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niterunner
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84 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 10:15AM
Jenna Jameson is smart,without a doubt. I am sure she has had help marketing herself, but I'm sure she figured out some herself. I guess my question is, is it more that she has a covergirl face or she just knows how to market herself.
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 11:14AM
Ask herself, she's a forum regular.
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 11:52AM
I'd say it has to be both along with the usual ingredients for success; a plan, funding, a killer work ethic, a lot of determination and some luck.
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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1881 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 11:54AM
this is my first post ever as well.
I'm pretty sure that JJ will be posting here later, unless she gets an uncharacteristic attack of modesty. But I'll put in my two cents for now.
I will assume you have read her book. If you haven't, go find it and read it. But anyway, Yes, JJ is beautiful. But at her level, well, there aren't any contract girls who aren't beautiful. There are lots of other women in porn who are just as beautiful as or even more beautiful than JJ, depending on a person's personal preferences concerning hair color, complexion, height, build, natural breasts or implants, presence or lack of tattoos and piercings, etc. etc. So there are lots of other really gorgeous girls in porn, but you usually don't see or hear about them as much in mainstream media, whether it's a news report on the porn industry or one of those countdown list shows on VH1, or see them in advertisements for non-porn items in non-porn magazines, or see them mentioned in articles in mainstream magazines about powerful women in business and entertainment. Why not? The other girls may have perfectly nice personalities, but they don't the have the charisma or ready articulateness of Jenna.
Do we remember Muhammad Ali in 2005 more because he was a good boxer, or because he had that mouth that was always talking about how he was the greatest or reciting funny rhymes he wrote?
niterunner
Member

84 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 2:01PM
I know some people get defensive of there porn stars :) and I really don't watch much porn, just on occasion. I did read Jenna's book, and at the book store. Sorry Jenna I was broke. But what was funny was I read it in one sitting. It is is true Jenna is more articulate then a lot of mainstream actresses. For whatever reason, I always compare Jenny McCarthy to Jenna. They look a little alike, but not that much. The thing is that more people know who Jenna Jameson is then Jenny McCarthy. I would consider Jenny a "c" list celebrity. Even though you hear about her a lot about her, all her sitcoms fail. She is simply just a "hot" chick. You're right the thing about Jenna is that she has the charisma and the articulation that most DON'T have in general. In some ways, I feel bad for Jenna, because she probably has had a really rough life. But in other ways, I am super happy for her, because she is disgustly rich, and she beat the odds, she really did. People can say all the shit in the world about Jenna, but I am glad she is rich. What's even stranger is when I see Jenna Jameson on tv, I don't even think porn star, I just think "Pam Anderson" If Jenna did playboy to start, which she easily could have, she would of never made the millions she did, NEVER. And she is probably a million times richer then Jenny McCarthy. For instance, Pam Anderson could be a lot richer then she is, she just doesn't market herself as well. Jenna also appears more likeable. I don't think I will hurt Jenna's feelings, but in her book she said could easily manipulate. So sometimes, I wonder if it's the "real" Jenna or just a manipulation. Anyway, I am glad for her. 12-15 yrs ago, people probably gave a rats ass about her, I know from reading the book. And now everyone wants to know her. The one thing that is kinda bad, is Jenna is somewhat bad for porn, only that most girls in the industry really can't do what Jenna can, but *some* think they can.
 
