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| -Kelly- Senior Member 2517 Posts 5/03 |  Posted - Dec 29 2003 : 3:47PMHey, how's it going, I just took my first look at "Fuckdolls", Red Light's newest, and am disappointed. The action is great. The sex is hot. Malone does a great job of filming it. However, I guess I am spoiled by the Jules Jordan and Mike John director's cuts but I rented this for Nautica Thorn and Delilah Stone and Nautica's scene is only 21 minutes long which is okay though a bit shorter than I expected considering that she is the boxcover girl. The real surprise is that despite the fact that she is featured prominently in the center of the backcover Delilah's scene is a ridiculously short 13 minutes long. And in the bts section this apparently written off with the text message "Delilah got a little bitchy at the end." This is the shortest non-BJ, non-DVD extra Red Light scene I have ever seen. It really pissed me off. And then the offered compensation is that Jynx's scene is 27 minutes long which would have been nice if I found her attractive at all. Let me re-iterate that what I saw was good. I am just really disappointed in the lenght. Kelly PS...The phrase "Delilah got a little bitchy at the end" pops up as they are shooting stills of her after her two partners have covered her face in cum. I hope that her visibly wanting to get the pics over with and asking for something to wipe her face off with wasn't what they were calling "a little bitchy." If you watch enough bts stuff you'll see that plenty of girls act like that when they have cum on their face. Edited by - tscfan317 on Dec 29 2003 [Link] |
| Tom Member 833 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 29 2003 : 4:15PM [Link] |
| M.B. Senior Member 1679 Posts 2/01 | Posted - Dec 29 2003 : 5:32PM Two of the scenes in this were way too short. A couple of the girls were damn ugly. And the action wasn't even close to being hard enough. It didn't match Slave Dolls intensity at all. And it's not just with this title, but I wonder why everybody on this board keeps praisng RLD's movies so much. They are plagued by bad dvd transfers (sometimes), every movie begins to look the same, ugly chicks making their way into the flicks, and Steve Holmes being in every fuckin' title. I'm sure he's a good guy, but enough is enough. Same with PXP, they're in the same boat. Lately their discs look like the master they use in the transfer to dvd are second generation dubs, very dull and almost blurry picture. RLD and PXP have also been using some sorry ass black guy recently that couldn't fuck his way out of a paper bag. Why not use the big guns Lex, Mandingo, Pumper, or Marcus? Other than Mike John's stuff, it's hit and miss with them. This company is way too busy cranking out a title a week than making sure they release quality stuff with a decent transfer. [Link] |
| -Kelly- Senior Member 2517 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Dec 29 2003 : 7:44PM If you want to compare this one to "Slave Dolls" then I see your points. I would say the problem with "Fuck Dolls" is that it does not know what it wants to be. Look at Nautica or Mary Kate's scene and it looks like a young girls getting fucked pretty hard type of tape. However, look at Lauren Phoenix and especially Jynx's scene and it looks like it does not belong at Red Light. They look like Platinum X type rough scenes. And what the hell was that with Jynx's scene. Stefano nearly chokes the girl to death during the scene and she loves it. And her moans sound like weird cries of pain. And with Nautica and Delilah I got the impression that the scenes were so short simply because the girls wouldn't do anal, though Mary Kate-s anal-less scene is like 25 minutes long. To harp again on Delilah's 12 min. 30 sec. scene: If I wanted to see a 12 minute scene I would not have rented a Red Light District tape. If there were problems on set with her, as is indicated by the text in the bts "She got bitchy", then either dump the scene on a dvd as a quick bonus scene or don't edit the hell out of it like you seemed to have done. Not too long ago Joey Silvera shot a scene with Cherry Lane. He wrote on his website that it was a great shoot and she was real hot but they went for moody lighting and after watching the tape realized they just plain lit the scene too dark. It was not up to his standards so he dumped it on a DVD as a bonus scene. Delilah's scene does not seem to be plagued by such problems but if 12 minutes of footage is all they could muster then they should have shelved it and got another girl to do a full scene to complete the tape. (Of course I am speaking idealistically and am not considering the realities of money and budget) I like Red Light District and right now Erik Everhard, Vince, and Mike John are kicking ass. However, as I review most of the new ones for www.bluedoor.com I too kind of get them lost in my memory as they do tend to look the same. And I was kind of disappointed in "Black Dicks in White Chicks #6", "1 Dick 2 Chicks", and "Throat Gaggers #5" (too rough for my tastes) but I liked "Sport Fucking", "NCDA #2", and "Young Ripe Mellons #4." As for your Steve Holmes thing I'm not sure what you are talking about. I've seen Erik Everhard and Michael Stefano in more of their stuff recently than Holmes. (Is Holmes even in "Fuck Dolls?") And I also haven't noticed any bad transfers like you mention.
