I'm hearing a lot of rumblings regarding Wicked's desire to sign Keri Sable to a contract. Also heard they want to purge themselves of a few current exclusives and clean up shop. I think with the recent signings of contract girls to Club Jenna and Vivid, they have stolen some of Wicked's thunder. Could this be a PR move or are sales lagging?
I can't see them getting rid of Stormy or Jessica Drake because of the sales their flicks generate. So who does that leave on the outside looking in?
Anyone care to start the countdown to Keri's eventual implants?
Kerri Sable should simply continuing doing what she's been doing thus far - that is, making the type of porn that has made her a household name. If she goes Wicked or Vivid, they'll turn her into Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.
Uhg. IF she goes with Wicked under contract, there's no reason to believe she would automatically get implants. This is one of the things I really like about Wicked. Stephanie Swift never got them. Kaylani Lei hasn't gotten them. It seems to me that Wicked probably lets the girls make up their own mind, so IF she got implants it would be because she wanted to.
I mean... I don't know. I don't know how Wicked actually does things, but enough with the feature company bashing already. I really like Wicked for a lot of reasons, and one of them is their line up of contract girls--who seem to me to be intelligent, down to earth, approchable, and wonderfully un-plasticized.
I'm not a huge Keri Sable fan myself, but if Wicked deemed her worthy of a contract...I'd watch her. And I'd certainly congratulate her on her good fortune.
whos to say that if/when Keri Sable (or any other Gonzo turned contract girl) will stop doin what she's still doin to this day ..MAYBE!!!! the contract companies will add this to their line up of movies because it brings in the viewers who like her stuff.....
Has any one seen a Teagan film from DP yet ? Was it bad ? or is she still doin her thing from the gonzo era ?
I don't think gonzo turns you into a household name, and Keri Sable is hardly that. Girls seek out contracts to become household names that can be attained by working with a Vivid or Wicked type company. In a way, I think in their minds, having a contract legitimizes them because they can be the "flagship" of the company. She may well have won OUR hearts over, but we ADT posters are hardly the average porn fan.
A new survey came out that said 26% of Americans can name at least 1 porn star. How many of those people named gonzo stars like Taylor Rain, Ashley Blue, Katja Kassin or Melissa Lauren? My money's on the Jenna's, Tera's and Savanna's of the world. Contract status=mainstream opportunities, more often then not.
I don't think women seek out contracts to become household names. After a while, when they are no longer new, they are probably offered less per scene in gonzo unless they maintain popularity/sales. Contracts offer stability and advertisement with their names (covers). This certainly helps if they are headlining as a stripper or escorting.
I tend to think Keri's the type to get in, make her dough, and get on to the next thing before her "expiration date" as someone charmingly put it. If she's smart, she can probably finance her college degree with a single gangbang or similar, and just do G/G scenes to tide her over. But it would actualy make sense for her to do a contract deal: You spend more time on the personal appearance circuit than actually having to fuck, and if you can swing it there's probably a lot of merchandising potential. But she's all of 19, tops. I can't tell how much she really enjoys her scenes, but she's got the wild luxury of being a "contract girl" in a gonzo world, which can't help but work to her advantage when her agent negotiates. She is boxcover gold. She's one of the very few who can do just about anything she feels like in porn because she's got that "glamorous" look to her. I mean, in my heart of hearts, I'd prefer someone more womanly like Katrina Kraven, but Keri is dead solid perfect as a particular kind of male fantasy chick. I mean, she's perfection -- and those titties, wow! Damn, and booo-ya!
I think your on the $$ skronk, as usual. Personal appearances, signings, toy lines, feature dancing, merchandising, modeling, and a relatively reduced "workload" seems loftier than overworking yourself in the gonzo arena, albeit for perhaps more $. What do you think the financial difference is between a contract girl and a top gonzo girl? It always seems those contracts are multi-year deals and over the long term can be very lucrative. Maybe the directors or performers can shed some light on this?
But how often does Tiffany Mynx work ? If she did the schedule of a Nikita Denise she'd probably have been over exposed years back . It was interesting to see how many gonzo favourites applied to be Vivid girls on the TV series/promo they showed - Ava Devine and Ashley Blue are the two I can remember off hand .
Sorry to go off topic, and apologies if this is a dumb question, but how come the gonzo studios like Red Light District and Anabolic don't have contract girls? Would that be a contradiction of terms or is it a matter of economics?
I've heard a few rumors of Keri signing as well as her getting a set of bolt-ons. I haven't heard anything official from Wicked nor seen anything recent for bolt-ons...
"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling
If this turns out to be true, this my post in advance: I hate these feature companies (with the exception of Club Jenna). I hate how gonzo companies and the gonzo fanbase make these stars for the all natural beauties that they are. Only for feature companies to come along sign them up, butcher and airbrush them almost beyond recognition, tell them not to post on the web and not to do inter-racial etc etc. As for the girls, i totally don't blame them, it's their life and they should look after themselves. Good luck to them.