Cock Choke Me
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378 Posts
9/04
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 3:02PM
Knowing how to market herself and intelligence outweigh beauty in this case. And I obviously dont mean she isnt hot, but like others have said there are several that are that hot and only she had the determination to get where she is at.
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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1881 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 3:32PM
I don't really consider myself a drooling fanboy of Jenna. I have rented Briana Loves Jenna and Bella Loves Jenna, both when each was a fairly new release, and have seen other scenes with Jenna on comp tapes or on pay websites, but am I Jenna's number one fan? no way. Physically, I can't dislike her, and if the scenario of a scene and her hair, makeup, and clothes happen to hit all of my turn-ons I can like her a lot for that scene, but in general she is not one of my personal favorite pornstars. But as a person, I bet she'd be an interesting person to have a long conversation with and get to know as a platonic friend. Whether she would be the real Jenna when talking to me I would have no way of knowing but I would think she would have no motive for putting up a false front when talking to a nobody who was polite, but not brown-nosing, to her.
Is Jenna raising the expectations of some girls to think that they can be as big as her, setting them up to fail? I don't think so. There have always been starry-eyed kids with dreams bigger than their talent or supply of good luck, and always will be, in every business and every genre. But they don't have to be tragedies; tragic endings usually come from drug addictions and extremely bad relationships. If you stay clean or get clean of all of that then you should be fine, even if you don't become the next big rock star, mainstream movie star, or porn star. And Jenna seems to be normally very supportive of newbies in the Adult business with advice, etc. At least that's what she said in her book and that's the impression I get when I have read some of her posts on this website.
opdjohn
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Tucson Arizona
2 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 5:35PM
I personally think its a comination of several factors that brought JJ to where she is. One she had a great team around her for much of her time at Wicked, then Vivid and now with Jay at Club Jenna. Plus she busted her ass and took inititive to be out there meaning in any mainstream venture possible. So basically you have a bit bull with great looks and from what I have seen and heard a pretty decent vocabulary and brains. Can't forget a great personality and just carisma either. She's a natural!

Also take into account that JJ has been very calculating or at least it appears that way in doing really less then 100 movies over what close to 10 yrs. Really I would also call her extremely lucky too.

I also would say that Howard Stern and E channel where super big helps also. Remember Cannes yrs ago she was everywhere.

I honestly think the difference between most girls is timing. JJ has had the luck of the timing forsure plus the backing of 3 great studios.

I personally dont ever see there being another woman in adult attaining the levels that JJ has for the simple reason of burn out and lack of great projects and market saturations. Plus there doesnt seem to be that marketablity of many girls. In todays porn closest would probably be Jesse Jane and that is a far off second. You really dont see any of the girls now days hosting an E special or VHI or anything close and Howard seems to be kind of blown out and will let any one on his show.


niterunner
Member

84 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 6:28PM
I could talk about Jenna for days, she is just seems like an all around interesting person. I'm sure her exposure on Howard Stern has helped a lot, and even though Howard let's many porn stars on the show(ie: Lori Lust what a bore), he probably mentions Jenna's name at least once a week(I listen religiously). I have a feeling Howard Stern really likes Jenna Jameson as a person. I hope that Jenna Jameson's reality tv show goes through, because it would be fun to watch. I find her more interesting then Paris Hilton or Whitney Houston. And really Paris Hilton is just a porn star herself. I think with anything, luck plays some part, but you have to have the personality and charisma to match. Jenna has both. I don't think Jenna would go on Oprah, because I believe she is on her most annoying list on annoying.com, but I swear you could have Jenna on there for a whole hour and all the housewives of the world, would be shocked your talking to a porn star. It's really Jenna's articulation that is amazing. And at this point, I doubt Jenna really cares what people think of her, because she is laughing/gackling(Robin Quivers style) all the way to the bank. Btw... I am a bit of a headcase myself, and for some reason I mentioned Jenna's success to both of my shrinks, and they knew who she was instantly.

Edited by - niterunner on 6/29/2005 6:31:42 PM

asspanther
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108 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 10:39PM
well,jenna is jenna.
simple but true.


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croy
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Posted - Jun 29 2005 : 10:49PM
A bit of both. Without looks, marketing is somewhat futile. On the other hand, Julia Roberts and Madonna have reputations as great beauties, though I cannot see it.
But I think she looked better without the plastic surgery.

You do have to remember that there are a lot of beautiful women out there, in and out of porn. Marketing took her name into the mainstream.

Phlogiston
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6/05
Posted - Jun 30 2005 : 3:44AM
Obviously Jenna is amazing looking, but that is pretty much a pre-requisite to do porn. (Unless you want to do D.P.'s with barnyard animals, in which case you can let yourself go.)