PS...If Jake Malone really was trying to do his own "Slave Dolls" then he failed. However, I really do not think that is what he was trying to do. I actually thought Lauren, Nautica, and Mary's scenes were pretty hot. Lena was pretty good, though for some reason I couldn't get over the fact that she was working with the man with a third arm Mark Ashley for her first anal scene. The foreign guy who worked with Delilah and Lauren really seemed to get them going. What we might have here is a guy who wanted to film some rough stuff to his own liking and some of the girls went farther than the other ones. Once he gets some more experience under his belt I think he could be great because despite all of my complaints about this tape I don't think it's that bad. I was just expecting too much. Edited by - tscfan317 on 12/29/2003 8:03:17 PM Edited by - tscfan317 on 12/29/2003 9:00:43 PM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 2:00AM More input anyone? [Link] |
| SyberScott Senior Member 1462 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 4:40AM flick overall! Please Nautica do some anal soon! RLD/PXP's DVD video quality has gotten better. [Link] |
| T.L.Tycoon Member 416 Posts 12/03 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 6:15AM [Link] |
| M.B. Senior Member 1679 Posts 2/01 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 9:09AM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 12:12PM [Link] |
| T.L.Tycoon Member 416 Posts 12/03 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 1:31PM [Link] |
| -Kelly- Senior Member 2517 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 1:47PM First off, Jake Malone did mention all ready that he had cutey Alex Devine for a scene in "Throat Gaggers #6" and that he and another guy worked her over real, real hard and she loved it. So you have that to look forward to. To back off from my mostly ignored analysis of this tape I guess I just wasn't enthralled with "Fuckdolls" because I am not into rough sex. The same goes for "Throat Gaggers #5." That was mostly too rough for me and to read that a lot of you liked the even rougher "Throat Gaggers #4" over #5 just tells me we have widely varying tastes which is to be expected in porn. I watched the peculiar girl Jynx in her scene and was uncomfortable watching Stefano nearly choke her to death while (I believe) Manuel was pounding away at her ass or whatever. And like I said she didn't so much moan as she cried out in pain (she seemed to love it), quite possibly a masochist. I look at this and think I could very well have seen such a scene in an old Extreme Associates tape and the girl looks only slightly better to me than Bisexual Britni. Somebody compared this to "Slave Dolls." I think the real problem is that I never made the connection and was not expecting such rough stuff in this tape. It was not that bad though I wouldn't call it great. However, I think Malone will soon be churning out some finer tuned stuff. And if no one has any reaction to my qualms over Delilah's scene then I won't comment on it any further.
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| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 2:04PM Also, #5 seemed rough enough to me. Besides, I appreciated Jake's attention to details like tease, set-up, outfits and (mostly) the casting -- scenes like the one with Canadian Emily and the too cute Lucy Lee (right?) totally rocked for me, as did the Nautica stuff. And Jynx is just ... amazing. SUCH a turn-on, her submissiveness and the way Jake kept teasing her and trying to push her buttons. Hot! I can't WAIT to see what happens to her in "Fuck Dolls," even though it does sound a little disturbing. [Link] |
| M.B. Senior Member 1679 Posts 2/01 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 2:37PM As far as the Throat Gaggers series goes, in #4 the action was WAY too tame. To call it Throat Gaggers was false advertising in my opinion. I expected this movie to have more intense action than it really had. #5 wasn't all that bad as far as the action goes and I would have bought it, but there was some dude with one of the skinniest cocks I've ever seen in porn, and to be perfectly honest ruined the movie, for my liking anyway. Slap Happy remains the best rough blowjob series ever made. The Throat Gaggers and Gag Factor series don't even come close, they pale in comparison.
