Has anyone heard anything else about the release of this scene, reportedly shot by Paul Thomas?
Thanks
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AC Cream Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 27 2004 : 9:50AM
This whole rumor is COMPLETE 100% BS. These rumors come from a lesser known forum that gets bored with their day to day nothing happening, so they make up these rumors. The base of where this rumor came from is the press release about Janine doing guys. Vivid listed a bunch of guys in good standing with Vivid that you MIGHT see Janine in a scene with. It wasn't a list of guys she was already inline to work with. What really threw up warning flags for me is the lame photos the people that started this rumor posted as proof that the scene took place. The photos really appeared to be from a resort. I'm believe it was most likely from hedonism or something like it. Janine was completely nude with wet and stringy hair like she just got back from swimming WHILE Mr. Marcus was fully clothed. The interaction the photos showed seemed to be 2 old acquaintances seeing each for the first time in a while NOT 2 people that just finished fucking on film. This rumor came from the same place that started the rumor that Taylor Rain shot a BJ scene with Mr. Marcus. Both have been around for a long while and we have seen NO legit proof of either. That is because as I said before....
These RUMORS are complete 100% BS.
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Posted - Nov 27 2004 : 12:38PM
We all know that the proof is in the pudding, and since I was not there to wittness the act, I truly can't confirm the claim.
What I do know is this. #1, the forum you speak of can't be to small if you have the time to be so well versed in the daily goings on. #2 Mr. Marcus told me that the scene went down, and I haven't caught him in a lie yet. The is the same talk that happend in Paradise Lost. The title came out, and people started pointing fingers and calling people liars. Months later when the DVD dropped. You say Marcus & Julia Ann straight up 1 on 1. Even if the Janine scene doesn't drop, I'll still take Marcus at his word. That cat keeps his cool, and does stoop to the pettines of some.
Either way, until you get Janine to call bullshit, I suggest you refrain from throwing salt, cause when the wind blows back on you, your eyes are gonna burn.
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AC Cream Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 27 2004 : 1:58PM
Pocketcomb_Pimp,
Please don't misunderstand me man Sean & Marcus are 2 of the male Pornstars I respect most. I have not seen where Sean said it took place just like you haven't seen where Janine said it didn't. Didn't you say back in the past thread that Marcus's Webmaster told you about these 2 scenes? I believe it's all a ploy to cause a buzz and bring traffic to that lame forum that Webmaster runs or is affiliated with. I will give this person credit for choosing 2 females that don't have internet pressences to shoot down these rumors. I can tell you 100% that as of middle of Octbober no such 3-some had been shot or booked. As for the Taylor Rain BJ scene. I find it hard to believe a company is sitting on and loosing a major market opportunity such as a Star that has said over and over that she wouldn't do IR.
I usually prefer to lurk over here at ADT but i thought i'd take the time to actually register here if not only to talk about this topic.
I know you listen to Ksex radio AC, i don't know whether it's all the shows or just some in particular. If you listened to Cytherea's show "Goddess Of Gush" about a about week (maybe 2) back her co-host Harry Weiss (sp?) confirmed that the scene did indeed happen when they were having a conversation about Rocco saying Janine could only handle softer scenes.
Well, David Aaron Clark confirmed that the scene was indeed shot in this thread. So I suppose that he is yet another person (a director no less) that has been fooled in this insidious conspiracy by Mr. Marcus and his webmaster. Considering that the forum AC is attacking is dedicated to IR, it's not surprising that he has such a negative opinion of it.
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Pocketcomb_Pimp Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 27 2004 : 6:02PM
Conte,
Welcome to ADT. After spending a while here you will see why it's neccesary to have a seperate place dedicated to IR. There are some supporters here, but ultimately it's not a popular topic. Unfortunately you also get people that call "Bullshit" as well.
Either way, good porn is good porn the wame way a rumor is a rumor, but in this case I'm still supporting Marcus. As stated above, that cat is 100% on info regarding him. He has no reason to lie, and I have not read anywhere where Janine, or Taylor have denied the works in question.
It's like Lucy Lee, she doesn't list IR on her profile, yet Sean Michaels continues to go anal on her every other month in a new release.
AC Cream this rumor or fact seems to really bother you. Why?
Pocketcomb Pimp can you share the address of some black and interracial forums? I truly enjoy Adultdvdtalk, but you're right, black and interracial porn discussion doesn't have a large presence here as I would like. ADT is still a great board though.
