there's no chemistry, the guy is tired after his last shoot, the girls body is not providing enough stimulation to provide the guy with an easy O, etc etc etc. Likely related to number 1 above, but could also simply be because he can't get off any other way than to close his eyes and masturbate to climax.
Porn is not reality. Guys jack off to cum simply because they have to, not because anyone wants to watch them jack off.
You know...I keep seeing these posts. The only thing I can think of is that most of them must be made by female posters. Any male over 14 would know that this is a completely unrealistic expectation...particularly if you expect to see it every time.
Plus....I like the jack off cum shots. I think all the "no hands" shit is stupid. To each his own.
I really think what most of us "want," is to have the length of the guy's stroking himself off edited to an acceptable length of time (say 15-seconds or less).
Unless the girl is doing something interesting while the stud is stroking himself off (e.g. teasing the tip of his cock with her mouth, fondling his balls and/or part of his cock, making great sex-talk and/or eye-contact), assuming the "bird-chick-waiting-to-be-fed" position while the stud takes over a minute to jerk himself off is just deadly.
That wouldn't be me because I like seeing a guy stroke off even if the face-blast bird-feeder scenario gets a bit thin.
Logistically getting from pussy or ass to face mid stroke and the camera man paying enough attention to actually capture that moment is risky as far as getting one shot to get it on video. It'd be much easier just to have the guy jerk off right there at the girls face. More practical when you're churning out scene after scene.
It's still straight porn if a guy is jacking himself off on a woman's face. Actually, it is still straight porn if its a guy and a girl jacking off themselves watching each other. Although it might be labeled "masturbation" as a sub-category.
I don't mind watching a guy jacking himself off to give a nice coating to a girl I like. I'd prefer she'd do it, but I don't mind. What I do mind if it appears that he is furiously jacking to get there because he appears not be aroused by her.
I don't buy DVD's to watch a guy jack off...period. That's a masturbation flick. If the guy has to masturbate himself to get off, then something is wrong with the talent, the director or both.
Vote with your wallet, I suppose. When watching sex scenes solo, I always fast forward past the male masturbation shots. When watching with my wife, she usually wants to see that part, and for her I can understand. I enjoy watching female masturbation, she enjoys watching males. But as a straight male, I've no desire to watch a guy masturbate. It doesn't matter to me if he's doing it onto a woman. I don't mind the guy who grabs his dick and points it at the moment of climax....that's not beating off for the viewer. But I simply won't watch him pull out and then yank his crank for a minute or more...that's just watching a beat-off flick.
If she jerks him off, great!
If she sucks him off, even better!
If he comes inside of her pussy/ass, perfect!
If he starts beating off to finish the scene.....NEXT!
Agreed. And I'm sorry about the comment about it must be all females posting that. I was irritated at the time and didn't realize how ignorant it sounded. I actually think women probably understand men far better than most of us understand women.
The best scene for this is "Sexpose: Nikki Benz". In the BTS there is a part where Nikki is on all fours waiting for Mick Blue to cum on her ass. It takes several minutes before he pops. It breaks the illusion of the scene, but it's fascinating to see what actually transpires.
"A day without the Intimate Juices of a Woman... is like a day without sunshine!" 26 Posts 6/07
Posted - Jun 25 2007 : 12:17PM
I have to agree..... in over 500 movies, I think I only had to Jerk to pop a few times... usually because the girl was too sore... or on her period and the make-up sponge wasnt holding back the flow... I think it's natural to 'Fuck to Pop' and a complete insult for a guy to have to 'Jerk to Pop' Can you imagine what the woman must be thinking about her pussy if these guys dont fuck to pop... I really get into the eye contact with who I am working with just as I ramp up to pop... you can see the excitement in the woman's eyes then... it's hot... Just before the pop, I usually have the woman, 'Set Up the Pop' which means we fuck, I say I'm gonna cum and she dives to the floor, moves this way or that way.. wherever the director wants us, with the light perfect... we make 100% sure we can get into whatever position the director wants us in without stepping on eachother, crossing camera, ect... making sure it's a smooth move... if in 'Rehersal' the move isnt perfect, I have her do it again... until it's just right.. the directors appreciate it, because I have seen people step on feet, roll over on someone's hair, Male performer crossing camera, ect... so, then we fuck for 2 more minutes, pinch off, and let it pump out... One funny story was a director who kept blowing the Circuit Breaker with his 1 and 2 K lights... like 4 times in the