I love the American girls he uses. Let Chris Clark stick to shooting the European girls and let Jules stick to shooting the Yank chicks.

If Jules started doing what you just suggested all us who like the 'American stripper' look will be left in the lurch.

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There's a place for Euro-Women and a place for American Women. Let's not abandon those wonderful american women just because Eauropeans might be willing to do more extreme acts. John Stagliano said it best himself in the interview he did with Rog earlier this year,

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Euro-girls, but I just hate the idea of porn being ALL Euro-girls. :)

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I have to disagree with you.

There are tons of things that are involved behinds the scenes in making a movie that become more difficult, or simply much more expensive, by packing up and going abroad. Take two for example, booking the talent, and finding locations.

You brought up Budapest, so let’s take that as an example. Budapest became popular with a few very good movies shot with some very hot girls. But then everyone tried to jump on the bandwagon and felt that they had to shoot a Buda movie . What did we get? We got a few good ones, and quite a few that were definitely second rate.

(1) Booking the talent. I think it was Tricia Devereaux or possibly even Jules Jordan somewhere here in the forum threads that said it takes weeks and sometimes months to schedule the talent and get everything lined up with the talent that you want in your movie. If you just hop on a plane to Europe, then many times you get whatever talent is available for the short time that you are there . It may not be the hottest talent, or exactly the talent that you want, but just what is available at that time. In the Budapest example we’re using, many of the movies used talent that we had never heard of, and they were not the hotties that we wanted to see in an American made production.

(2) Location. We see some of the European productions and the settings that they use are ‘palatial’ to say the least. When you hop on a plane and zip into a place then many times you end up in a location that someone else has chosen, or simply found that is available during your short window of opportunity. Is it the ‘ideal’ location that the director and cameraman want to shoot to satisfy the artistic and creative image that they have in their mind? No, so using our Budapest example it’s many times simply what is available and what someone else has found. So we end up on a wooden bench outside somewhere (and the weather is not always cooperative) or even worse in a ‘hotel room’ that is so generic that if they didn’t have outside shots leading up to it you wouldn’t know that it was shot in Europe.

I remember watching one movie that was shot in either Hungary or Czech Republic, and in a behind the scenes clip the director and male talent (American) were talking about how stupid a couple of the girls were. They couldn’t even understand directions. Excuse me!!?? The girls were stupid simply because they didn’t understand English very well? That clip was in bad taste, and it lowered my opinion of that particular director and the studio a notch. (No, I am not going to name the director or studio because they have produced some very good stuff. It was just the European shot movies that didn’t fare as well.)

Please don’t misunderstand me. I’m not saying that an American porn company can’t go to Europe and shoot an excellent movie. What I am trying to say is that it is much, much more that simply hopping on an airplane and flying in. It requires a lot of planning, scheduling, and in most cases deep pockets.

Personally, I would like to see Jules Jordan go and do a good European talent movie. But I would want to see it done in the Jules Jordan style, and up to the Jules Jordan standard. So if he stays in America and maintains his standard, I can live with that too.

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Staglianos statement about Eastern European girls has something to it as well. While I like them for their willingness to do it all, you hardly meet a Belladonna, Shyla or Mila in Budapest. Not yet at least.
Still of course porn would be dull without the Buda-flesh.

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I also can't stand dubbing audio into English, over another language, when it doesn't match the lip movement of those talking.

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1. Euro/Foreign talent can be flown in to the USA.

2. Euro/Foreign talent can be used in the same movies with American talent (it's not an either/or situation at all).

An excellent case in point is Jules Jordan's Space Invaderz , which features Jessica, from the Czech Republic, in a video with American girls.

Also don't forget that Shyla and Judy Star are both from Canada. They came to the American porn scene, the American porn scene didn't go to them.

And as far as economics, Euro girls can be flown to America roundtrip for pennies on the dollar compared to the cost of going to Europe to shoot movies with them.

Another point that doesn't make any sense is the notion that it's hard to find American girls who are willing and able to do the kind of sex acts depicted in a typical Jules Jordan video. Such girls are literally all over the place and used extensively throughout the porn Gonzo market. It's just that Jules Jordan doesn't go after them as much as some other directors do (such as, for example, Sub-Vision Film's Slain Waine--I'm sure I'm misspelling his name). But Jules DOES go after fresh girls and he DOES occasionally feature them in his new releases.

BTW, wasn't John Stagliano's classic Buttman's Ultimate Workout shot here in America? Yet it featured two Euro talent who would go on to become worldwide superstars: Zara Whites and Rocco Siffredi!

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I didn't miss the point you made that Euro talent can come to America.

But the thread, the way Manolo stated it and started it was about the director (Jules Jordan) going abroad. That is what I was adressing.

I agree with you as far as the talent, that it doesn't have to be and either/or situation.

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...as if US immigration officers want to hamper our supply with willing Euro-flesh.

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These girls are great examples of Euro girls who are NOT cold at all.
But they do tend to be the exception rather than typical.

As for Jules, I don't want to speak for him. I know he has stated here before that he's not really thinking about going to Europe to shoot, but he will shoot the Euro girls who turn him on when they happen to be here.
Quite a few Euro girls come over for CES, and Jules will be on top of the available talent (maybe literally!)

As for directors shooting in Europe, Evil Angel currently has both Christoph Clark and Rocco Siffredi who shoot almost exclusively in Europe. And John Leslie and John Stagliano go to Europe pretty often to shoot videos.

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And even if he doesn´t find the kind of girls he loves to shoot, at least he deserves a holiday. Visit our beaches, taste the local food, drink guaraná, eat açaí, have some fun.

Just a suggestion, of course.

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I could care less what it says on their passports, is they have it they have it. Lets face it Jules almost always finds girls that have it.

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Here's what the discussion was about:

Posts in threads tend to naturally wander off topic in the same way that a conversation gradually drifts further and further away from the original topic being discussed.

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As for European girls vs. American girls, I think there are plenty of hotties on both sides of the pond. My two cents are that finding good directors is much harder than finding good talent. Think how wonderful it would be if there were more great directors putting those beauties through their paces!

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PS: Being more respectful means "stop talking to others like they're braindead morons, only because this is the Internet". Debating is healthy. Insulting is not. Everyone then speaks according to his/her education and manners.
My *sincere* apologies to DenverDon, who is a delightful and intelligent poster, and I know what you meant, Don.

Edited by - Sbando Boy on 10/7/2002 10:22:46 PM

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Third World countries my arse.

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Edited by - Pontus Maximus on 10/8/2002 11:57:47 PM

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