AC has issues with those types of scenes. Frankly, I wouldn't believe this if I hadn't seen a few people from the industry confirm that the scene happened, and I haven't seen anyone say it wasn't true. This is a high traffic forum for porners, so I'm still waiting for someone of standing in the industry to say that it didn't happen. AC's proof that the scene didn't happen is the fact Janine's hair looked wet in a few purported onset pics that she took with Marcus. I'm also perplexed by his claim that Mr. Marcus and someone that he is associated with just go around lying about scenes with other performers in order to get his website a few more hits. Wouldn't this piss a lot Mr. Marcus's co-workers off? And wouldn't we have heard about it from someone other than AC Cream (champion of every porn girl's virtues)?The only one that I know of is the one that has been called into question on this thread. This is a link to the message board on mrmarcus.com
Edited by - brice p on 11/27/2004 6:44:46 PM
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Pocketcomb_Pimp Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 27 2004 : 10:59PM
This is ADT, so I won't be promoting any other boards without the consent of Steph or Drew, but it appears that Brice has left a good enough clue.
IR is discussed there, but the board itself is nothing like ADT. Talent and insiders are welcome, but none are courted, or held up. Topics are frank, and tact is not always used by all members.
Either way, ADT is a hot spot, but regardless of moderation or ownership, there are posters that would assume we come through the back door, and I'm not talking about anal.
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AC Cream Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 28 2004 : 1:45AM
Brice P,
You are really sick with this racial issue YOU have. OF COURSE you missed where I said Sean and Marcus are 2 of the Male stars I respect most. That doesn't help you with your attacks. All the proof that this scene took place is heard from. I heard from this guy that heard from this other guy.
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Posted - Nov 28 2004 : 3:02AM
Hello a beautiful mind,
Let me answer your question that was directed to me NOT Brice P(who took it upon himself to spread more lies about my feelings). Yes I am bothered by these rumors, the places they come from, and the intentions behind them. The people that support the IR addiction don't want people to speak out about it's BS. They want us to stay silent. I'm not at a point tonight that I want to lay all my details out. I will say it's NO coincidence that there is repeated talk by this group of people about Stars that haven't or say they won't do IR. You don't see many posts about when Bridgette Kerkove is gonna do her 25th IR scene or when Shawnie & Sophia are going to do their 50th IR scene. That's because the addiction has taken all it wants from these females. It wants the fresh new meat.
No AC, don't try to backtrack and go on the defensive. You have issues, not me. Initially there was a rumor about Janine working with Lexington Steele when the story about her return to porn and foray into B/G scenes broke. That rumor was quickly dispelled. Like I said earlier, I did not believe the current story until I heard people from the industry confirm the scene. I gave a link to a thread where David Aaron Clark (who is an active poster here) said that the scene did in fact happen. I'm just a fan that posts on a porn forum, so I don't know what's really true or false. If industry insiders descend upon this thread in droves and tell us that it didn't happen, I'll accept that. I'd have questions about why nobody came forward to quash this rumor a few months ago, but I'll still accept it. I also have questions with regards to your accusation about Mr. Marcus's webmaster telling lies to promote his website. Wouldn't anyone in the industry have said something about Mr. Marcus by now? As for a studio's motivation to keep an unreleased IR scene from the public, you would have to ask the decision makers. It's not unheard of. Julia Ann did a scene with Sean Michaels that never saw the light of day. You can see pics of it here. Of course, my only proof is a link to the aforementioned "lame" forum which is (in AC Cream's book) a house of ill-repute and a den of lies and corruption. So those pics may very well have been doctored in a pathetic attempt to generate publicity for that forum, but it looks like Sean Michaels fucking Julia Ann to me.
AC, you keep sticking your foot in your mouth via your keyboard and I'll keep responding to your posts. If you can generate any credentials as porn industry insider and produce some evidence (other than Janine's wet hair) that this is "100% bullshit" and a publicity stunt or if anyone else posts on this thread and says that it isn't true, I will apologize and leave you alone. Otherwise you will have to face up to the fact that you pretended to know other people's business and called Mr. Marcus and his people liars (no matter how much you claim to like him).
Yes, that damned IR addiction!!! So many have been infected We interracial fans seek to feast upon and corrupt new flesh voraciously. Who stands between us (the rabid beasts) and the innocents? AC Fucking Cream, that's who.
Janine has a forum on her official site www.realjanine.com and that is what she wrote about that scene on her own site: Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:01 pm Post subject: 'please let people know that the scene between Sean Michaels, Mr. Marcus, and myself DID in fact happen.........it's what I wanted ...it was a fantasy come true....and they rocked my world!!!I love them both dearly!!It's not released yet........and I haven't heard when either.'