I reserve my hate for murderers and Paul Ross . For what it's worth I prefer the sex to be in some kind of context instead of couch-101 , so features are my main port of call . Besides , the women are often better looking .
It's a trade off. You get better looking women but boring and uninspired sex scenes. There are just as many "lookers" on the gonzo landscape and they perform 1 hex better.
Uninspired ? Does that mean gonzo's check list fucking is inspired ?! Double stuffings , slapping , fake moaning , and throat fucking don't interest me so boring to me falls down on the other side of the fence I'm afraid . Most of the best looking women I've seen in porn have been in features not gonzo : not surprising since most of the gonzo chicks seem to hanker after a contract . And even the ones who've done both tend to look better in a feature , especially when it's on film (just put that in as Tony-bait ;) . If Keri Sable joins Wicked I might finally see something she's in .
To me, most of the feature girls look plastic and blonde -- not good-looking, but a caricature of good-looking dictated by the lowest common denominator of male comic-book cliches of female beauty.
For better or worse, gonzo plucks 'em fresh as daisies. You're gonna tell me there's ANYONE in features as naturally beautiful as Christie Lee? Anyone as cute and real as Genesis Skye? Anyone as nut-gushingly desirable and toned as Jasmine Byrne?
I think all the feature companies manage to do is scoot their girls off to a better grade of dermatologist.
OK, it's clear we're talking about two different kinds of "features," US vs. Euro.
If you wanna talk about Euro Girls, that's like a third part of the discussion. It's almost like changing the subject. My comments refer only to the gonzo vs. feature market in the US, since the thread is about a gonzo performer perhaps signing with Wicked, a US feature company (whose women are very attractive -- but US feature girls in general are kinda plastic IMO).
You're not gonna find any more beautiful women on the planet than Czech and Hungarian and other Eastern and former Soviet Bloc nationalities. Case closed.
::sigh:: (Not spekaing as a moderator here... just a guy who's a little frustrated. )
Doesn't anyone have anything positive to say around here anymore? It's been such a downer around these parts lately.
Obviously, the guys who hate the feature companies shouldn't watch them... and if you think that there won't be another Keri Sable (or six) knockin' down the gonzo door in another month, you're sadly mistaken.
Is it really such a hugantious loss to see a popular gonzo girl sucked into a world of a little less demanding work, and a little more steady income? Even if the all-sex, double anal gangbangs might pay her more in the long run, not every girl has the same goals in the industry, I'd imagine.
I certainly can't argue with the fact that I'd love to see the feature companies take a few more risks, and actually try to direct some better sex scenes. I can't argue that some of the American feature companies manage to ruin the appeal of some of their girls (for me mind you), but ehh... that's ok. I don't think Wicked is one of those companies, and even if they were, they certainly have an audience that far outreaches the somewhat narrow ADT community, just as Red Light and Evil Angel has their own audiences.
I'm talking too much. I know. I just wish that people could concentrate on more positive (or at the very least, constructive) things to say, rather than constantly complaining all the time about this or that. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way. In which case, I certainy apologize.
Anyway, I'm not targetting anyone in particular. Just a general frustration I've been feeling of late--not that I've contributed much in the way of helping matters, I guess. :)
Ok... on with the thread. I've ranted enough for now.
I'm all for negativity, but repetitive and inaccurate negativity can be a drag. Wicked in particular does not have a tradition of signing only blonde clones (let's see... Devinn Lane, Sydnee Steele, Kaylani Lei, Stephanie Swift, Temptress...) or any history with implants (those who arrived natural all stayed that way, if I'm not mistaken).
I wouldn't exactly say "quit your bitching", but I do think that most of the constant feature-bashing is both tedious and wrong.
All I'm trying to say is that for the US porn industry, gonzo generally does a better job presenting real girls and women, while the feature side tends to gild the lily.
Lee wants to bring in European feature productions, which I think becomes a different discussion. Euro Girls are nearly always flat-out fashion model gorgeous, but usually give brain dead performances. American girls may be more girl next door types, but are more fun to watch (for me). The problem with features usually is they make the girls look fake and the sex is boring to watch. But that's JUST ME.
The best solution are US productions and Rocco/Christoph productions that take the gorgeous Euro girls (Lilianne Tiger, elen saint, Angel Dark, etc,) and unleash the passion. Features DO foreground the females in a way that gonzo doesn't (thanks to the dreaded "man blanket" effect), so a really beautiful actress probably has her ego catered to a bit more blatantly ...