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| T.L.Tycoon Member 416 Posts 12/03 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 5:31PM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 30 2003 : 7:38PM For me, if the rough action becomes a thing unto itself, the director is missing the point. What I liked about #5 was how Jake took time to dialogue with his actresses, and bring out some personalities -- before they were rendered "filthy mops," per se. Makes it a lot more enjoyable for me, less "anonymous fuck toy," and, geez, Tony T's smokin' salami sandwiches would seem to compensate for the occasional green banana or two! [Link] |
| JakeMalone Red Light District 121 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Dec 31 2003 : 12:03PM
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| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Dec 31 2003 : 12:50PM [Link] |
| JakeMalone Red Light District 121 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Dec 31 2003 : 4:04PM TSC, I apologise for the length of the Delilah scene. When a movie is edited, the first time though, you often have too many minutes to fit on a VHS, so you have to go back through and,"cut for time." The scene that you cut the most from will be the scene,(or girl) that you like the least. You probably would have liked more Delilah and less Jynx. I like Jynx a lot. She is a facinating study in sexual submission, as you can see from her interview, and her scene. The fact that you found Jynx unattractive is purely subjective. I'm sorry you didn't like her, I think she's cute. Delilah, on the other hand, was asking me," How much more do you need?, Are we gonna be done soon?" during breaks, which is a clear indication that she has zero interest in being there and just wants to get done, get her check and leave. This kind of attitude is a total turn-off for me and for the male talent. The time-per-scene question brings up an issue that my friend Michael Stefano and I have discussed at length and I would be interested in opinions from you guys. Would you rather see five scenes in a movie,(average length 27 mins.) or six scenes,(average length 23 mins.)? Having said all of this; you're right, we probably should have balanced the scene times to a closer average, but I find it hard to leave stuff in that I don't think is good just to make a scene the right length, and I hate to "cut for time" if the scene is good. As for the issue of bad transfers that M.B. mentions; I know almost nothing about digital technology but a curious thing happened a few months back that maybe speaks to this. I was watching a PXP title on my Panasonic DVD player at home. There was really bad pixalization. I brought it in to the office and played it on the Samsung player here and didn't see any of the pixalization that I saw on the Panasonic player. It looked great. How this could be, and how much the image varies from player to player I don't know. Other PXP titles look fine on both players as do RLD titles. This might explain why M.B. sees a dull, blurry image and myself and Shronker say,"What does he mean?" Maybe someone who knows more about this syndrome could comment. You guys at ADT are a "tough room" to play. You are obsessive in your analysis. You don't miss a thing and you are brutally honest. I love that! You are the kind of porn watchers that I love to hear from. Input from porn fans who really love porn can only help me do this better. [Link] |
| -Kelly- Senior Member 2517 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Dec 31 2003 : 5:37PM Quick response: Jake, you are not alone in your fascination with Jynx. I just checked out "Spring Chickens 6" and her scene is extraordinary long there too. Tony T works her over and then they do the pop shot and she says she wants more so John Strong works her over for like another 10 minutes. And Chico devoted a fair amount Jynx footage to the dvd extras, including Jynx's view on sexuality where she essentially admits my suspicions that she is a masochist. She says something about how she loves it when it hurts so much that her whole body becomes numb and starts tingling which is the only time she can cum. If I were attracted to Jynx I would be fascinated too. However, I'm not into real rough stuff and the only girl who I have ever followed to those kinds of scenes is Taylor St. Claire but even she went too far for my tastes. If Jynx sticks around I imagine we will see her in some really weird scenes and if Jynx looked like Taylor then i'd be interested. But she doesn't and I'm not interested. I wonder how long it takes for her to end up on Khan Tusion's collection of websites, where they will delight in seeing how far she will go. By the by, upon watching the "Fuckdolls" extras again I noticed Delilah asking you how much more you needed as you said so I can understand your decision and the line about her getting bitchy more. And when she is shooting stills she was definitely being bitchy, laughing when you asked her to put her finger on her lips. As a fan of Delilah's the only defense I can muster is that she has never acted like this in other scenes but then again those other ones might have edited around it.