I really can't think of a pornstar who has openly presented herself to the public as a pornstar. Before her, starlets attempted to use porn as a spring-board to mainstream "actress" status, with no real success.

I also think she is personable, which allowed her to shine in her Howard Stern appearances and on the E! network. She defied the pre-conceived biases that pornstars were drug-addled bimbos from broken homes.

She's just the girl-next-door who can suck cock. How can anyone not like that?

DIAMOND DOG
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Posted - Jun 30 2005 : 4:19AM
Perhaps. I'm not saying she's not articulate, but if you're basing this on her book, than I hope you realize that "articulation" is mostly her co-author, Neil Strauss. Just compare Jenna's posts here and on her sites to the writing style in the book. If you need more proof, read the other books Neil Strauss has co-authored. How To Make Love Like A Pornstar may be Jenna's stories, but it's mostly Neil's voice.

As for the initial question, I couldn't possibly answer it better than oatmeal:

croy
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Posted - Jun 30 2005 : 4:31AM
I'm not doubting you, but when I do a training or otherwise speak in front of people in a formal way, I speak differently - different words and mannerisms. Knocking out some e-mails or posts also means some rougher edges stay.
Painless
Member

436 Posts
5/05
Posted - Jun 30 2005 : 7:12AM
Like I said before, I hardly find her beautiful (just not my cup of tea), but her relentless work in self-promotion in combination with luck and being a natural TV personality helped her become who she is. Serenity was close second.
 
Mike Rammstein
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City
101 Posts
4/05
Posted - Jul 6 2005 : 10:55AM
Jenna Jameson best!

First of all she best baby!

lukemason
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697 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jul 6 2005 : 12:00PM
Jenna is Like the Madonna Of Porn
A Grate Biz-Minded Woman :o)
Redish All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 9 2005 : 6:51AM
I vote both.

Smart and good-looking, not a common thing to be sure.

JAGnLA All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 9 2005 : 7:18AM
Janine Lindemulder (or however its spelled!) May have actually been the first. She was the first I ever saw on any sort of mainstream entertainment or talk-show who was there simply as the "pornstar" as opposed to the pornstar attempting crossover. She also had a monthly column (not a fake sex advise column as has been done before) in Esquire Magazine ...I think she waas generally the first porn star to be openly discussed and recognizable to people outside of the industry.

pardon me if I appear a tad fan-boyish, but I am! She was one of my first big porn-crushes and remains so - even though I am rarely that attracted to Blondes.

"a post in search of a signature "

TarynThomas
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2/05
Posted - Jul 10 2005 : 2:57AM
I think she is a absolute Genius, and the fact that she is beautiful makes it even better. She has done a lot for this industry I think.

XOXOX,

Taryn Thomas

veronica_mars
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Arizona
106 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jul 10 2005 : 4:28AM
People hear that, because it gets said a lot and they think it's cliche.

It's not.

Why was Madonna...Madonna? Or the Beatles...the Beatles? You can go on forever with good, solid reasons, but it's almost a waste of effort trying to REALLY understand it.

But in her business, JJ is Madonna AND the Beatles. There won't ever be anyone else like her and when you say that, it's not a knock against anyone else.

When Madonna comes into a room, other celebrities stop what they're doing and look at her. Jenna is just like that and it's really goes so far beyond looks and intelligence and work ethic, especially after you've read her book (and I paid for mine, do I get a prize? ), you almost just have to believe she was fated to be what she is.

I would guess, that there have to be times, when it's even surreal to her.

I remember seeing her with that "blowhard" Bill O'Reilly, who's very job is to lie about almost everthing and act completely sanctimonious, and when her was interviewing Jenna his head nearly blew up. He's interviewed and met beautiful people before, but this was Jenna Jameson.

It was like he was interviewing Marilyn Monroe and, in a way, he was.

Edited by - veronica_mars on 7/10/2005 4:31:53 AM

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