shoot.. I told him to plug into the Garbage Disposal outlet which is higher amp, and designated... he didnt listen to me, and RIGHT AT THE POP... >>> I had to pinch off so hard it was total torture.. he reset the breaker and started with his usual "Camera Speeding, we're sharp... and Action" B.S. I dont remember anything much more painful than holding back a load for probably 50 seconds... but at least the pop shot was saved.. he tipped me an extra $50.00 for saving the Pop Shot. I didnt know until reading this thread that editors leave in more than a few seconds of 'Jerking to Pop' in a scene (I dont watch very much porn at all) Pussy feels great to me.. and I can always pop within a minute or two at the most when the director calls for the Pop Shot... I have even had a few directors act suprised when they ask me how I like to pop when I say "I fuck to pop" ... seems strange to me that fucking wouldnt get these guys off on a regular basis.... even after all the women I have had and all the scenes, I still have to stop every once in a while to NOT pop in a scene when fucking.. like "Yeah, taste your pussy juices off my cock" just a break from pussy that I call "Danger Pussy" it keeps me close to cuming the whole time... isnt that what sex should feel like? I mean it's Pussy... it should feel completly awesome, right? I guess I am not Jaded.... -Jack Lawrence JackLawrenceXXX.com
Edited by - JackLawrenceXXX on 6/25/2007 12:29:37 PM
Yet another great post Jack. While I understand the NEED for some guys to jerk-off-to-pop, I never have understood the DESIRE for a viewer to prefer to watch a guy jack off than to watch a girl GET the guy off using her own body. If anyone is jaded, I think it's the viewers...they just expect to see a male jacking off as part of porn as "the norm."
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If The Good Times Did Not Last Then Believe Me Me The Bad Times Shall Also Passs 100 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jun 27 2007 : 12:50PM
With every new post that I read of Jack Lawrence,I look upto him a very notches higher with respect and admiration.The guy actually talks so much sense that it is both interesting as well as refreshing to say the very least. In the sex factory where everybody is soo much on their own trip Jack comes across as being normal and down to earth which sadly cannot be said of too many performers.. The only time they pretend to be normal and go out to project themselves as the guy next door kind of "Hail Brother Well Met" attitude is when they're either struggling to make their presence felt or when they're sliding down the charts to the bottom....The rest of the time they behave like surly rappers with a "U can kiss my ass or lump it...Don't give a fucking frigg attitude" Maybe it's where he hails from or his upbringing that has kept him rooted to his grassroots even after having done 500 scenes(his claim not mine...though no reason to disbelieve this hunk). Edited by - hardware on 6/27/2007 2:54:36 PM
"A day without the Intimate Juices of a Woman... is like a day without sunshine!" 26 Posts 6/07
Posted - Jun 27 2007 : 1:15PM
Thanks for the props... both of you... I just enjoy sharing my experiences with you.... there's a lot of mystery to this profession... a lot of misconstruded facts... I just call is as I see it, and enjoy letting people see a little deeper into this world... believe me, the last 4 years of my life have been very interesting to say the least... P.S. There's a FILMOGRAPHY page on my website JackLawrenceXXX.com that shows my 500+ credits... -Jack Lawrence JackLawrenceXXX.com
Quoted for truth. It really loses the fantasy aspect. Either creampie or actually finish the job. If the guy can't get off otherwise, stop hiring impotent and/or gay men. Edited by - hardware on 6/28/2007 11:31:31 AM
As Jello's frustration states, the issue isn't simply the idea of males masturbating to climax, but the incredibly mundane, detached, wholesale methodology of its execution.
At some point, when the director is either instructing the talent, or the talent instructing the director, I expect somebody says, "..then we'll switch up for the popshot", and at that point, unless somthing else is requested, everyone understands the "popshot" as Jello's depiction. These days I consider it garbage, basically no different than repackaging old porn under new titles, and while still a notch or two above using fake cum, they're not fooling anybody, er other than perhaps Random P.[o\|] Compounding matters, is the often unspoken, though likely widely held opinion, that most male porn stars, haven't got a clue about how they're being perceived, and that despite the fact their audience is primarily comprised of god fearing, heterosexual males, observing on some vicarious, straight-laced, quasi-translational level, exactly how they beat off, actually does matter. Watch any GGG flick, and you'll also see meat beatin, but their interest in the female is clearly genuine, and their attitude is like its the first piece they've seen in years, and the last, which judging by some of the heavy breathing wheezers, may in fact be the case. Edited by - Endless Loop on 6/28/2007 7:23:16 AM