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Posted - Apr 2 2005 : 8:09PM
re: proposed implants for Keri I can't remember where I heard or saw this, but I could swear that Keri said she originally wanted implants, but is very happy she didn't do it. Her body, as is, creates an immediate hormonal reaction in most men. Anybody that would mess with that is insane. As far as the sex scenes she's been doing vs. feature, I think Keri's been expanding her personal experience up to now. She seems to be doing what she really wants to at the moment. I don't have any doubts that she can garner a contract, and probably will. Let's enjoy her while we have her. As a side note, the gonzo world has a larger cross section of attractiveness. There are stunning beauties and some plain looking women. Some of the most sex positive performers with the largest appetites are not glamorous looking. Feature's loss and gonzo's gain. If we want to count the Euros, there are some awfully gorgeous women doing gonzo in Europe. I don't know anything about feature contract girls there, but if they're better looking than Angel Dark, Simony and Jane Darling to name just three, then I'd be afraid of going blind just looking at them.
In your words is all the truth about porn(USA & Euro).Euro girls are more beautiful but USA girls are more hot(gonzo girls of course)!Do you imagine Flesh Hunter or Ass Worship by Jules(my fav director) full of Euro babes?Fucking amazing!!
None of these things have anything to do with inspiration and I can't imagine what possessed you to even attempt to equate the two.
My point is at least most gonzo performers act like they want to be there and are enjoying what they're doing. They're not a bunch of clock-watching cum-dodgers whose disinterest shows on their faces throughout the entire scene. This definitely doesn't apply to every single contract performer but there are sure a lot more of those on your "side of the fence" than there are on mine.
The girls that do a lot of gonzo work obviously enjoy what they are doing because they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't. And I'm sure the most saught after girls are influenced by other girls about signing contracts, probably because they are told that as a contract girl, they could make more money or just as much, for less film work and still get more exposure. Not many would turn that down I don't think...because usally by that time they've done a lot of work already, so they are willing to "settle down" so to speak. Those that don't sign contracts were probably never interested in signing contracts in the first place, maybe they don't look at a big picture for themselves, I don't know, or they just have fun doing what they do and just don't feel they would want to be controlled under a contract.
Now as far as beautiful girls go, sure Europe has some brainblowingly hot women, but America and Canada does too...to me hot chicks grow on trees, and there are trees all over the world!! But I understand, in general, Euro girls seem "hotter," the accents help that, and because they are so hot and give much hot performances, they are super hot. Did that make sense?
And back to the original thread question...I hope I'm not typing something I shouldn't, but I have recently heard that Keri has in fact signed a contract, but I just haven't heard with exactly which company yet. I just wish her the best whatever she decides to do...she's a really cool girl and incredibly hot!! I just want to continue to see her in the biz, in any movies I can!
Because one sentence follows another doesn't mean they're involved in an intimate relationship . You stated that feature sex was "boring and uninspired" . One sentence dealt with uninspired , the other with boring .
Contract passion vs Gonzo passion ? European vs Ameri ? For my money most porn girls aren't too convincing at faking it , the difference being that American girls tend to be a little more vocal and a little less monotonous in their fakery than their European cousins . Truly convincing performances are few and far between from what I've seen . Though the more relaxed European style is probably more conducive to the accidental and unplanned orgasm than American thrash metal hollering .
Cum dodging ? Again , that doesn't interest me . I know , I'm a bit of a failed porn watcher . Can't remember seeing much disinterest in Wicked features . RLD all sex vids on the other hand ...
Perhaps the problem is that you and I have different ideas of what makes up a good performance ? I'm looking for a connection between the actors - shy smile , involuntary shoulder squeeze , or spontaneous eye contact . The decibels of her 'orgasm' don't make an impression , and neither does her (over?)eagerness to please .
Don't get me wrong , I still enjoy American gonzo from time to time . And there are some foxy ladies in the mix - Ryan Conner's butt for one - but there just seem to be more hotties in the feature playground . As soon as a girl gets noticed in gonzo she'll graduate to features if she's beautiful enough . Example : Tera Patrick (even if her performances aren't all that and a bag of soggy chips) . Many of the popular gonzo girls seem to be looking for a contract , they just can't go on about it for fear of alienating their fan base .
BTW please don't judge European features based solely on Private releases . That would be like judging American gonzo from just RLD .
If Keri wanted to maximize income she should sign a contract for a dozen or so videos a year and spend the rest of the time feature dancing. What the contract pays is irrelevant - it's just advertising as part of a stripping "career".
Shooting gonzo full-tilt might get more pay at first compared to dancing as a relative unknown (although she ought to be able to play off the Paris Hilton look pretty effectively) but it puts a lot of mile on the chassis very quickly and not all of the girls can physically take being pounded by the meatpuppets day in and day out (see Amee Donovan and others). She should shoot just enough gonzo to get a contract, and to get name/face recognition on the dance circuit, and then back away from the porn shoot wear & tear in favor of feature dancing.