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| M.B. Senior Member 1679 Posts 2/01 | Posted - Dec 31 2003 : 8:13PM As far as the picture quality goes. I've got a Sony and it works well. I've got a lot of discs from many different companies so I don't think the problem is the player. I didn't get a Samsung specifically because sometimes it has a hard time playing burned dvd's (blank dvd's that have been recorded on). Fuck Dolls had great picture quality, but some titles like EE's Sportfucking #1 hard major pixelation. This was before you guys stopped putting tons of trailers as extras. But I still see a few recent RLD titles here and there that have some bad pixelation. And a few of PXP's titles look to have a picture that is kind of dull, like I said beofre almost like they didn't use the original tape for the transfer but used a second generation copy resulting in a dull picture. I saw this in at least two of PXP's recent titles, the names of which I can't remember right now but I'll post them later if I can jog my memory. Edited by - M.B. on 12/31/2003 8:13:46 PM [Link] |
| rjk13 Member peace, love and revolution 321 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Dec 31 2003 : 10:38PM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 31 2003 : 11:50PM However, as for scenes/length, I'll tell ya: I like it when there are more scenes and girls on a "director's cut" DVD -- 6 scenes is a good minimum number, or even 7-9, and some could run 30 or 40 minutes if they are that great, and others can be quickies -- some of the best stuff on RLD titles is the short blowjob scenes. Ideally, if you can fit 3:30 on a DVD, then I think the whole runtime should be the movie -- maybe tack on some fun behind the scenes stuff, and if you have little short sex scenes that might work as "boner footage," well, hell, just edit it into the main movie, like a little appetizer between the main courses. Jake, one thing I liked in "Gaggers #5" was the occasionally 2-girl scene. I never really liked that German girl Victoria all that much, but seeing her dominate Maggie Star was awesome -- suddenly, Victoria really clicked for me. I love scenes where one girl takes charge of the other one, and when the chemistry is cooking (like with Emily and Lucy), wow -- you can't beat it (well, you CAN beat "it" and you ARE ] I also thought Cynara was incredible in that movie (which, technically, is off-topic for a thread called "Fuck Dolls," but anyhow ....maybe it's close enough). [Link] |
| JakeMalone Red Light District 121 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Jan 1 2004 : 2:42PM ["First off, Jake Malone did mention all ready that he had cutey Alex Devine for a scene in "Throat Gaggers #6" and that he and another guy worked her over real, real hard and she loved it. So you have that to look forward to .....I am not into rough sex./"] [Link] |
| Renee Member 765 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Jan 1 2004 : 4:36PM I saw the color defect problem on my new Panasonic DVD player, and on my Samsung DVD-ROM on my computer. It's not a pixelation problem, it's something else. It would be interesting to see if it's only on the DVD's, or present on the original tape, or on the VCR tapes. As for length of scenes - I've watched gonzo films that had 3, 4, 5 or 6 scenes. What matters more is how exciting or stale the footage is. I've seen 23 minute scenes that were as boring as hell, and 45 minutes scenes that you can't take your eyes off of. So, that's my perspective on this. [Link] |
| -Kelly- Senior Member 2517 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Jan 1 2004 : 4:48PM "So TSC, I'm confused. If, as you say, you"re not into rough sex then why are you looking forward to Alex getting worked? I have been editing TG#6 with Mason and I can tell you if you're not into rough sex you will NOT like this scene. It is over the top" Ah-ha! Trying to shoot holes in my credibilty are you? Well, not today! Okay, I am bored and wanted to be real dramatic. Sorry about that. If you re-read what I said I never mentioned that I was personally looking forward to Alex Devine's scene in "Throat Gaggers #6." I said "So you have that to look forward to." Basically I started this thread about "Fuckdolls" and it kind of twisted off into a side discussion about your direction in the "Throat Gaggers" series and sensing that some people here really liked or at least purchased "#5" I just thought they might like to know that bit about Alex Devine you dropped in another thread a while back. I am not into really rough stuff and if I didn't really find Nautica's scene in #5 arousing then I doubt I would find Alex's scene in #6 arousing either. Easy misunderstanding on your part though. It's all just semantics. And again similar to Nautica with #5 I was pretty much just hoping that "Throat Gaggers #6" wouldn't be the only film Alex did this time around with Red Light. A future "Fuckdolls" perhaps? And yeah the luscious St. Claire is indeed ridiculously sexy. As I indicated earlier if Taylor were the one in Jynx's place I would have loved the scene as I've seen Taylor do stuff like that before. Perhaps part of the reason I was kind of turned off by Jynx is because that was the first real time I had seen her in a scene and just wasn't expecting what happened. I do hope that Ms. St. Claire makes a comeback before long because she started shying away from heavy gonzo work basically around the time that PlatinumX and RedLight and all of these other new companies were just getting started. There are so many new directors (like you for example) and performers that she could work with. The sad thing is I do have to wonder how open RedLight and other companies would be to her considering the obsession with getting all new girls every tape. For her I'd like to think they'd make an exception...But I digress because I talk about Taylor a bit too often around here... And you mentioned that the Mike Johns and Erik Everhards live and breath porn. I found that kind of funny because just recently I watched the extras on the "No Cum Dodging Allowed #2" disc and there is a great bit where Erik is sitting at a computer looking at pictures of girls and he gets all horny just looking at the picture of the girl they had just shot. He calls it his whack-off material. John even seemed surprised as he tells him something like, "You just did a scene with her. You shot two pops," and Erik responds, "But she left before I could get a third." It was a reminder to me of just how horny some of these male performers must be. The concept of a male pornstar getting ready to get off to a picture of a girl he had just had sex with minutes ago had never occurred to me until then.
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