This tells how far this clever ruse has gone. Either Ms. Lindemulder is involved in this plot or even worse, her website has been commandeered by Mr. Marcus and his webmaster.
Damn, where´s the image material of this set? Any smut biz insider with an example gallery as teaser . Come on folks, give it to us ...
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AC Cream Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 30 2004 : 3:38PM
Brice P,
No need to laugh at me. It's true and that's cool. As I said and will repeat. Sean Michaels & Mr. Marcus are 2 of the male Stars I respect most in the biz. Sean is one of the few guys still doing the Porn I like. Mr. Marcus has always been a good performer in my eyes. I questioned his webmaster not Mr. Marcus himself like you tried to portray Brice P. I'm glad they got the opportunity for Janine's IR and not Wesley Pipes and/or Justin Slayer.
I decided to take on this rumor(well fact) and the Taylor Rain rumor knowing I would end up being wrong in the end on both, but my only reason for doing this was to expose the hypocrisy that is the IR addicted fan base. The people that find out a Star hasn't done IR and they start questioning them so hard and so often that they do IR simply to not get the question anymore. As I have said many times I enjoy the occasional IR as much as the next guy, but I think it has gone to an addiction level like other things in the industry.
AC, the absurdity of this crusade of yours is overwhelming. I guess I'm one of those "IR fiends" that you are referring to. More than half of the porn in my collection is interracial or all-black. The reason: I'm black. Despite the fact that I'm open to many types of scenes, I relate to the movies better when the male performer looks like me. If you've read any of my other posts on this subject, you would know that I don't approve of fans insulting performers for not doing IR. I firmly believe that it's the performer's choice. End of story. God knows, I don't want to watch scenes without any chemistry. You've taken note of the actions of a few people with bad manners and made a horrible generalization about anyone that likes interracial scenes. Someone asked a simple question about a scene on this thread and you took it upon yourself to start ranting and make baseless accusations about a well-known performer (that's the forum for his website, so you were attacking him). If you prefer to watch interracial in moderation that's your choice, but I don't understand why you think that it is necessary to insult people that take more of an interest in it every time that someone even mentions an IR scene.
Hey Brice, I'm an interracial fiend too and proud of it! I got more interracial stuff in my porn collection than anything else and believe it or not, I'm white. Call it penis envy, subconscious desire or whatever, I just like seeing hot white babes taking black slabs of meat up their ass. Speaking which, I wouldn't mind seeing this alleged scene with Janine but I'm actually more interested in what Justin Slayer and his pipe layers have lined up for their next anal assault.
So what if Janine's IR scene was filmed? It is Vivid policy (as well as Wicked's) not to have its white girls do IR for its 35mm product that goes to cable.
If it doesn't make the final cut, then it doesn't count. The scene was filmed just to keep Janine happy, so she has a little private joke to show her friends.
i'm sure it's not in writing and it's a smoky-room deal between the owners, lawyers like cambria, and the cable companies. they've probably shown a few "safe" scenes to make it inequality versus exclusion. so that makes it a tough case, seeing as there's no actual policy and they can produce an example of the IR scenes they supposedly don't shoot.
Actually, Conte, institutional racism does not make me happy - it makes my blood boil (and I'm white, BTW).
What I said makes sense given the history of Vivid, and your snide reply adds nothing to the discussion.
A court case where such companies would have to account in public for this policy would be fantastic. The company would have to show that the IR scene in question was on the videotape that was distributed to your average sex shop outlet, and not just a rare, company-made sample.
I just think it’s highly dubious that a company like Vivid would waste money shooting a scene for a girl who is not contractually obligated to them just so she could have a private giggle amongst her girlfriends.
Janine isn't just anyone to Vivid - she was their biggest star (after Ginger Lynn, of course) in the 1990s, so a little "thank you" sex scene isn't so surprising.
Just don't expect Vivid's hospitality to show up on a commercially-released 35mm videotape, that's all.
I'm pretty sure I know the answer here, but ... where is this "policy" about white contract stars and IR posted? Vivid certainly doesn't focus on IR as much as some (maybe most) companies, but:
Mobster's Wife House of Sleeping Beauties 3 Masseuse 3 Mi Vida
are all Vivid 35mm big-ticket productions that included IR with contract players. Has something changed over the last couple years, relating to this "policy"?
Mr. Marcus @ AEBN
Posted - Nov 27 2004 : 12:28AM
